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Adam H. Kerman
Feb 5, 2024, 1:30:59 PM2/5/24
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I don't expect anybody to do anything. If you were going to do
something, I have no idea what it might be.
I've pointed out in other threads that Giganews does not prevent one of
its users from committing a specific type of abuse. The user is Ubi the
shithead. The abuse involves re-injection of an article written by
someone else with all headers intact but with a change in crosspost. The
article is re-injected with a new Message-ID but it's always a variation
on the original Message-ID.
Because the headers are intact, the injection headers the orginal
article are preloaded. This is nonstandard but Giganews does not prevent
this.
Path is a real header from Giganews. Comparing to the Path header, it's
quite obvious that the injection headers were preloaded.
I didn't write these.
Message-ID: <Upeapd$1m4u2$1...@dont-email.me>
Message-ID: <Upb4un$11qrb$1...@dont-email.me>
Note that the Message-IDs created by Ubi the shithead use Ray's domain
name without permission.
In recent past, one of you had to adjust filters because Ubi the
shitheads antics versus another user lead to a false positive NoCeM,
given two articles with identical bodies but different Message-IDs.
I have had zero success over the years trying to get Giganews to TOS
their user committing abuse through their News site. I've filed abuse
reports when other people were forged. I've filed abuse reports when
I've been forged. Giganews will not crack down on this kind of targeted
abuse committed through their News site.
I've never noticed that Giganews was any major source of spam, so I
don't expect the Google Groups spammers to pay for Giganews accounts to
substitute for the loss of Google Groups.
This is a different kind of abuse.
something, I have no idea what it might be.
I've pointed out in other threads that Giganews does not prevent one of
its users from committing a specific type of abuse. The user is Ubi the
shithead. The abuse involves re-injection of an article written by
someone else with all headers intact but with a change in crosspost. The
article is re-injected with a new Message-ID but it's always a variation
on the original Message-ID.
Because the headers are intact, the injection headers the orginal
article are preloaded. This is nonstandard but Giganews does not prevent
this.
Path is a real header from Giganews. Comparing to the Path header, it's
quite obvious that the injection headers were preloaded.
I didn't write these.
Message-ID: <Upeapd$1m4u2$1...@dont-email.me>
Message-ID: <Upb4un$11qrb$1...@dont-email.me>
Note that the Message-IDs created by Ubi the shithead use Ray's domain
name without permission.
In recent past, one of you had to adjust filters because Ubi the
shitheads antics versus another user lead to a false positive NoCeM,
given two articles with identical bodies but different Message-IDs.
I have had zero success over the years trying to get Giganews to TOS
their user committing abuse through their News site. I've filed abuse
reports when other people were forged. I've filed abuse reports when
I've been forged. Giganews will not crack down on this kind of targeted
abuse committed through their News site.
I've never noticed that Giganews was any major source of spam, so I
don't expect the Google Groups spammers to pay for Giganews accounts to
substitute for the loss of Google Groups.
This is a different kind of abuse.
Sn!pe
Feb 5, 2024, 1:54:25 PM2/5/24
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Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
[...]
> This is a different kind of abuse.
Bizarre.
I presume it's just so he can attribute words and opinions to you
that you don't agree with? He's going to a lot of trouble.
--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator
My pet rock Gordon says:
The first duty of government is defence of the realm.
[...]
> This is a different kind of abuse.
I presume it's just so he can attribute words and opinions to you
that you don't agree with? He's going to a lot of trouble.
--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator
My pet rock Gordon says:
The first duty of government is defence of the realm.
suzeeq
Feb 5, 2024, 2:04:30 PM2/5/24
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On 2/5/2024 10:54 AM, Sn!pe wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> This is a different kind of abuse.
>
> Bizarre.
>
> I presume it's just so he can attribute words and opinions to you
> that you don't agree with? He's going to a lot of trouble.
>
He truly deserves the name shithead.
> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> This is a different kind of abuse.
>
> Bizarre.
>
> I presume it's just so he can attribute words and opinions to you
> that you don't agree with? He's going to a lot of trouble.
>
Adam H. Kerman
Feb 5, 2024, 2:40:50 PM2/5/24
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Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>[...]
>>This is a different kind of abuse.
>Bizarre.
>I presume it's just so he can attribute words and opinions to you
>that you don't agree with? He's going to a lot of trouble.
He literally reposted two of my articles. He didn't change my words. He
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>[...]
>>This is a different kind of abuse.
>Bizarre.
>I presume it's just so he can attribute words and opinions to you
>that you don't agree with? He's going to a lot of trouble.
changed the crosspost. Generally, I don't crosspost.
