What're the advantages and disadvantages of having a native speaker teacher?
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claire
Oct 29, 2009, 7:50:42 AM10/29/09
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Dear all who are keen on better your English,;)
What are the advantages and disadvantages of having a native speaker
teacher comparing to a local teacher?
Is it necessary for the teacher to provide students dictionaries while
teaching in the classroom ?
Thank you in advance for your participation!
This is an opportunity for us to get to know one another better and to
let us older members meet newer members if you speak up here by
responding to the threads!;)
Best regards and good day,
Claire
What are the advantages and disadvantages of having a native speaker
teacher comparing to a local teacher?
Is it necessary for the teacher to provide students dictionaries while
teaching in the classroom ?
Thank you in advance for your participation!
This is an opportunity for us to get to know one another better and to
let us older members meet newer members if you speak up here by
responding to the threads!;)
Best regards and good day,
Claire
Edward
Oct 30, 2009, 10:43:24 AM10/30/09
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Dear all members and Good evening Claire.
I am here after a long interval. Do you remember me? :-)
I study with native speaker teacher for one hour every day from last
month and
This is man-to-man talking class.
So I can write advantages and disadvantages about class with native
speaker teacher.
First I will talk about advantages :
A native speaker teacher pronounce differently.
It cannot compare with non-native speaker teacher.
and If I understand culture of her nation, I can learn many things in
English.
So I don't worry about that is not afraid of meet with foreigner.
Second is disadvantages :
I felt very difficult in native class at first time.
It was a first time when I talk with foreigner for one hour all the
time.
There is a different that has idea, culture, mind etc, between each
other.
So unless she as my teacher understand culture of my nation,
maybe I will not achieve my purpose that speak in English very well.
We need understand each other.
Finally, using the dictionaries in the classroom :
I think we need dictionaries at that time, because student use
dictionaries when does want to know.
and they want to speak more and more expressions in English.
If you speak well in English, please check my sentence.
I want to learn English well.
Thank you and Have a good weekend.
I am here after a long interval. Do you remember me? :-)
I study with native speaker teacher for one hour every day from last
month and
This is man-to-man talking class.
So I can write advantages and disadvantages about class with native
speaker teacher.
First I will talk about advantages :
A native speaker teacher pronounce differently.
It cannot compare with non-native speaker teacher.
and If I understand culture of her nation, I can learn many things in
English.
So I don't worry about that is not afraid of meet with foreigner.
Second is disadvantages :
I felt very difficult in native class at first time.
It was a first time when I talk with foreigner for one hour all the
time.
There is a different that has idea, culture, mind etc, between each
other.
So unless she as my teacher understand culture of my nation,
maybe I will not achieve my purpose that speak in English very well.
We need understand each other.
Finally, using the dictionaries in the classroom :
I think we need dictionaries at that time, because student use
dictionaries when does want to know.
and they want to speak more and more expressions in English.
If you speak well in English, please check my sentence.
I want to learn English well.
Thank you and Have a good weekend.
Wichuda Satidporn
Oct 30, 2009, 3:32:48 PM10/30/09
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Hello there,
In my opinion, there are several pros of learning English with native English speaker. First, you can practice listening because you will have an opportunity to familiar with the native accent either American accent or British accent. It is important to us who learn English language as second language because it is such different sounds between native or our own speaking. Moreover, you will understand how to pronunciation each words correctly particularly many students from Asia countries always have pronunciation problems between "R" sound and "L" sound or " D" sound and "T" sound.
Second, you will learn and know well how the native speakers make some simple conversations, and of course, learning with slang. Certainly, you will copy to speak those conversations automatically and use in appropriate ways in real situations.
All in all, it is my real experience.
Gail
.
Chaya Eitan
Oct 31, 2009, 12:38:28 PM10/31/09
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| It isn't only the correct pronunciation (whether that be American or British), but also - as someone mentioned - the slang. Plus, there is knowledge of history and culture that a non-native speaker might not know about. Chaya (native English-speaking teacher) --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Wichuda Satidporn <kaew...@gmail.com> wrote: |
claire
Oct 31, 2009, 6:48:14 PM10/31/09
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Hello Edward Gail Chaya and all active and silent members,
Welcome back,Edward!!!Of course I remember you.;)
That's wonderful for you to have a regular exposure to a native
speaker teacher's English for 1 hour every day,isn't it?
I can imagine how exciting and nerve breaking it must be for you to
try your best to express yourself and to be understood by her.;)
But I can guarantee you that it will be an impressive and
unforgettable experience...exchanging different ideas and thoughts
with your teacher who comes from a completely different cultural
background!
Where is she from,by the way,Edward?
