Reddit migration

[Pathfinder]

Why not migrate here B-)

Eternal September 2.0, here we go

[Sn!pe]

Pathfinder <m...@pathfinderdreams.com> wrote:

> Why not migrate here B-)
>
> Eternal September 2.0, here we go
>

Be welcome and have fun.

--
^Ï^. – Sn!pe – <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

My pet rock Gordon just is.

[Pathfinder]

On 15/7/23 17:09, Sn!pe wrote:
> Be welcome and have fun.

Thank you so much for the warm welcome! :)

[John McCue]

Pathfinder <m...@pathfinderdreams.com> wrote:
> Why not migrate here B-)
>
> Eternal September 2.0, here we go

Welcome and I fully agree. I have mentioned this to some
reddit people. And IIRC, there are a many needs groups that
need moderators :)

--
[t]csh(1) - "An elegant shell, for a more... civilized age."
- Paraphrasing Star Wars

[Marco Moock]

Am 15.07.2023 um 16:20:44 Uhr schrieb Pathfinder:

> Why not migrate here B-)

Good idea.

No censorship, no big companies controlling the services.

[fratermus]

On 2023-07-15, Pathfinder <m...@pathfinderdreams.com> wrote:

> Why not migrate here B-)

Indeed. At least we can use Scorefiles here.

[Adam H. Kerman]

What about Fluffy?

[Marco Moock]

What is that?

[David W. Hodgins]

https://cats.com/why-do-cats-like-to-walk-sit-on-keyboards

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[John McCue]

John McCue <jmc...@jmcnet1.jmcunx.com> wrote:
> Pathfinder <m...@pathfinderdreams.com> wrote:
>> Why not migrate here B-)

<typo>

> And IIRC, there are a many needs groups that
> need moderators :)

Fixed typo, I meant to say "many newsgroups need moderators".

[David W. Hodgins]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 15:00:53 -0400, John McCue <jmc...@jmcnet1.jmcunx.com> wrote:

> John McCue <jmc...@jmcnet1.jmcunx.com> wrote:
>> Pathfinder <m...@pathfinderdreams.com> wrote:
>>> Why not migrate here B-)
> <typo>
>> And IIRC, there are a many needs groups that
>> need moderators :)
>
> Fixed typo, I meant to say "many newsgroups need moderators".

Most newsgroups are not moderated at all. If people don't like what some
others are posting, they can filter out those articles. The method of filtering
varies depending on the news reader used.

Abuse on the net is allowed as long as it doesn't cross into being illegal in
the jurisdiction of the usenet provider.

Abuse of the net such as posting the same content too often or to too many
news groups may result in actions by the usenet provider such as a temporary
ban or account closure. If a provider doesn't enforce actions, other usenet
providers may choose to stop accepting articles from that provider, or users
can choose to filter out the articles.

For example, many users filter out all articles from google groups due to
google very rarely taking any action. Same with aioe before it closed down.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

[John McCue]

s|b <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:16:34 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:
>
>> Welcome and I fully agree. I have mentioned this to some
>> reddit people. And IIRC, there are a many needs groups that
>> need moderators :)
>

> Which ones?

I saw somewhere, I think in news.groups, that moderated
groups were being sunset due to no moderators.

A while ago, comp.lang.c.moderated disappeared, but I checked
just now and to my surprise it re-appeared :)

[Adam H. Kerman]

John McCue <jmc...@SPAMisBADgmail.com> wrote:
>s|b <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:16:34 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:

>>>Welcome and I fully agree. I have mentioned this to some
>>>reddit people. And IIRC, there are a many needs groups that
>>>need moderators :)

>>Which ones?

>I saw somewhere, I think in news.groups, that moderated
>groups were being sunset due to no moderators.

If the moderator abandons moderation duties or dies, there is literally
no one to approve posts. This is why moderated groups should have had
teams of moderators and a moderator succession plan. In alt.*, there's
no way to resume moderating a group if the moderator failed to transfer
duties, given the lack of hierarchy administration.

>A while ago, comp.lang.c.moderated disappeared, but I checked
>just now and to my surprise it re-appeared :)

What could possibly be the advantage to resurrecting a moderated group?
Just post into unmoderated Usenet. There's always a place to post.