He's been doing this for over a decade against various people. It's
abuse. Giganews has never prevented this.
It's not just forgery but nonstandard due to preloaded injection
headers, but Giganews isn't using a News server that implements
compliance with that standard.
I wish Giganews took it seriously but they don't. He should have been
TOSsed the first time he did this over a decade ago, but he wasn't.
Sn!pe
Feb 5, 2024, 3:13:38 PM2/5/24
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Adam H. Kerman
Feb 5, 2024, 3:50:23 PM2/5/24
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Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>[...]
>>>>This is a different kind of abuse.
>>>Bizarre.
>>>I presume it's just so he can attribute words and opinions to you
>>>that you don't agree with? He's going to a lot of trouble.
>>He literally reposted two of my articles. He didn't change my words. He
>>changed the crosspost. Generally, I don't crosspost.
>>He's been doing this for over a decade against various people. It's
>>abuse. Giganews has never prevented this.
>>It's not just forgery but nonstandard due to preloaded injection
>>headers, but Giganews isn't using a News server that implements
>>compliance with that standard.
>>I wish Giganews took it seriously but they don't. He should have been
>>TOSsed the first time he did this over a decade ago, but he wasn't.
>What on earth is he trying to achieve? I don't get it.
He's notorious for crossposting in order to drag ongoing flame wars from
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Sn!pe <snip...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>[...]
>>>>This is a different kind of abuse.
>>>Bizarre.
>>>I presume it's just so he can attribute words and opinions to you
>>>that you don't agree with? He's going to a lot of trouble.
>>He literally reposted two of my articles. He didn't change my words. He
>>changed the crosspost. Generally, I don't crosspost.
>>He's been doing this for over a decade against various people. It's
>>abuse. Giganews has never prevented this.
>>It's not just forgery but nonstandard due to preloaded injection
>>headers, but Giganews isn't using a News server that implements
>>compliance with that standard.
>>I wish Giganews took it seriously but they don't. He should have been
>>TOSsed the first time he did this over a decade ago, but he wasn't.
>What on earth is he trying to achieve? I don't get it.
one newsgroup into another. He literally ruined rec.arts.tv.sf with his
crossposting antics and, his other game, redirecting followups using
Followup-To, typically to rec.arts.sf.tv. There are no regulars left in
that newsgroup with any interest in discussing science fiction on
television.
In this instance, I guess he thinks most followups should have been
crossposted to begin with. He's attempting to moderate unmoderated
Usenet. Well, I'm the author. I chose not to crosspost in followup most
of the time. Ubi doesn't approve and pulls this stunt.
But I really don't know.
He's also a technical troll. The purpose of the preloaded injection
headers is to make it appear that the repost had been injected through
the original News site even though it was injected through Giganews.
Sn!pe
Feb 5, 2024, 4:09:29 PM2/5/24
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with one stone - that makes twisted sense.
Ray Banana
Feb 6, 2024, 3:08:39 AM2/6/24
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Thus spake "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com>
> I don't expect anybody to do anything. If you were going to do
> something, I have no idea what it might be.
>
> I've pointed out in other threads that Giganews does not prevent one of
> its users from committing a specific type of abuse. The user is Ubi the
> shithead. The abuse involves re-injection of an article written by
> someone else with all headers intact but with a change in crosspost. The
> article is re-injected with a new Message-ID but it's always a variation
> on the original Message-ID.
>
> Because the headers are intact, the injection headers the orginal
> article are preloaded. This is nonstandard but Giganews does not prevent
> this.
>
> Path is a real header from Giganews. Comparing to the Path header, it's
> quite obvious that the injection headers were preloaded.
>
> I didn't write these.
>
> Message-ID: <Upeapd$1m4u2$1...@dont-email.me>
> Message-ID: <Upb4un$11qrb$1...@dont-email.me>
>
> Note that the Message-IDs created by Ubi the shithead use Ray's domain
> name without permission.
Yes, Giganews is as uncooperative as possible in this respect.
But Ubi is stupid, which allows me to cancel these forgeries as long as
he continues being stupid ;-)
<can.31579.Upeapd$1m4u2$1...@dont-email.me>
<can.393.Upb4un$11qrb$1...@dont-email.me>
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https://www.eternal-september.org
> I don't expect anybody to do anything. If you were going to do
> something, I have no idea what it might be.
>
> I've pointed out in other threads that Giganews does not prevent one of
> its users from committing a specific type of abuse. The user is Ubi the
> shithead. The abuse involves re-injection of an article written by
> someone else with all headers intact but with a change in crosspost. The
> article is re-injected with a new Message-ID but it's always a variation
> on the original Message-ID.
