Discussing the News (Eureka! It Really Takes Years of Hard Work)

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Eduardo Rocha

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Feb 4, 2008, 9:12:37 AM2/4/08
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The New York Times is running a very interesting story (a little
difficult to read, but I think it's worth the effort):

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/business/03unbox.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=technology

The author says that creativity and innovation is not a result of a
sudden inspiration, but the result of hard work. One example shown is
a person who created a different atlas. This person says that his work
is much more result of incremental ideas rather than flashes of
brilliance. A psychologist in this article says that information
processing occurs in our brain even when we are not aware of it (even
when we are sleeping). So, when we think we have a sudden new idea, in
fact this idea was been developed in our brains for a while.

I think, the same thinking can be applied to learning in general and
language learning in specific. We don't learn English overnight. It is
a long process and it is very important don't give up (What do you
think Warren?).

So, what do you think? Do you think it is possible discovery something
new as a revelation or it is result of hard work?

Regards,

Eduardo R.

Warren

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Feb 5, 2008, 12:04:46 AM2/5/08
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Interesting article, Eduardo! And you did a good job summarizing it.

Many people forget the benefits of setting aside a time - even if it's
only a short time - to do something every day. For example, I read
recently that an English learner could develop a 5,000 word vocabulary
in two years by reading for only 20 minutes a day (@ 100 words per
minute).

Warren

Rosângela Souza

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Feb 5, 2008, 9:21:20 AM2/5/08
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Hi  Eduardo!

In my experience, I have discorvered that it is very important to read or to talk in English every day, even for a short time.
I have been talked and read every day and  when I'm going to do something, I think about it in English too. It helps me a lot.
Hug

Rosa
(Please, can someone correct my mistakes in the text?)

2008/2/5, Warren <war...@successfulenglish.com>:

Eduardo Rocha

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Feb 5, 2008, 1:00:34 PM2/5/08
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Hi Rosa,

I understood everything you said. Just one sentence is a little strange:

"I have been talked and read every day and ..."

probably you should use present perfect continuous:

I have been talking and reading every day and ...

Anyway, I think it is important to write as much as you can. That is
why I try to write a lot to this list. If someone don't understand
what you mean, she/he has just to ask you. The mistakes will disappear
with time. Reading will help a lot in this process, because it helps
you to get used to the language. So, don't be afraid with mistakes.

Regards,

Eduardo R.

Rosângela Souza

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Feb 5, 2008, 2:53:32 PM2/5/08
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Thanks!
Hug
Rosa

2008/2/5, Eduardo Rocha <eroch...@gmail.com>:

Dalton

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Feb 5, 2008, 6:11:36 PM2/5/08
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Hi, another great topic for thought. I am really glad to have stumbled
onto this group and have truly enjoyed the last week or so taking a
peek when time permitted.

That said, well I for one do believe in inspiration. Not to discount
hard work, diligence and practice, practice, practice. Since that's
what I preach. But there is some room in life for those Eureka!
moments.

One of the things I liken language study to, is music. I tell each of
the people I help how they have an opportunity to think in ways
they've never thought. From the moment I began learning some Japanese
and Spanish I personally experienced a change in thinking. One day
after noticing it I tried to explain it to a friend.

The best analogy I could come up with was that it was like music. I
play a little guitar and a lot less piano ( a whole lot less lol! ),
but even my limited piano skills have led me on occassion to dabble
with songwriting on the piano. There are songs you can be inspired to
write on a piano that you wouldn't write on a guitar or flute etc. I
believe there are thoughts you might not think and inspirations
waiting for us in other languages and the only way to access them is
to learn the language.

Learning the language takes practice, practice, practice just like any
musical instrument you wish to have an aha! or eureka moment with.

That said, I still believe there's room for sudden eureka moments in
life. I think life would be a bit lacking if all things flowed from
our efforts in a calculated and predictably boring way.

Just my two-cents,


David

On Feb 4, 9:12 am, "Eduardo Rocha" <erocha....@gmail.com> wrote:
> The New York Times is running a very interesting story (a little
> difficult to read, but I think it's worth the effort):
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/business/03unbox.html?pagewanted=1&...

Eduardo G.

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Feb 6, 2008, 9:56:48 AM2/6/08
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Hello,

I agree, Eureka moments comes from Hard Work and of course comes from incremental ideas.
Behind a Eureka always had a crazy idea... LOL
First you have a crazy idea, and think you are mad, so you put it in practice and new ideas will come..
A simple example.. How many times do you think that Thomas Edison turn on a lamp before it makes light ?
several times, I guess. I don´t think he had just one Insight, I bet he had a lot of incremental ideas after your
hard work and so.. EUREKA! The lamp was made...


Regards

Eduardo Gonçalves (edgnets)
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