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F0x_Agg

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Jan 17, 2024, 7:09:31 AM1/17/24
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I`ve been very far away, Dan. VEEEEEERY far away

J. P. Gilliver

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Jan 17, 2024, 9:27:53 AM1/17/24
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In message <65A7C376...@eternal-september.org> at Wed, 17 Jan 2024
14:09:26, F0x_Agg <F0x...@eternal-september.org> writes
>I`ve been very far away, Dan. VEEEEEERY far away
>
At his majesty's pleasure? (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... a series about a grumpy old man who lives in a phone box is unlikely to
have been commissioned these days. 798 episodes later ...

F0x_Agg

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Jan 17, 2024, 11:28:32 AM1/17/24
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"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:

> In message <65A7C376...@eternal-september.org> at Wed, 17 Jan 2024
> 14:09:26, F0x_Agg <F0x...@eternal-september.org> writes
> >I`ve been very far away, Dan. VEEEEEERY far away
> >
> At his majesty's pleasure? (-:

>
What do you mean?

J. P. Gilliver

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Jan 17, 2024, 12:18:00 PM1/17/24
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In message <65A8002B...@eternal-september.org> at Wed, 17 Jan 2024
18:28:28, F0x_Agg <F0x...@eternal-september.org> writes
>
>
>"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
>
>> In message <65A7C376...@eternal-september.org> at Wed, 17 Jan 2024
>> 14:09:26, F0x_Agg <F0x...@eternal-september.org> writes
>> >I`ve been very far away, Dan. VEEEEEERY far away
>> >
>> At his majesty's pleasure? (-:
>
>>
>What do you mean?
[]
It's an expression used in UK ("her majesty's" when appropriate) for
when you've been, er, inside ... (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... behaving morally does not require religious adherence. - The Right Rev
Nigel McCulloch\Bishop of Manchester (Radio Times, 24-30 September 2011

The Bjornsdottirs - Ellenor

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Jan 18, 2024, 1:34:12 AM1/18/24
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 17:10:38 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> In message <65A8002B...@eternal-september.org> at Wed, 17 Jan 2024
> 18:28:28, F0x_Agg <F0x...@eternal-september.org> writes
>>"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
>>> In message <65A7C376...@eternal-september.org> at Wed, 17 Jan
>>> 2024 14:09:26, F0x_Agg <F0x...@eternal-september.org> writes
>>> >I`ve been very far away, Dan. VEEEEEERY far away
>>> At his majesty's pleasure? (-:
>>
>>
>>What do you mean?
> []
> It's an expression used in UK ("her majesty's" when appropriate) for
> when you've been, er, inside ... (-:

Yes. It is a reference to the prison system.

--
Ellenor Bjornsdottir <ze...@umbrellix.net> Pan makes it quite difficult to
set a multi-line signature. Some say it should be that way. Most of those
people already have us on their killfile.

Daniel65

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Jan 18, 2024, 3:07:55 AM1/18/24
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F0x_Agg wrote on 17/1/24 11:09 pm:
> I`ve been very far away, Dan. VEEEEEERY far away
>
Hey, Fox, how come you started a totally new thread rather than
responding to me in your "I'm finally back" thread?? i.e. keeping the
one conversation in the one, ongoing, thread!!
--
Daniel

Julieta Shem

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Jan 18, 2024, 8:51:43 AM1/18/24
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I believe F0x_Agg is coming from a Fidonet-type of conference system.
Subjects tend to get the name of the person they're directing the
message to.

Daniel65

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Jan 19, 2024, 3:38:54 AM1/19/24
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Julieta Shem wrote on 19/1/24 12:51 am:
So how did FOx_Agg's original OP have the Subject of "I'm finally
back"?? Or can he give it a reasonable Subject: because it *IS* the OP??

And I have no idea how a "Fidonet-type of conference system" might
differ from a 'normal' UseNet-type posting!!
--
Daniel

J. P. Gilliver

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Jan 19, 2024, 4:09:15 AM1/19/24
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In message <uodces$32811$1...@dont-email.me> at Fri, 19 Jan 2024 19:38:55,
Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> writes
By messing with the Subject header. That's what JS is suggesting, and it
was quite clear to me - and sounded plausible. I have no idea whether
such systems _do_ (or _might_ do) that; it's probably 30-40 years since
I used a Fidonet system.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

...Every morning is the dawn of a new error...

