More on Aliens?
Ben Wilson
with the aliens? Aaron, what are you wanting to do with them? I mean,
you seem to have a better idea about what you want with aliens than do
I.
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Ben Wilson
"Words are the only thing which will last forever" Churchill
Aaron Clausen
>
> Okay, John's signed up; but probably as a lurker.
Well, better with us in spirit than not at all!
> Shall we continue
> with the aliens? Aaron, what are you wanting to do with them? I mean,
> you seem to have a better idea about what you want with aliens than do
> I.
I don't really have a clear idea, to be honest with you. I do think
that aliens pretending to be nice fits nicely into a far more utopian,
idealistic pan-human government that we see develop after the Second
Decline.
I think the key-point is that the alien(s) appear benevolent, giving
some aid. Perhaps our more egalitarian human government should have
some issues to deal with that the aliens can easily fix, making them
much more popular, and government less interested in deep
investigation.
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Aaron Clausen mightym...@gmail.com
Ben Wilson
> I don't really have a clear idea, to be honest with you. I do think
> that aliens pretending to be nice fits nicely into a far more utopian,
> idealistic pan-human government that we see develop after the Second
> Decline.
>
> I think the key-point is that the alien(s) appear benevolent, giving
> some aid. Perhaps our more egalitarian human government should have
> some issues to deal with that the aliens can easily fix, making them
> much more popular, and government less interested in deep
> investigation.
Based on our own history, the Government you suggest sounds a bit like
Britain circa 1937. The alien race may exhibit some warts, but the
unity of the government and benefits of the alien race leads humanity
to overlook those warts (as general aversion to war led the government
to ignore Hitler's excesses). This allows a suitably deceptive alien
to seriously undermine the human government and slowly revert.
Actually, the 'subtle deception' sounds like some of the assertions
against post-war communism in the U.S.
This would lead to an alien race to provide technology at a trickle.
Each time the humans start to have an issue with the alien, a new
technology is "discovered and shared" with humanity. There's a lot of
room for espionage campaigns in this period with some humans trying to
discover alien technology, aliens trying to hide the technology, and
the aliens trying to subvert human government, etc.
Aaron Clausen
>
>
> On 10/31/07, Aaron Clausen <mightym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't really have a clear idea, to be honest with you. I do think
> > that aliens pretending to be nice fits nicely into a far more utopian,
> > idealistic pan-human government that we see develop after the Second
> > Decline.
> >
> > I think the key-point is that the alien(s) appear benevolent, giving
> > some aid. Perhaps our more egalitarian human government should have
> > some issues to deal with that the aliens can easily fix, making them
> > much more popular, and government less interested in deep
> > investigation.
>
> Based on our own history, the Government you suggest sounds a bit like
> Britain circa 1937. The alien race may exhibit some warts, but the
> unity of the government and benefits of the alien race leads humanity
> to overlook those warts (as general aversion to war led the government
> to ignore Hitler's excesses). This allows a suitably deceptive alien
> to seriously undermine the human government and slowly revert.
> Actually, the 'subtle deception' sounds like some of the assertions
> against post-war communism in the U.S.
How far do you want to carry the the 1930s Britain analogy? The
aliens aren't going to be a militaristic fascist regime, are they?
>
> This would lead to an alien race to provide technology at a trickle.
> Each time the humans start to have an issue with the alien, a new
> technology is "discovered and shared" with humanity. There's a lot of
> room for espionage campaigns in this period with some humans trying to
> discover alien technology, aliens trying to hide the technology, and
> the aliens trying to subvert human government, etc.
I agree. You can certainly work in organizations who, for rational
and irrational reasons, fear and distrust the aliens.
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Aaron Clausen mightym...@gmail.com
Ben Wilson
>
> On Oct 31, 2007 12:00 PM, Ben Wilson <dau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 10/31/07, Aaron Clausen <mightym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I don't really have a clear idea, to be honest with you. I do think
> > > that aliens pretending to be nice fits nicely into a far more utopian,
> > > idealistic pan-human government that we see develop after the Second
> > > Decline.
> > >
> > > I think the key-point is that the alien(s) appear benevolent, giving
> > > some aid. Perhaps our more egalitarian human government should have
> > > some issues to deal with that the aliens can easily fix, making them
> > > much more popular, and government less interested in deep
> > > investigation.
> >
> > Based on our own history, the Government you suggest sounds a bit like
> > Britain circa 1937. The alien race may exhibit some warts, but the
> > unity of the government and benefits of the alien race leads humanity
> > to overlook those warts (as general aversion to war led the government
> > to ignore Hitler's excesses). This allows a suitably deceptive alien
> > to seriously undermine the human government and slowly revert.
> > Actually, the 'subtle deception' sounds like some of the assertions
> > against post-war communism in the U.S.
>
> How far do you want to carry the the 1930s Britain analogy? The
> aliens aren't going to be a militaristic fascist regime, are they?
We don't necessarily have to go that far. We can pick any condition
where one side is distracted or beguiled from seeing the obvious
threat to their security. The question is whether the aliens are
malicious in their efforts to penetrate human society. Perhaps they
fear humanity's rise and decide to be proactive and hobble humanity.
Certainly within any society there will be factions vying for
power---we just let the more xenophobic alien faction dominate alien
society and see where that takes us.
Aaron Clausen
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 13:29 -0400, Ben Wilson wrote:
We don't necessarily have to go that far. We can pick any condition where one side is distracted or beguiled from seeing the obvious threat to their security. The question is whether the aliens are malicious in their efforts to penetrate human society. Perhaps they fear humanity's rise and decide to be proactive and hobble humanity. Certainly within any society there will be factions vying for power---we just let the more xenophobic alien faction dominate alien society and see where that takes us.