As some might say,it's called 'culture shock' actually!:D
All the things she says and teaches you will be so much easier for you
to remember as she tries to explain to you with
drawings,gestures,facial expressions,body movements,etc!LOL
I myself find naive speaker teachers are much more motivating and
creative when they engage you in role-plays,discussions or debates.
With them,you are forced to use English because they don't speak your
language.
In a way,it's similar to exposing yourself abroad among foreigners!
And that makes the whole process of learning more attractive and
effective.;)
Getting used to different accents is just a bonus of having a native
speaker teacher.;)
When they used to teach me vocabulary,it was so much easier to
remember because of their creative way of explanation.
I didn't find dictionaries necessary as the native speakers are
practically living dictionaries!!!LOL
Good night again and wonderful weekend!
Claire
Welcome back,Edward!!!Of course I remember you.;)
That's wonderful for you to have a regular exposure to a native
speaker teacher's English for 1 hour every day,isn't it?
I can imagine how exciting and nerve breaking it must be for you to
try your best to express yourself and to be understood by her.;)
But I can guarantee you that it will be an impressive and
unforgettable experience...exchanging different ideas and thoughts
with your teacher who comes from a completely different cultural
background!
Where is she from,by the way,Edward?
As some might say,it's called 'culture shock' actually!:D
All the things she says and teaches you will be so much easier for you
to remember as she tries to explain to you with
drawings,gestures,facial expressions,body movements,etc!LOL
I myself find naive speaker teachers are much more motivating and
creative when they engage you in role-plays,discussions or debates.
With them,you are forced to use English because they don't speak your
language.
In a way,it's similar to exposing yourself abroad among foreigners!
And that makes the whole process of learning more attractive and
effective.;)
Getting used to different accents is just a bonus of having a native
speaker teacher.;)
When they used to teach me vocabulary,it was so much easier to
remember because of their creative way of explanation.
I didn't find dictionaries necessary as the native speakers are
practically living dictionaries!!!LOL
Good night again and wonderful weekend!
Claire
On Oct 31, 5:38 pm, Chaya Eitan <teachactr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It isn't only the correct pronunciation (whether that be American or British), but also - as someone mentioned - the slang. Plus, there is knowledge of history and culture that a non-native speaker might not know about.
>
> Chaya (native English-speaking teacher)
>
> --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Wichuda Satidporn <kaews...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It isn't only the correct pronunciation (whether that be American or British), but also - as someone mentioned - the slang. Plus, there is knowledge of history and culture that a non-native speaker might not know about.
>
> Chaya (native English-speaking teacher)
>
>
> From: Wichuda Satidporn <kaews...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [ESL Podcast] Re: What're the advantages and disadvantages of having a native speaker teacher?
> To: eslpo...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 12:32 PM
>
> Hello there,
>
> In my opinion, there are several pros of learning English with native English speaker. First, you can practice listening because you will have an opportunity to familiar with the native accent either American accent or British accent. It is important to us who learn English language as second language because it is such different sounds between native or our own speaking. Moreover, you will understand how to pronunciation each words correctly particularly many students from Asia countries always have pronunciation problems between "R" sound and "L" sound or " D" sound and "T" sound.
>
>
> Second, you will learn and know well how the native speakers make some simple conversations, and of course, learning with slang. Certainly, you will copy to speak those conversations automatically and use in appropriate ways in real situations.
>
>
> All in all, it is my real experience.
>
> Gail
>
>
> .
>
> From: Wichuda Satidporn <kaews...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [ESL Podcast] Re: What're the advantages and disadvantages of having a native speaker teacher?
> To: eslpo...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 12:32 PM
>
> Hello there,
>
> In my opinion, there are several pros of learning English with native English speaker. First, you can practice listening because you will have an opportunity to familiar with the native accent either American accent or British accent. It is important to us who learn English language as second language because it is such different sounds between native or our own speaking. Moreover, you will understand how to pronunciation each words correctly particularly many students from Asia countries always have pronunciation problems between "R" sound and "L" sound or " D" sound and "T" sound.
>
>
> Second, you will learn and know well how the native speakers make some simple conversations, and of course, learning with slang. Certainly, you will copy to speak those conversations automatically and use in appropriate ways in real situations.
>
>
> All in all, it is my real experience.
>
> Gail
>
>
> .
>
Pablo
Oct 31, 2009, 9:04:42 PM10/31/09
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Hi Claire and friends,
Here you will find lots of opinions about the subject:
http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/talk/polls/native-speaker-teachers
http://www.esl-school.com/archives/2006/04/the_nativespeaker_teacher_debate.php
As you can see there are a broad variety of opinions and experiences.
