A News (NNTP) error occured: NNTP server unavailble. Try later!

[Mike Grantz]

Hi,

Status says its all ok:
http://www.eternal-september.org/serverstatus.php?language=en

But when i try to log in, i get
"A News (NNTP) error occured: NNTP server unavailble. Try later!"

http://www.eternal-september.org/mrtg/news_users_active-day.png

Shows 21 sessions.

Are those internal sessions, or are there users still able to connect?

[Brad Rogers]

On Friday 11 Apr 2014 10:53 in message <li8e22$tf6$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Mike Grantz wrote:

> Are those internal sessions, or are there users still able to connect?

Like you, I currently can't connect to E-S servers. Posting this via 'aioe'

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[Anton Shepelev]

Mike Grantz:

> But when i try to log in, i get
> "A News (NNTP) error occured: NNTP server unavailble. Try later!"

Confirmed:

,----[Sylpheed log:]
| * creating NNTP connection to news.eternal-september.org:119 ...
| [15:16:25] NNTP< 400 NNTP server unavailable. Try later!
`----------------------------------------------------------

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[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:53:08 +0200, Mike Grantz <beat...@rumailia.ru>
wrote:

I got that message once. Everything worked OK when I tried again.

Steve

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[Ed Cryer]

I get the same error message.
I've been trying for the last three hours.

Ed

[Aragorn]

On Friday 11 April 2014 14:27, Ed Cryer conveyed the following to
eternal-september.support...

I had it too, all day today. Seems to be fixed now.

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[Brad Rogers]

On Friday 11 Apr 2014 15:49 in message <li8vdu$87s$1...@dont-email.me>,

Aragorn wrote:

> I had it too, all day today. Seems to be fixed now.

Indeed. Maybe something to do with SSL update due to Heartbleed went
adrift? ATM, probably only Ray knows.

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[Double Derringer]

And now it's three outages in a six-week period, after years of running
more-or-less smoothly with only rare, brief, and widely-separated
incidents.

Anyone *still* want to claim that there hasn't been a noticeable decrease
in e-s's reliability as of early in 2014?

[Fritz]

Am 11.04.14 16:51, schrieb Brad Rogers:

> On Friday 11 Apr 2014 15:49 in message<li8vdu$87s$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> >I had it too, all day today. Seems to be fixed now.
> Indeed. Maybe something to do with SSL update due to Heartbleed went
> adrift? ATM, probably only Ray knows.

I think it's a certificate problem

<https://ssl-tools.net/webservers/news.eternal-september.org>

please read
Message-ID: <534829F4...@alba.fritz-fqdn.dd-dns.de>
sorry - but I post this in German

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[Gene Wirchenko]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:43:25 +0000 (UTC), Double Derringer
<d-der...@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>And now it's three outages in a six-week period, after years of running
>more-or-less smoothly with only rare, brief, and widely-separated
>incidents.
>
>Anyone *still* want to claim that there hasn't been a noticeable decrease
>in e-s's reliability as of early in 2014?

I will. I have had very few problems with ES. I understand that
any service can have problems from time to time. Ray deals with them
fairly quickly.

If I required an absolutely rock-solid USENET service, I would
probably have to pay a lot more. What responsibility are *you* taking
to ensure that your USENET service reliability is at the level you
require?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Adam H. Kerman]

Hi seamus

[Dominic Reich]

* Double Derringer <d-der...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And now it's three outages in a six-week period, after years of running
> more-or-less smoothly with only rare, brief, and widely-separated
> incidents.
>
> Anyone *still* want to claim that there hasn't been a noticeable decrease
> in e-s's reliability as of early in 2014?

I don't want to go down the discussion again that a few had here recently
already, but just want to mention that it sometimes helps to get out on the
fresh air so you wont get mad at a free service that easy (I mean, what's three
hours - I not even noticed the outage).

[Brad Rogers]

On Friday 11 Apr 2014 18:48 in message <53482AD3...@alba.fritz-fqdn.dd-
dns.de>,

Fritz wrote:

> I think it's a certificate problem

That doesn't preclude what I said, though.