>
> Because the headers are intact, the injection headers the orginal
> article are preloaded. This is nonstandard but Giganews does not prevent
> this.
>
> Path is a real header from Giganews. Comparing to the Path header, it's
> quite obvious that the injection headers were preloaded.
>
> I didn't write these.
>
> Message-ID: <Upeapd$1m4u2$1...@dont-email.me>
> Message-ID: <Upb4un$11qrb$1...@dont-email.me>
>
> Note that the Message-IDs created by Ubi the shithead use Ray's domain
> name without permission.
But Ubi is stupid, which allows me to cancel these forgeries as long as
he continues being stupid ;-)
<can.31579.Upeapd$1m4u2$1...@dont-email.me>
<can.393.Upb4un$11qrb$1...@dont-email.me>
--
Пу́тін — хуйло́
https://www.eternal-september.org
Adam H. Kerman
Feb 6, 2024, 3:29:12 AM2/6/24
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Retro Guy
Feb 6, 2024, 11:31:09 AM2/6/24
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 18:30:57 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> I don't expect anybody to do anything. If you were going to do
> something, I have no idea what it might be.
>
> I've pointed out in other threads that Giganews does not prevent one of
> its users from committing a specific type of abuse. The user is Ubi the
> shithead. The abuse involves re-injection of an article written by
> someone else with all headers intact but with a change in crosspost. The
> article is re-injected with a new Message-ID but it's always a variation
> on the original Message-ID.
>
> Because the headers are intact, the injection headers the orginal
> article are preloaded. This is nonstandard but Giganews does not prevent
> this.
>
> Path is a real header from Giganews. Comparing to the Path header, it's
> quite obvious that the injection headers were preloaded.
I've added a filter for nocem, which "caught" two this morning. Could you
> I don't expect anybody to do anything. If you were going to do
> something, I have no idea what it might be.
>
> I've pointed out in other threads that Giganews does not prevent one of
> its users from committing a specific type of abuse. The user is Ubi the
> shithead. The abuse involves re-injection of an article written by
> someone else with all headers intact but with a change in crosspost. The
> article is re-injected with a new Message-ID but it's always a variation
> on the original Message-ID.
>
> Because the headers are intact, the injection headers the orginal
> article are preloaded. This is nonstandard but Giganews does not prevent
> this.
>
> Path is a real header from Giganews. Comparing to the Path header, it's
> quite obvious that the injection headers were preloaded.
please take a look and see if you feel these are faked (I believe they
are), or if I'm causing false positives:
<n1c435ab-2b9a-419e...@googlegroups.com>
<n1c435ab-2b9a-419e...@googlegroups.com>
It helps to have extra eyes on things in case my brain is off. Thanks!
Retro Guy
Feb 6, 2024, 11:35:25 AM2/6/24
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two of my servers logged it coming in from different directions (peers).
Adam H. Kerman
Feb 6, 2024, 1:22:40 PM2/6/24
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Message-IDs.
From: tmc...@gmail.com
References: <61c435ab-2b9a-419e...@googlegroups.com>
appears on each of them.
In both instances, the preloaded injection headers associated with
Google Groups appear, which is nonstandard as both were re-injected
through Google Groups.
Is it simply possible to filter these by noting the mismatch between
Path and the injection headers, or by comparing article bodies to note
the reinjection?
Adam H. Kerman
Feb 6, 2024, 1:24:21 PM2/6/24
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Retro Guy
Feb 6, 2024, 1:46:14 PM2/6/24
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>>In both instances, the preloaded injection headers associated with
>>Google Groups appear, which is nonstandard as both were re-injected
>>through Google Groups.
>
>>Is it simply possible to filter these by noting the mismatch between
>>Path and the injection headers, or by comparing article bodies to note
>>the reinjection?
filter in place (it will be included in i2pn2 nocems) unless someone
informs me of false positives.
Cloud User
Feb 6, 2024, 1:50:31 PM2/6/24
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On 06/02/2024 08:08, Ray Banana wrote:
>
> But Ubi is stupid, which allows me to cancel these forgeries as long as
> he continues being stupid ;-)
>
>
YOU ARE LIVING IN A Cloud Cuckoo Land. Unilateral decisions rarely
>
> But Ubi is stupid, which allows me to cancel these forgeries as long as
> he continues being stupid ;-)
>
>
solves anything.
sticks
Feb 6, 2024, 2:35:48 PM2/6/24
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NOTE: If you use Google Groups I don't see you,
unless you're whitelisted and that's doubtful.
Adam H. Kerman
Feb 6, 2024, 4:25:08 PM2/6/24
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