I consider that the important think is to see whether or not the
teacher you choose has the required skills and qualities, both
academic and human. I mean, to know how good is your teacher, and if
she or he can transmit motivation and passion for the language.
Well, having a non-native teacher is good because you can understand
him/her more easily, and to understand is one of the fundamental
principles of the acquisition of a new language. What's the good thing
of having a native speaker if you can't understand him/her? This is
particularly important for beginners and intermediate students. And
also, a teacher who speaks your own language can communicate and
understand you better, and knows where the difficulties of the English
acquisition are, because they were once students like them and had the
same problems.
I mean, we would have to weigh up if there is the chance of choosing,
without overestimating the things. And we have to bear in mind that
the most part of the work need to be done by the students, the role of
a teacher is to be a guide more than a teacher.
Regards,
Pablo
Here you will find lots of opinions about the subject:
http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/talk/polls/native-speaker-teachers
http://www.esl-school.com/archives/2006/04/the_nativespeaker_teacher_debate.php
As you can see there are a broad variety of opinions and experiences.
I consider that the important think is to see whether or not the
teacher you choose has the required skills and qualities, both
academic and human. I mean, to know how good is your teacher, and if
she or he can transmit motivation and passion for the language.
Well, having a non-native teacher is good because you can understand
him/her more easily, and to understand is one of the fundamental
principles of the acquisition of a new language. What's the good thing
of having a native speaker if you can't understand him/her? This is
particularly important for beginners and intermediate students. And
also, a teacher who speaks your own language can communicate and
understand you better, and knows where the difficulties of the English
acquisition are, because they were once students like them and had the
same problems.
I mean, we would have to weigh up if there is the chance of choosing,
without overestimating the things. And we have to bear in mind that
the most part of the work need to be done by the students, the role of
a teacher is to be a guide more than a teacher.
Regards,
Pablo
Pablo
Oct 31, 2009, 9:18:24 PM10/31/09
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Well, I want to add that some English academies, hire teachers giving
more importance to personal qualities such as the energy that teachers
have, and give less importance to the quantity of titles that they
might have. And as I wrote, the more you can understand the more you
can 'learn', as long as the teacher make the most of that fact.
Have a good time,
Pablo
http://www.slideshare.net/lionnagaraju/what-makes-a-good-teacher
On Oct 31, 8:04 pm, Pablo <pchamorro2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Claire and friends,
>
> Here you will find lots of opinions about the subject:
>
> http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/talk/polls/native-speaker-teachers
>
> http://www.esl-school.com/archives/2006/04/the_nativespeaker_teacher_...
more importance to personal qualities such as the energy that teachers
have, and give less importance to the quantity of titles that they
might have. And as I wrote, the more you can understand the more you
can 'learn', as long as the teacher make the most of that fact.
Have a good time,
Pablo
http://www.slideshare.net/lionnagaraju/what-makes-a-good-teacher
On Oct 31, 8:04 pm, Pablo <pchamorro2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Claire and friends,
>
> Here you will find lots of opinions about the subject:
>
> http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/talk/polls/native-speaker-teachers
>
Chaya Eitan
Nov 1, 2009, 1:23:28 AM11/1/09
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| Sure, I agree that an enthusiastic - very knowledgeable - ESL teacher who isn't native born is much better than one who is less than enthusiastic - another words - boring! Chaya --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Pablo <pchamo...@gmail.com> wrote: |
Chaya Eitan
Nov 1, 2009, 1:46:13 AM11/1/09
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| The ideal situation is for the teacher to be a native English speaker and be able to speak the language of the country. I'm from the U.S. and live in Israel and - of course - speak Hebrew. Most of my students are Russian speakers but most of them speak Hebrew. Chaya |
--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Pablo <pchamo...@gmail.com> wrote: |
|
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pln471
Nov 1, 2009, 5:27:23 AM11/1/09
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Good Sunday morning,Pablo Chaya Claire Gail Edward and all inquisitive
learners,;)
What a pleasant surprise,Pablo,one of our most senior members of the
think-tank here!!!
As always,you brought us very imformative links related to the
threads!
As an ESL/EFL teacher teaching abroad whose mother tongue isn't
English,
I suppose I hold a better view of the pros and cons of this issue.
Speaking the langauge well since birth doesn't make you a natural-born
teacher.
It's is a very valuable point.
I myself have encountered problems teaching Chinese,my mother tongue
and need tips and advice from my French friends who have learned to
master it,in another word,their know-how...
On the other hand,when I teach English or used to tutor French,I don't
have such worries or concerns.
But I think it's questionable if a native speaker teacher needs to
speak the language of the local students.
Quite often,once they speak the local language,they start to lose
their sharp and natural touch when their students make mistakes of
implanting sentences from their mother tongue into English...
