Dangers to children

[Bobbie Sellers]

Hi readers and typers,

Drag Queens, Transgender people and generally LBGTQ+ people are tokens
used in a Cultural War by the Republican Party Far Right Wingers
who claim that sexual and gender minorities are a all child abusers but
here is a bit about who is committing crimes again children and
women.

<https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/2/2221200/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-50>

It is a pretty long list of recent sexual crimes.

bliss

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[Sn!pe]

Are you trying to engage this peaceful group in your "Cultural War"?
If so, I'll mark this thread as to be ignored.

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[Adam H. Kerman]

gawd you are an obnoxious fuckhead.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-library-admits-registered-child-sex-offender-participated-in-drag-queen-storytime/285-becf3a0d-56c5-4f3c-96df-add07bbd002a

https://thebridgehead.ca/2022/07/04/drag-queen-who-danced-for-kids-charged-with-25-counts-of-child-pornography/

There are lots and lots of examples of violent people and other bad actors
out there who should simply never be in a position of authority over children.

Is it truly important to you that there is some sort of proportionality
here, or are there violent people and predators who take advantage of
this brand new thing about presenting drag performance as acceptable
entertainment for children who then appear in drag?

Does it matter?

Sometimes one's hackles are raised around strangers. It's not because
they are different but because, subconsciously, our evolved instict is
telling us that they are potentially dangerous. Sometimes we do indeed
need to listen to instinct and not be told our concerns are entirely
invalid.

The problem is that we see people who are given authority over children
because they are said to be helpful -- teachers, doctors, ministers,
relatives, adult friends, bosses -- and we ignore the instinct that's
picked up on danger, or we find it inconvenient to listen to the child
who complained of "bad touch" or having been kissed, or worse.

But you insisting that we set aside instinct because it's suddenly
normalized that a drag queen entertains children? That if the drag queen
makes the child's mother uncomfortable, it's absolutely because the
mother is unreasonably transphobic and not because she believes her
child might be harmed by this person if in a position to do so?

Your position is dangerous.

You've been around Usenet for quite some time. This trolling of yours is
somewhat new. For some reason, I ignored my own instincts upon first
encountering you.

[Bobbie Sellers]

On 2/3/24 12:43, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Bobbie Sellers <blissInSa...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi readers and typers,
>
>> Drag Queens, Transgender people and generally LBGTQ+ people are tokens
>> used in a Cultural War by the Republican Party Far Right Wingers

>> who claim that sexual and gender minorities are all child abusers but

>> here is a bit about who is committing crimes again children and
>> women.
>
>> <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/2/2221200/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-50>
>
>> It is a pretty long list of recent sexual crimes.
>
> gawd you are an obnoxious fuckhead.

Aw are you sweet on me, seamus.
>
> https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-library-admits-registered-child-sex-offender-participated-in-drag-queen-storytime/285-becf3a0d-56c5-4f3c-96df-add07bbd002a

That would demand a review of the people who decided to use this
person.
>
> https://thebridgehead.ca/2022/07/04/drag-queen-who-danced-for-kids-charged-with-25-counts-of-child-pornography/

When the idiot is convicted let me know. I remember a prominent
local photographer who with parental permission did work with nude
children and the locals filed similar charges which were ultimately
dismissed but that incident was before the Internet and Usenet existed
and we only read about it locally when Newspaper were still cheap.

>
> There are lots and lots of examples of violent people and other bad actors
> out there who should simply never be in a position of authority over children.
>
> Is it truly important to you that there is some sort of proportionality
> here, or are there violent people and predators who take advantage of
> this brand new thing about presenting drag performance as acceptable
> entertainment for children who then appear in drag?
>
> Does it matter?
>
> Sometimes one's hackles are raised around strangers. It's not because
> they are different but because, subconsciously, our evolved instict is
> telling us that they are potentially dangerous. Sometimes we do indeed
> need to listen to instinct and not be told our concerns are entirely
> invalid.

Strangers are not the only danger and mothers are not
free of strange twisted desires. Fathers, brother, and sisters
are capable of vile acts.