However, having thought a bit more about it, as there were also issues when
*not* using SSL, that could well indicate the problem lay elsewhere.

Still, all is working well, and the outage was short-lived.

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[Double Derringer]

Who got mad? Please point to whichever post you think was expressing
anger.

Meanwhile, three outages in six weeks strongly suggests that symptoms
were bandaged three times, while some undetected root cause remains so
far unaddressed.

[Roddy McCorley]

Steve Jobs is still haunting us.

I'm still getting an invalid certificate error.

[Ray Banana]

Thus spake Double Derringer <d-der...@gmail.com>

> Meanwhile, three outages in six weeks strongly suggests that symptoms
> were bandaged three times, while some undetected root cause remains so
> far unaddressed.

Seamus, will you, please, enlighten me regarding the undetected root
cause that could make one hardware box go belly up, cause a fan in
another hardware box in a different location to fail AND inject a
software bug into an open source software library that goes unnoticed
for two years? And how should I address such a creepy root cause?
Nuke the NSA?

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[Siri Crews]

In article <m2ioqf3...@banana.shacknet.nu>,

Ray Banana <ray...@banana.shacknet.nu> wrote:

> Thus spake Double Derringer <d-der...@gmail.com>
>
> > Meanwhile, three outages in six weeks strongly suggests that symptoms
> > were bandaged three times, while some undetected root cause remains so
> > far unaddressed.
>
> Seamus, will you, please, enlighten me regarding the undetected root
> cause that could make one hardware box go belly up, cause a fan in
> another hardware box in a different location to fail AND inject a
> software bug into an open source software library that goes unnoticed
> for two years? And how should I address such a creepy root cause?
> Nuke the NSA?

The Norwegian spiral anomaly is proof that Russia is heavy metal chemtrails to
change electro-magnetic pulses from the inner sun of the hollow Earth to disrupt
electronics in Germany.


Or maybe it's bad luck.

[Icke's razor: When different explanations are equally persuasive, choose the
scariest one.]

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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'

[Double Derringer]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:40:39 +0200, Ray Banana wrote:

> Thus spake Double Derringer <d-der...@gmail.com>
>
>> Meanwhile, three outages in six weeks strongly suggests that symptoms
>> were bandaged three times, while some undetected root cause remains so
>> far unaddressed.
>
> Seamus, will you, please, enlighten me

Why are you calling me "Seamus"? That's not my name.

> regarding the undetected root cause that could make one hardware box go
> belly up, cause a fan in another hardware box in a different location
> to fail

So far, that would suggest a shoddy subcontractor or parts-supplier --
either the organization switched to a new lowest bidder, or the existing
one started cutting corners on quality early this year.

> AND inject a software bug into an open source software library that
> goes unnoticed for two years?

That one's trickier. The fact remains that outages of E-S didn't used to
cluster closely together in time, and now they do, ergo *something*
changed. But the thing here that clustered with the other two wasn't the
software bug's creation. It was the bug suddenly coming to light. So the
common cause would have to have affected computer parts quality and
simultaneously made the bug get someone's attention. The obvious
explanation would be that a security researcher stumbled onto evidence of
the bug while trying to diagnose a third component failure caused
somewhere (not necessarily anywhere related to E-S) by the same new and
shoddy, or else newly-shoddy, hardware vendor.

> And how should I address such a creepy root cause? Nuke the NSA?

Oh, that's just paranoid.

[Barry Margolin]

In article <li9m0l$85u$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Double Derringer <d-der...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That one's trickier. The fact remains that outages of E-S didn't used to
> cluster closely together in time, and now they do, ergo *something*
> changed.

Or ... it's an annoying coincidence.

Not everything has a reason, sometimes shit just happens.

--
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Arlington, MA

[Terje Henriksen]

Especially if psychologists are involved, "testing" someone.

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Kirkenes

[Double Derringer]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:58:37 -0400, Barry Margolin wrote:

> In article <li9m0l$85u$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Double Derringer <d-der...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That one's trickier. The fact remains that outages of E-S didn't used
>> to cluster closely together in time, and now they do, ergo *something*
>> changed.
>
> Or ... it's an annoying coincidence.