It's like a local teacher correcting students' writing,they think in
their mother tongue,thus it's easy for them to understand the content
of their students' writing.
But when I correct their writing,I don't make excuses or presumptions.
Whatever I don't understand,I either put a 'question' mark or correct
the sentence in the way English speakers write...
It's also very true as Pablo said if your level is lower than
intermediate,it's more time-consuming for both the student and the
teacher to have a fruitful result.
Here at the language centre where I've been teaching for 3 years in
Poland,the management and administration still prefer to use Polish
teachers to conduct groups whose levels are as high as CAE or BEC
Higher...
I find this phenomenon quite disturbing and they told me it's because
they don't have enough native speaker teachers and they find local
teachers more reliable(which means more predictable manageable when it
comes to the quality of teaching?)
I still am clueless!LOL
Great Sunday to all of you,new or old,active or silent!
Pln
On Nov 1, 7:46 am, Chaya Eitan <teachactr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The ideal situation is for the teacher to be a native English speaker and be able to speak the language of the country. I'm from the U.S. and live in Israel and - of course - speak Hebrew. Most of my students are Russian speakers but most of them speak Hebrew.
>
> Chaya
>
> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Pablo <pchamorro2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Claire- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
learners,;)
What a pleasant surprise,Pablo,one of our most senior members of the
think-tank here!!!
As always,you brought us very imformative links related to the
threads!
As an ESL/EFL teacher teaching abroad whose mother tongue isn't
English,
I suppose I hold a better view of the pros and cons of this issue.
Speaking the langauge well since birth doesn't make you a natural-born
teacher.
It's is a very valuable point.
I myself have encountered problems teaching Chinese,my mother tongue
and need tips and advice from my French friends who have learned to
master it,in another word,their know-how...
On the other hand,when I teach English or used to tutor French,I don't
have such worries or concerns.
But I think it's questionable if a native speaker teacher needs to
speak the language of the local students.
Quite often,once they speak the local language,they start to lose
their sharp and natural touch when their students make mistakes of
implanting sentences from their mother tongue into English...
It's like a local teacher correcting students' writing,they think in
their mother tongue,thus it's easy for them to understand the content
of their students' writing.
But when I correct their writing,I don't make excuses or presumptions.
Whatever I don't understand,I either put a 'question' mark or correct
the sentence in the way English speakers write...
It's also very true as Pablo said if your level is lower than
intermediate,it's more time-consuming for both the student and the
teacher to have a fruitful result.
Here at the language centre where I've been teaching for 3 years in
Poland,the management and administration still prefer to use Polish
teachers to conduct groups whose levels are as high as CAE or BEC
Higher...
I find this phenomenon quite disturbing and they told me it's because
they don't have enough native speaker teachers and they find local
teachers more reliable(which means more predictable manageable when it
comes to the quality of teaching?)
I still am clueless!LOL
Great Sunday to all of you,new or old,active or silent!
Pln
On Nov 1, 7:46 am, Chaya Eitan <teachactr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The ideal situation is for the teacher to be a native English speaker and be able to speak the language of the country. I'm from the U.S. and live in Israel and - of course - speak Hebrew. Most of my students are Russian speakers but most of them speak Hebrew.
>
> Chaya
>
>
> From: Pablo <pchamorro2...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [ESL Podcast] Re: What're the advantages and disadvantages of having a native speaker teacher?
> To: "ESL Podcast Study Group" <eslpo...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 6:04 PM
>
> Hi Claire and friends,
>
> Here you will find lots of opinions about the subject:
>
> http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/talk/polls/native-speaker-teachers
>
> http://www.esl-school.com/archives/2006/04/the_nativespeaker_teacher_...
> From: Pablo <pchamorro2...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [ESL Podcast] Re: What're the advantages and disadvantages of having a native speaker teacher?
> To: "ESL Podcast Study Group" <eslpo...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 6:04 PM
>
> Hi Claire and friends,
>
> Here you will find lots of opinions about the subject:
>
> http://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/talk/polls/native-speaker-teachers
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Chaya Eitan
Nov 1, 2009, 8:02:12 AM11/1/09
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| Quite often, a student will say something like "I have 'arba' children." (arba is four in Hebrew) This brings about a lot of laughter! Of course just because a person speaks a language doesn't mean they can teach it! But knowing the structure of the language of the people one is teaching is helpful. For example, in English we say "I want you to help me." That same sentence - in Hebrew (translated directly to English) would be "I want that you will help me." So it helps that I know that and can show them that in English it's different. Chaya --- On Sun, 11/1/09, pln471 <pln...@gmail.com> wrote: |
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