Andy Burns

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Jan 19, 2024, 4:54:42 AM1/19/24
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J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> Daniel65 writes:
>
>> Julieta Shem wrote:
>>
>>> I believe F0x_Agg is coming from a Fidonet-type of conference system.
>>
>> So how did FOx_Agg's original OP have the Subject of "I'm finally
>> back"?? Or can he give it a reasonable Subject: because it *IS* the OP??
>> And I have no idea how a "Fidonet-type of conference system" might
>> differ from a 'normal' UseNet-type posting!!
>
> By messing with the Subject header. That's what JS is suggesting, and it
> was quite clear to me - and sounded plausible. I have no idea whether
> such systems _do_ (or _might_ do) that; it's probably 30-40 years since
> I used a Fidonet system.

Usually if something's come to usenet from a fidonet gateway, there's a
lot of extra stuff in the headers, I didn't see anything in the O/P.

kyonshi

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Jan 19, 2024, 5:18:22 AM1/19/24
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On 1/19/2024 9:38 AM, Daniel65 wrote:

>
> And I have no idea how a "Fidonet-type of conference system" might
> differ from a 'normal' UseNet-type posting!!

Fidonet is a message network running between different BBSes. It's not
really the same as Usenet, but portals between them exist.

Julieta Shem

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Jan 19, 2024, 8:39:40 AM1/19/24
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That post did not come from a Fidonet gateway, but people who grew up in
such culture might come in here and behave as if they're still using
such system. (Have you ever seen X programmers writing Y? Same thing.)

You can see a bit of the world of Fidonet by joining

news.fidonet.fi

on port 119. Take a look at the group +localchat+ and fetch message

<8$+localchat+@SmapiNNTPd>

There's a post written by

From: Anton Shepelev <unknown@unknown>

and contains a header that says

To: Tommi Koivula

Someone like that could come in here and put that in the subject as a
way of saying --- making sure people who this is directed at. Notice as
well how often people begin the message by stating the name of the
person they're talking to --- or specifying ``All'' somehow.

Blueshirt

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Jan 19, 2024, 10:57:32 AM1/19/24
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You're special... you get to have a thread in your own name! :-)

Daniel65

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Jan 20, 2024, 2:17:44 AM1/20/24
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kyonshi wrote on 19/1/24 9:18 pm:
Someone mentioned using Fidonet 30-40 years ago. I've only been in
UseNet for 28'ish years, so, maybe, I missed it!! ;-P
--
Daniel

Daniel65

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Jan 20, 2024, 2:19:52 AM1/20/24
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Blueshirt wrote on 20/1/24 2:57 am:
AH!! Finally!! You've realised that I AM special, Blueshirt!! ;-P
--
Daniel

Sn!pe

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Jan 20, 2024, 8:26:17 AM1/20/24
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Is this about educational needs? <darfc>

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My pet rock Gordon just is.

Bobbie Sellers

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Jan 20, 2024, 12:01:02 PM1/20/24
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I used Fidonet for a few months but the system was going
out of style and the group I was reading was converted to an Internet
email group that survives to this day. Team Amiga which of course
is not about Spanish speaking lady friends but the famous Commodore
Amiga Computer the most advanced consumer device of the time. The
controlling interest in CBM took it into prolonged bankruptcy to
get as much cash out of it as he could.
And these day TA is about whatever strikes the fancy of the users
including lately new developements in batteries, astrophysical
discoveries, discoveries of prehistory and the curious politics of the
American Democracy.
Commodore was responsible for the Commodore 64 which turned out to
be the single best sellilng computer model built in the 1980s.
The price had something to do with that.

bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.01- Linux 6.5.13- Plasma 5.27.10

Daniel65

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Jan 21, 2024, 3:14:50 AM1/21/24
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Sn!pe wrote on 21/1/24 12:26 am:
> Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Blueshirt wrote on 20/1/24 2:57 am:
>>> Daniel65 wrote:
>>>> F0x_Agg wrote on 17/1/24 11:09 pm:
>>>>> I`ve been very far away, Dan. VEEEEEERY far away
>>>>>
>>>> Hey, Fox, how come you started a totally new thread rather than
>>>> responding to me in your "I'm finally back" thread?? i.e. keeping
>>>> the one conversation in the one, ongoing, thread!!
>>>
>>> You're special... you get to have a thread in your own name! :-)
>>>
>> AH!! Finally!! You've realised that I AM special, Blueshirt!! ;-P
>
> Is this about educational needs? <darfc>
>
AH!! NO!
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Daniel

F0x_Agg

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Jan 22, 2024, 2:22:02 PM1/22/24
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Julieta Shem wrote:

> Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
>
> > F0x_Agg wrote on 17/1/24 11:09 pm:
> >> I`ve been very far away, Dan. VEEEEEERY far away
> >>
> > Hey, Fox, how come you started a totally new thread rather than
> > responding to me in your "I'm finally back" thread?? i.e. keeping the
> > one conversation in the one, ongoing, thread!!