No no no no no no no...*Once* is happenstance, *twice* is coincidence.
Three times is enemy action.

> Not everything has a reason, sometimes shit just happens.

I'm also not the only one to notice a drop in E-S reliability of late.
Observe:

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=139732538000

[Double Derringer]

On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 00:08:22 +0000, Lewis wrote:

> In message <li9m0l$85u$1...@speranza.aioe.org>

> Double Derringer <d-der...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:40:39 +0200, Ray Banana wrote:
>
>>> Thus spake Double Derringer <d-der...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, three outages in six weeks strongly suggests that symptoms
>>>> were bandaged three times, while some undetected root cause remains
>>>> so far unaddressed.
>>>
>>> Seamus, will you, please, enlighten me
>
>> Why are you calling me "Seamus"? That's not my name.
>

> You're a troll sockpuppet.

No, I'm not.

> Probably Seamus.

I don't even know who that is.

> No one cares what your name is, you are a troll.

No, I'm not. Why do you think so?

[corroborator]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:32:35 +0000, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Hi seamus

Who is "seamus", Verman? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
alias.

[corroborator]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:40:39 +0200, Ray Banana wrote:

> Seamus, will you, please, enlighten me regarding the undetected root
> cause that could make one hardware box go belly up, cause a fan in
> another hardware box in a different location to fail AND inject a
> software bug into an open source software library that goes unnoticed
> for two years?

Who is "Seamus", Banana? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
alias.

> And how should I address such a creepy root cause? Nuke the NSA?

What does the NSA have to do with Eternal September, Banana?

[corroborator]

On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 00:08:22 +0000, Lewis wrote:

> You're a troll sockpuppet.

What does your unsubstantiated accusation against Double Derringer have
to do with Eternal September, Lewis?

> Probably Seamus.

Who is "Seamus", Lewis? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
alias.

> No one cares what your name is, you are a troll.

Several people seem to care a great deal what his name is, Lewis,
including you, since several people keep calling him "Seamus" and
participating in an argument about what his name is, Lewis, including you.

[Daniel AJ]

Mike Grantz wrote:

> Hi,

> Status says its all ok:
> http://www.eternal-september.org/serverstatus.php?language=en

> But when i try to log in, i get
> "A News (NNTP) error occured: NNTP server unavailble. Try later!"

I'm still having this problem. Is there a fix?Mike Grantz wrote:

[Ray Banana]

Thus spake sok...@gmxdotnet.invalid (Daniel AJ)

This problem was fixed 10 days ago. If you still have problems
connecting to news.eternal-september.org it must be a different
problem. Please provide the detailed error message.

[Daniel AJ]

Ray Banana wrote:

> This problem was fixed 10 days ago. If you still have problems
> connecting to news.eternal-september.org it must be a different
> problem. Please provide the detailed error message.

Thank you for your reply.

Sorry, I had trouble finding meaningful error messages. It still wouldn't
connect for me. Now I have found them:

"news.eternal-september.org:563 verwendet ein ungültiges
Sicherheitszertifikat.

Dem Zertifikat wird nicht vertraut, weil dem Aussteller-Zertifikat nicht
vertraut wird.

(Fehlercode: sec_error_untrusted_issuer)"

It means that the issuer of the server's certificate is not trustworthy,
thus the certificate is regarded as invalid.

I see on the eternal-september Website that the certificate's issuer is
CAcert, which has been removed from Debian distributions for good reason.
Are there any plans to change to a trustworthy issuer? Or should I simply
ignore Eternal September for the time being?

[Ray Banana]

Thus spake sok...@gmxdotnet.invalid (Daniel AJ)

> It means that the issuer of the server's certificate is not
> trustworthy, thus the certificate is regarded as invalid.
>
> I see on the eternal-september Website that the certificate's issuer
> is CAcert, which has been removed from Debian distributions for good
> reason.