>
> The problem is that we see people who are given authority over children
> because they are said to be helpful -- teachers, doctors, ministers,
> relatives, adult friends, bosses -- and we ignore the instinct that's
> picked up on danger, or we find it inconvenient to listen to the child
> who complained of "bad touch" or having been kissed, or worse.
>
> But you insisting that we set aside instinct because it's suddenly
> normalized that a drag queen entertains children? That if the drag queen
> makes the child's mother uncomfortable, it's absolutely because the
> mother is unreasonably transphobic and not because she believes her
> child might be harmed by this person if in a position to do so?

Suddenly is not the case this has been going on for year
and it is someone in drag reading a book to children and generally
the book is totally innocuous. If accusations made to rile up a
very conservative and largely ignorant base point to drag queens
it is better to look at whoever is pointing and seeing what the
pointer is trying to distract your attention from.

>
> Your position is dangerous.

Living dangerously is part of freedom.

>
> You've been around Usenet for quite some time. This trolling of yours is
> somewhat new. For some reason, I ignored my own instincts upon first
> encountering you.

This is not trolling. This is a talk group and I don't even
cross-post this to other talk groups

Read the article. You may not think that dangers to children
are important but I who am childless, do think so and the directions
the dangers are coming from are not being accurately represented in
many media. That is because in my 86 years, mostly before finding
Usenet I met abusers and victims. The abusers were seldom prosecuted
because the victims were embarassed by the incindents. I heard
brothers brag about incestous connection and young women crying about
similar scenarios.

But go ahead and spread your lies as you please. You will
be judged on what comes out of your mouth or what you do not on
reading uncomfortable material which you did not take a look at.

bliss

[Bobbie Sellers]

On 2/3/24 11:47, Sn!pe wrote:
> Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi readers and typers,
>>
>> Drag Queens, Transgender people and generally LBGTQ+ people are
>> tokens used in a Cultural War by the Republican Party Far Right Wingers

>> who claim that sexual and gender minorities are all child abusers but

>> here is a bit about who is committing crimes again children and women.
>>
>> <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/2/2221200/-Republican-Sexual-Pred
>> ators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-50>
>>
>> It is a pretty long list of recent sexual crimes.
>>
>> bliss
>>
>
> Are you trying to engage this peaceful group in your "Cultural War"?
> If so, I'll mark this thread as to be ignored.
>

Now I am trying to spread very useful information to what I
presume are people concered with the welfare of their children. This
is also defense for people victimised by the cultural war the Republican
Party has chosen to wage against minorities.

In my opinion only abusers are against the spread of accurate
information about child abuse of all sorts sexual as well as emotional
and physical. They generally decry sexual education for children as
it will make the seduction of the innocent even harder. And it will
tell the children to report to authorities people who misuse them.

If this makes you uncomfortable by all means ignore the
posts and replies.

bliss
--

[Sn!pe]

Bobbie Sellers <bliss-...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> This is not trolling.

YMMV

[Adam H. Kerman]

Bobbie Sellers <blissInSa...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

>>. . .

> Now I am trying to spread very useful information to what I
>presume are people concered with the welfare of their children.

'Cuz Sn!pe's kids were likely to encounter those paedophile ministers?

Are you sure your arm is long enough to pat yourself on the back?

>This is also defense for people victimised by the cultural war the
>Republican Party has chosen to wage against minorities.

Did they ask you to defend them?

> In my opinion only abusers are against the spread of accurate
>information about child abuse of all sorts sexual as well as emotional

>and physical. . . .

Congratulations on your self-declared victory.

[Sn!pe]

86 y.o. or not, IMHO it's trolling. It plainly shows the signs,
particularly the combative circular argumentation. Possibly it is
arguing from a position of firmly held conviction but it's still
trolling. Also, it's exceptionally boring and out of place.

5 cents.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Bobbie Sellers <blissInSa...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>On 2/3/24 12:43, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Bobbie Sellers <blissInSa...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

>>> Hi readers and typers,

>>> Drag Queens, Transgender people and generally LBGTQ+ people are tokens
>>>used in a Cultural War by the Republican Party Far Right Wingers
>>>who claim that sexual and gender minorities are all child abusers but
>>>here is a bit about who is committing crimes again children and
>>>women.