Right now, I think I'm subscribed to just one moderated group that's
still active but have few articles, and another that's been inactive for
years but as far as I know is still moderated.

There was never a reason to moderate any newsgroup. There was always a
reason for users to use their kill files and to shut the fuck up in lieu
of troll feeding. One can kill file someone, but if others feed their
trolls you end up seeing the quote of the article that you had already
junked.

[Eugene Crosser]

On 15/07/2023 12:00, s|b wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 16:20:44 +0800, Pathfinder wrote:
>
>> Why not migrate here B-)
>>
>> Eternal September 2.0, here we go
>

> At least you won't get downvoted here.

Reddit vs. Usenet: to be downvoted into oblivion vs. to perish in a flame war

--
I have a ~/.plan

[Sn!pe]

Eugene Crosser <cro...@average.org> wrote:

> --
> I have a ~/.plan

Your .sig needs a space after the --, i.e.:
dash dash space return on a line by itself.

YW

[John McCue]

Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> John McCue <jmc...@SPAMisBADgmail.com> wrote:
<snip>

>>A while ago, comp.lang.c.moderated disappeared, but I checked
>>just now and to my surprise it re-appeared :)
>
> What could possibly be the advantage to resurrecting a moderated group?
> Just post into unmoderated Usenet. There's always a place to post.

Have you been to comp.lang.c ? Google Groups has an issue
with '++', so many posts for c++ ends up there. Plus at
times, spam streaks occurs.

Buy yes, comp.lang.c.moderated is rather low volume these
days.

[Adam H. Kerman]

John McCue <jmc...@SPAMisBADgmail.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>John McCue <jmc...@SPAMisBADgmail.com> wrote:

><snip>

>>>A while ago, comp.lang.c.moderated disappeared, but I checked
>>>just now and to my surprise it re-appeared :)

>>What could possibly be the advantage to resurrecting a moderated group?
>>Just post into unmoderated Usenet. There's always a place to post.

>Have you been to comp.lang.c ? Google Groups has an issue
>with '++', so many posts for c++ ends up there. Plus at
>times, spam streaks occurs.

I am satisfied with the spam countermeasures that Ray implements. For
spam that isn't caught by such countermeasures, I might make a killfile
entry. I'd never use Usenet with Google Groups but it's easy enough to
kill file those posting through Google Groups if that's truly an issue.

>Buy yes, comp.lang.c.moderated is rather low volume these days.

Moderation is real work. The rest of the Usenet community has always been
in the wrong, expecting others to perform work on our behalf because
we ourselves won't stop engaging trolls. Moderation was never aimed at
the trolls but the troll feeders, the group's regulars who chose to stop
posting on topic and to post only to complain about other people choosing
not to post on topic.

[Eugene Crosser]

On 08/08/2023 01:11, Sn!pe wrote:
> Eugene Crosser <cro...@average.org> wrote:
>
>> --
>> I have a ~/.plan
>
> Your .sig needs a space after the --, i.e.:
> dash dash space return on a line by itself.

Thank you, kind Sir!

--
My ~/.plan was wrong

[Sn!pe]

Eugene Crosser <cro...@average.org> wrote:

> On 08/08/2023 01:11, Sn!pe wrote:
> > Eugene Crosser <cro...@average.org> wrote:
> >
> >> --
> >> I have a ~/.plan
> >
> > Your .sig needs a space after the --, i.e.:
> > dash dash space return on a line by itself.
>
> Thank you, kind Sir!

You're welcome, Eugene. Have fun on dear, old-fashioned Usenet.

[The Bjornsdottirs]

On 7/15/23 08:20, Pathfinder wrote:
> Why not migrate here B-)
>
> Eternal September 2.0, here we go

One problem: harder to get a newsgroup created. On Reddit the group
application form usually takes you straight to a created group. Here you
have to talk to different admins and get it approved. Some hierarchies
have a short circuited process but then you don't get to moderate it.

Otherwise, yeah, I think this is a pretty neat place to go.

[Marco Moock]

Am 23.10.2023 um 10:36:50 Uhr schrieb The Bjornsdottirs:

> One problem: harder to get a newsgroup created. On Reddit the group
> application form usually takes you straight to a created group. Here
> you have to talk to different admins and get it approved. Some
> hierarchies have a short circuited process but then you don't get to
> moderate it.