Eternal-September has moved from Debian to CentOS two years ago for good
reasons. Your point being? The idea of trusted certificates implies that
the *user* decides whether or not s/he trusts the issuer of a
certificate rather than let Debian/Microsoft/Mozilla/whoever decide who
is trustworthy and who is not.

> Are there any plans to change to a trustworthy issuer?

Eternal-September has changed it's CA from StartSSL to CAcert for good
reasons <veg>

> Or should I simply ignore Eternal September for the time being?

Don't hold your breath while you wait ...

[Daniel AJ]

G. Morgan wrote:

> Who cares if the connection is encrypted on a NNTP server?

I believe that any traffic should be encrypted.

[sticks]

With a strong argument like that, I guess it's all settled then.

[sticks]

On 4/27/2014 7:24 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <ljgjo7$d2a$1...@dont-email.me>

> It's a very strong argument, and he's right, all traffic should be
> encrypted.
>

Wow, first we have an "I believe" and now a "he's right." Two
compelling fact filled persuasive positions. Thanks for clearing that up!

[Ray Banana]

Thus spake sticks <wolve...@charter.net>

One reason for encryting traffic is to avoid sending user ids and
passwords in plain text, as they can be easily intercepted on their way
through the network.
The second reason is to keep the NSA busy as they will have to store all
encrypted traffic for later decryption attempts. Encrypting trivial data
on the internet will considerably increase the noise level for those who
seek to monitor and control all communication on this medium.

However, for encrypting data on an SSL connection, the server
certificate does not necessarily have to be issued by a CA that is
trusted by the Debian or Mozilla project or Microsoft or whoever
consider themselves authoritative sources for the trustworthiness of
CAs. Trustworthy CAs, on the other hand, must make sure their private
keys can not be misused by third parties just like server operators must
make sure their private server keys can not be compromised. The major
security whole opened by the heartbleed bug allowed anyone to retrieve a
server's private key if only they tried hard enough (one to four million
attempts for a single server key).

[c...@isbd.net]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <ljgjo7$d2a$1...@dont-email.me>
> sticks <wolve...@charter.net> wrote:

> It's a very strong argument, and he's right, all traffic should be
> encrypted.
>

Doesn't it follow that we should be carrying on this conversation in a
special 'eternal-september.support' newsgroup language then?

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[sticks]

On 4/28/2014 7:46 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <ljki55$f5e$1...@dont-email.me>

> Well, I could explain why, but your initial posts and follow up lead me
> to expect that would be a waste of my time.

Hey louie, yer crackin' me up here.

> A few seconds on google and a bit or reading those links will educate
> you on the off chance you aren't just a troll.

if it only takes a few seconds, you should of included your reasons in
your post instead of a me too type reply. That was the funny part of
yours and AJ's posts. You make statements of fact, with no meat. Funny
stuff.

>
> Here, I'll even get you started.
>
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=why+should+all+traffic+be+encrypted>

This thread didn't really start out about this. Someone raised the same
point as we have heard in the past about the certificate not being
trusted, even though Ray has answered repeatedly his position on this.
A simple search on this would have found the result. As far as I can
tell, he already offers two encrypted connections for those who want to
go that route.

So, the question is why are you wasting his time with this, or are YOU
just a troll louie?

[Chick Tower]

On 2014-04-28, c...@isbd.net <c...@isbd.net> wrote:
> Doesn't it follow that we should be carrying on this conversation in a
> special 'eternal-september.support' newsgroup language then?

I nominate pig Latin.
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[Chick Tower]

On 2014-04-28, Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> It's a very strong argument, and he's right, all traffic should be
> encrypted.

In fact, so should all messages. That's why
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[Aragorn]

On Sunday 04 May 2014 05:02, Chick Tower conveyed the following to
eternal-september.support...

> On 2014-04-28, c...@isbd.net <c...@isbd.net> wrote:
>> Doesn't it follow that we should be carrying on this conversation in
>> a special 'eternal-september.support' newsgroup language then?
>
> I nominate pig Latin.

I always double-encrypt my messages in ROT-13, just to be sure.

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