where's all the spam?

[Stephen Catterall]

Hi, this is my first usenet post. Sorry if this is a stupid question
but... if I look at, say, https://groups.google.com/g/sci.logic it seems
comppletely full of spam, whereas if I look at the same group on
Thunderbird using the eternal-september.org server, I can't see any spam
at all. Why this difference? At what point has the spam been filtered out?

[Sn!pe]

It's the collaborative NoCeM spam-killing effort.
There's lots of info about this in e-s.support and
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet among other places.

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PA, FIBS - Professional Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon says:
The first duty of government is defence of the realm.

[Blueshirt]

Eternal-september uses filters at server level to stop spam getting
through to it's users. I believe Ray (eternal-september) uses a
program called SpamAssassin.

Hello btw... <waves>

[Daniel65]

Stephen Catterall wrote on 3/2/24 10:59 am:

Welcome. Well, seems you've found the advantage of using a REAL ISP!!

They do their darndest to block all the SPAM from getting to their
servers .... so you don't have to deal with it.
--
Daniel

[Marco Moock]

Am 02.02.2024 23:59 Uhr schrieb Stephen Catterall:

> Hi, this is my first usenet post.

Welcome!

> Sorry if this is a stupid question but...

There are almost no stupid questions. :-)

> if I look at, say, https://groups.google.com/g/sci.logic it
> seems comppletely full of spam, whereas if I look at the same group
> on Thunderbird using the eternal-september.org server, I can't see
> any spam at all. Why this difference? At what point has the spam been
> filtered out?

Many servers filter out spam with Spamassassin with their own rulesets.
Some also operate cancelbots that cancel the spam (a cancel message
tells a server to delete a post).
Because cancelbots don't have a digital signature, NoCeM was invented.
It offers anybody to post messages and sign them with a key, so nobody
can forge those messages.

Many operators process those messages and that means the spam will be
deleted on the local spool (but not on your disk if you already
downloaded them).

https://feeder.eternal-september.org/stats/index.html

https://www.eternal-september.org/stats/

Look at the NoCeM log file entries.

--
Gruß
Marco

Spam und Werbung bitte an ichschic...@cartoonies.org

[Daniel65]

Marco Moock wrote on 3/2/24 10:31 pm:

> Am 02.02.2024 23:59 Uhr schrieb Stephen Catterall:
>
>> Hi, this is my first usenet post.
>
> Welcome!
>
>> Sorry if this is a stupid question but...
>
> There are almost no stupid questions. :-)

AH!! "almost" ..... I missed this when I read your post ..... and was
going to respond "The only stupid question *IS* the unasked question"
but you might have included this case in your "almost"!! ;-)
--
Daniel

[Blueshirt]

As do most proper Usenet service providers.

Google Groups OTOH...

[David W. Hodgins]

And only 19 days left until a udp against google is self-imposed. Yay!

Regards, Dave Hodgins