> using Netscape Communicator and it has a newsgroups thingymanjaro,
sometimes it gives me an "Too many quoted messages error", so I start a new
thread

Julieta Shem

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Jan 22, 2024, 4:37:43 PM1/22/24
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F0x_Agg <F0x...@eternal-september.org> writes:

> Julieta Shem wrote:
>
>> Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
>>
>> > F0x_Agg wrote on 17/1/24 11:09 pm:
>> >> I`ve been very far away, Dan. VEEEEEERY far away
>> >>
>> > Hey, Fox, how come you started a totally new thread rather than
>> > responding to me in your "I'm finally back" thread?? i.e. keeping the
>> > one conversation in the one, ongoing, thread!!
>
>> using Netscape Communicator and it has a newsgroups thingymanjaro,

> sometimes it gives me an "Too many quoted messages error", so I start
> a new thread

So, that's the answer after all. :-)

F0x_Agg

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Jan 22, 2024, 4:40:24 PM1/22/24
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> yeap


Daniel65

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Jan 23, 2024, 3:12:14 AM1/23/24
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Hey, FOx_Agg, your User-Agent shows as 'Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U)'
which, I think, was for Mozilla Suite rather than a Netscape
Communicator version, but WHATEVER .....

It could be about time you updated you application, whatever it is!!
.... https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ maybe.
--
Daniel

Julieta Shem

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Jan 23, 2024, 7:11:02 AM1/23/24
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Daniel65 <dani...@nomail.afraid.org> writes:

[...]

> Hey, FOx_Agg, your User-Agent shows as 'Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U)'
> which, I think, was for Mozilla Suite rather than a Netscape
> Communicator version, but WHATEVER .....
>
> It could be about time you updated you application, whatever it is!!
> .... https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ maybe.

Leave the past alone. :-)

F0x_Agg

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Jan 23, 2024, 11:08:38 AM1/23/24
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> Welp i have seamonkey, but i love using old clients, because the old
net is awesome. Right now I`m writing from Retrozilla lol
OLD INTERNET RULZ!!!!

Julieta Shem

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Jan 23, 2024, 12:31:35 PM1/23/24
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Lol. Enjoy yourself.

F0x_Agg

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Jan 23, 2024, 2:12:40 PM1/23/24
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> Thanks, Julieta

Daniel65

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Jan 23, 2024, 11:26:55 PM1/23/24
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But, if you believe those that know more than me, by continuing to use
those 'old clients', you are leaving yourself open to the naughty boys
of the Net!!
--
Daniel

F0x_Agg

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Jan 24, 2024, 4:29:19 AM1/24/24
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What do you mean?

Blueshirt

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Jan 24, 2024, 5:46:12 AM1/24/24
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IF being the operative word of course. People say a lot of things on
Usenet...

Sn!pe

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Jan 24, 2024, 7:18:13 AM1/24/24
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The best defense against malicious payloads in Usenet is to use plain
text rather than HTML. I learned this 25 years ago when I fell victim
to malware carried by an HTML Usenet post (a novelty in those days)
read using MS Outlook Express (aka Outpuke Excrete). [spit]

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook_Express#Security_issues>

Other outdated clients have their own vulnerabilities, of course. It's
very important to keep your Internet accessing software up to date,
it's still the Wild West out there.

F0x_Agg

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Jan 24, 2024, 2:26:02 PM1/24/24
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Retrozilla came out in 2019, wdym?)

Bobbie Sellers

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Jan 24, 2024, 3:22:02 PM1/24/24
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Is it recieving regular security updates?
If is NOT then it is not secure.
Really old clients are just what the malware writers love.

bliss

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Sn!pe

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Jan 24, 2024, 6:23:43 PM1/24/24
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I know nothing of Retrozilla; if you're content with it, good for you.
My story about OE was just for illustration.

It's true though that almost all mainstream browsers have had many
security updates in the last five years.

Daniel65

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Jan 25, 2024, 3:18:10 AM1/25/24
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F0x_Agg wrote on 24/1/24 8:29 pm:
If a program is absolutely perfect, there would be no need to release
Updates. *EVER* But there *ARE* updates issued so things must not be
perfect!!

As others have posted .....