It is possible to use an administered hierarchy like Big8 and almost
all server operators will create it when the administration board
decides to create the group.
You can also create one in alt.*, but then you have to contact every
NNTP server admin to create it.

There are already many groups and if there is interest of discussion
about a topic, it will be possible to do so.

[The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning]

On 10/23/23 14:45, s|b wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:36:50 +0000, The Bjornsdottirs wrote:
>
>> Some hierarchies
>> have a short circuited process but then you don't get to moderate it.
>

> And that is bad, because... ?
>
Did I imply that it was?

--
Lightning Bjornsson
When replying off-Usenet, remember to reply to
drago...@chatspeed.net. My "email address" is set the way it is due
to Eternal September's nymshifting laws, which forbid using different
emails on a single account.

[Mark Wane]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:36:50 +0000, The Bjornsdottirs wrote:

This is why I see Lemmy and other ActivityPub based sites taking the lead,
since they share that convenience of just clicking a button and it's done.

--
Mark Wane
Matrix: @mark:cool110.xyz
ActivityPub: @ma...@social.cool110.xyz

[The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning]

As of Thu, 26 Oct 2023 10:21:52 +0200, in message
uhd7j2$1f73m$1...@sb.eternal-september.org, "s|b" <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 12:02:14 +0000, The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning wrote:
>
>> >> Some hierarchies have a short circuited process but then you don't
>> >> get to moderate it.
>
>> > And that is bad, because... ?
>
>> Did I imply that it was?
>

> Sort of, through my point of view (which was wrong apparently).

I mean, I think that it could be, but I realize that's not particularly
popular, and it also depends on the purpose you are founding a newsgroup
for.

--
Lightning Bjornsson <drago...@chatspeed.net> Pan makes it quite
difficult to set a multi-line signature. Some say it should be that way.
Most of those people already have us on their killfile.

[immibis]

In my experience so far, the Reddit group application form is most
likely to take you straight to a created *and banned* group as well as
shadow-banning your account. (This is a Reddit-ism which means nobody
else can see anything you post, but you can see what you post as if
everyone is ignoring you)

Reddit isn't actually as open as it advertises.

[Paul Edwards]

Yeah - exactly. Usenet is the place to be.

I don't trust any of these other things where one
unaccountable person gets to click on a button to
decide your fate. Good grief.

Hell - I don't even trust Usenet or even the
Internet and I'm preparing a sneakernet
replacement for that just in case I suddenly
get cut off.

The level where I have trust is in our democratic
governments. They have to go to a lot of effort to
find you guilty of something, and it's not down to
one unaccountable person.

But I need to start somewhere, and Usenet is where
I wish to start.

I have written an operating system (or multiple ones,
depending on what you count), called PDOS (at pdos.org).
I normally post in alt.os.development, but it's not
really appropriate for supporting one particular OS.

Choices would be comp.os.pdos or alt.os.pdos or both
or one and then the other.

I don't want the group to be moderated (including
by me - but if I was forced to have a moderator
then I would want it to be me, and I just wouldn't
delete anything other than spam - I have a Discord
server that I run like that already).

I have an existing hercules-380 OS group at groups.io
for another OS distribution I create, and would
basically move that traffic into the PDOS Usenet
group too.

I'm the most voluminous poster by far, and that's
mainly because I like to document progress regardless
of whether anyone replies. You could argue that I
should just have a blog, and indeed, I have a vlog
too, but it's not what I want. In the end I want
the messages to be able to travel via a sneakernet
version of Fidonet, with that technology itself
evolving over time (in sync with PDOS), perhaps
adopting more Usenet standards - but Fidonet
software is what is already working, so I want to
start by gating Usenet messages into that. Including
the PDOS group(s).

Any suggestions?

Thanks. Paul.

[Marco Moock]

Am 15.02.2024 schrieb Paul Edwards <muta...@gmail.com>:

> Any suggestions?

Please open a separate thread for that case.

[immibis]

On 15/02/24 13:33, Paul Edwards wrote:
> The level where I have trust is in our democratic
> governments. They have to go to a lot of effort to
> find you guilty of something, and it's not down to
> one unaccountable person.

Oh you sweet summer child.