>>>https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/2/2221200/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-50

>>> It is a pretty long list of recent sexual crimes.

>>gawd you are an obnoxious fuckhead.

> Aw are you sweet on me, seamus.

>>https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-library-admits-registered-child-sex-offender-participated-in-drag-queen-storytime/285-becf3a0d-56c5-4f3c-96df-add07bbd002a

> That would demand a review of the people who decided to use this
>person.

I'm demanding a review of someone who ignores the implications that
there's no need to consider potential harm and that any objections can
just be ignored as transphobia.

>>https://thebridgehead.ca/2022/07/04/drag-queen-who-danced-for-kids-charged-with-25-counts-of-child-pornography/

> When the idiot is convicted let me know. I remember a prominent
>local photographer who with parental permission did work with nude
>children and the locals filed similar charges which were ultimately
>dismissed but that incident was before the Internet and Usenet existed
>and we only read about it locally when Newspaper were still cheap.

>>There are lots and lots of examples of violent people and other bad
>>actors out there who should simply never be in a position of authority
>>over children.

>>Is it truly important to you that there is some sort of proportionality
>>here, or are there violent people and predators who take advantage of
>>this brand new thing about presenting drag performance as acceptable
>>entertainment for children who then appear in drag?

>>Does it matter?

>>Sometimes one's hackles are raised around strangers. It's not because
>>they are different but because, subconsciously, our evolved instict is
>>telling us that they are potentially dangerous. Sometimes we do indeed
>>need to listen to instinct and not be told our concerns are entirely
>>invalid.

> Strangers are not the only danger and mothers are not
>free of strange twisted desires. Fathers, brother, and sisters
>are capable of vile acts.

I didn't limit my comment to strangers. In fact, if you had all the way
to the next paragraph, you might have noticed it.

I do note that you completely ducked the question.

Quack quack quack quack quack quack quack

>>The problem is that we see people who are given authority over children
>>because they are said to be helpful -- teachers, doctors, ministers,
>>relatives, adult friends, bosses -- and we ignore the instinct that's
>>picked up on danger, or we find it inconvenient to listen to the child
>>who complained of "bad touch" or having been kissed, or worse.

>>But you insisting that we set aside instinct because it's suddenly
>>normalized that a drag queen entertains children? That if the drag queen
>>makes the child's mother uncomfortable, it's absolutely because the
>>mother is unreasonably transphobic and not because she believes her
>>child might be harmed by this person if in a position to do so?

> Suddenly is not the case this has been going on for year
>and it is someone in drag reading a book to children and generally
>the book is totally innocuous.

"Suddenly" over centuries of humanity and what is considered to be
acceptable as children's entertainment, not "suddenly" as in "since last
Tuesday"

>If accusations made to rile up a very conservative and largely ignorant
>base point to drag queens it is better to look at whoever is pointing
>and seeing what the pointer is trying to distract your attention from.

The issue is what's appropriate entertainment for children, which you
have successfully been distracted from by rhetoric. You are no different
than the people you feel so superior toward.

>>Your position is dangerous.

> Living dangerously is part of freedom.

This isn't a decision a child makes for himself.

>>You've been around Usenet for quite some time. This trolling of yours is
>>somewhat new. For some reason, I ignored my own instincts upon first
>>encountering you.

> This is not trolling. This is a talk group and I don't even
>cross-post this to other talk groups

You don't talk. You don't want to have a discussion. If you did, you'd
have started a converation om pretty much anythng else.

> Read the article. You may not think that dangers to children
>are important

I do think there are people who are dangerous to children. You're the
one who thinks certain people aren't possibly dangerous for political reasons.

The rest snipped unread as you deliberately misrepresented my position.

[Daniel65]

Sn!pe wrote on 4/2/24 12:16 pm:

> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

<Snip>

> trolling. Also, it's exceptionally boring and out of place.
>
> 5 cents.
>

I thought it was 2c!! I guess inflation has hit thinking, too!!
--
Daniel

[Borax Man]

I have children, I'm going to put my instinct above those who
are serving a faction of a culture war who want to discard the
lessons learned over centuries.