Quote from Sn!pe
Other outdated clients have their own vulnerabilities, of course. It's
very important to keep your Internet accessing software up to date,
it's still the Wild West out there.
End Quote

Quote from Bobbie
Is it receiving regular security updates?
If is NOT then it is not secure.
Really old clients are just what the malware writers love.
End Quote.

--
Daniel

Daniel65

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Jan 25, 2024, 3:25:14 AM1/25/24
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Bobbie Sellers wrote on 25/1/24 7:22 am:
Did you forget the old English Comprehension/Spelling rule, Bobbie??

'i' before 'e' *unless* after 'c'!! ;-P

> If is NOT then it is not secure.> Really old clients are just what
> the malware writers love.
>
> bliss
>
--
Daniel

Andy Burns

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Jan 25, 2024, 4:54:17 AM1/25/24
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Daniel65 wrote:

> Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
>> Is it recieving regular security updates?
>
> Did you forget the old English Comprehension/Spelling rule, Bobbie??
> 'i' before 'e' *unless* after 'c'!! ;-P

"i" before "e", except after "c", when the sound is "ee"
add further exceptions to taste ...

J. P. Gilliver

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Jan 25, 2024, 6:02:03 AM1/25/24
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In message <uotb47$28k7u$1...@andyburns.eternal-september.org> at Thu, 25
Jan 2024 09:54:16, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> writes
THANK YOU for adding that part! So many people only know the first part.
It's of course still not foolproof - after all, this _is_ English we're
talking about - but adding that bit eliminates a _lot_ of the remaining
exceptions. What remains are mostly very old words like weird, and
placenames.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Does Barbie come with Ken?"
"Barbie comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken." - anonymous

F0x_Agg

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Jan 25, 2024, 7:47:03 AM1/25/24
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Welp..i dont really care what browser to choose, I really love old stuff
and REVIVED old stuff such as Protoweb, PhoenixIM/Iwarg (AOL Revival),
KICQ (Russian ICQ/QIP Revival), SpaceHey (old MySpace Revival), etc:)

Blueshirt

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Jan 25, 2024, 9:48:35 AM1/25/24
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F0x_Agg wrote:

> >
> I really love old stuff

We all do! After all, we are still on Usenet aren't we?! ;-)

F0x_Agg

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Jan 25, 2024, 11:20:34 AM1/25/24
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YEAP! :-)

Bobbie Sellers

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Jan 25, 2024, 12:16:44 PM1/25/24
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Or course my mispelling is the most important information you
have to convey. <https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1>

Bobbie Sellers

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Jan 25, 2024, 12:18:54 PM1/25/24
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Well I am 86 and spelling is hard for dyslexics and
since I am dyspraxic as well you are lucky I don't just leave
in all my errors but then you could not figure out what is
going on at all

Daniel65

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Jan 26, 2024, 3:13:04 AM1/26/24
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Andy Burns wrote on 25/1/24 8:54 pm:
Ah!! Exceptions!! Who needs them?? ;-P
--
Daniel

Daniel65

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Jan 26, 2024, 3:16:23 AM1/26/24
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Bobbie Sellers wrote on 26/1/24 4:18 am:
Hey, I know I look soooo intelligent, but I am intelligent enough to
know I *NEED* a Spell-Checker installed and functional! ;-P
--
Daniel

Daniel65

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Jan 26, 2024, 3:20:33 AM1/26/24
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F0x_Agg wrote on 25/1/24 11:46 pm:
> Sn!pe wrote:

<Snip>

>> It's true though that almost all mainstream browsers have had many
>> security updates in the last five years.
> Welp..i dont really care what browser to choose, I really love old
> stuff and REVIVED old stuff such as Protoweb, PhoenixIM/Iwarg (AOL
> Revival), KICQ (Russian ICQ/QIP Revival), SpaceHey (old MySpace
> Revival), etc:)

Umm! What's the saying I'm looking for?? Oh!! Yeah!

"Buyer Beware."
--
Daniel

F0x_Agg

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Jan 26, 2024, 6:10:22 AM1/26/24
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Huh? What did i done wrong again?? Hm? That I`m Russian? HM?!

Bobbie Sellers

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Jan 26, 2024, 12:18:17 PM1/26/24
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So do i have a spell-checker installed but nothing is perfect
except you of course.

bliss

Daniel65

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Jan 27, 2024, 2:44:01 AM1/27/24
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Bobbie Sellers wrote on 27/1/24 4:18 am:
Been there, Done that!! ;-( One day I might learn that if the
Spell-Checker THINKS I've mis-spelt a word, the Spell-Checker *MIGHT*
just be correct, too!!
--
Daniel
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