What are you all feeding with this recall scare?

[Paula Gordon]

Hey all,            What kind of food are you feeding with this recall scare? It makes you wonder if the expensive foods are just the same as the cheap foods since they are all made at the same place. You know? You don't know who to trust any more. They can tell you it is different, but is it really. Right now I am scared to death to feed my guys, yet of course they have to eat! But they want you to save a sample of the food and lot numbers and receipts and so on, and take your pet to the vet at the first signs of vomiting, excessive thirst and so on. Usually, by the time your pet is showing symptoms it is already too late! I don't want to risk that with my babies! Am I alone?

Paula, Baby & DD

Paula Gordon
 
"To err is human, to forgive, canine"

[Raymond Coyer]

I feed Pedigree dry, which is not affected by this recall. It is not top name, but as a sponsor for Westminster, I consider it good for my foster dogs and the resident dogs.

 

Ray, Quinn and the magnificent Seven, plus fosters.

Saving one dog will not change the world, but it will change the world for that one dog.

"Humans are a dangerous breed, just look at how they treat their own kind", The Mighty Quinn.

 

[BARBARA MALTESE]

Bebore Daisy passed on 3/17/07, I had started feeding her Wellness Senior Super 5.

Also, she had gotten in the habit of 1/4 can Mighty Dog as a habit from when I had first gotten her and she had such bad teeth that she didn't want to eat.

     I also started giving beef rib and short rib bones (boiled for one minute) which she loved. I got that idea from the groups. 

     If you go to the Wellness web site, they say right at the top that none of their stuff is in the recall.  Now I only hope we can trust them more than we can trust our political leadersLOL.  I am considering feeding my next one home cooked(like I don't even cook for myself half the time) By the time you finish reading the bags and cans, you need a stiff drink, which would be fine if you drank. Maybe a pill....

                                     Good luck, Barb and Daisy(from the bridge)

Paula Gordon <siamese...@comcast.net> wrote:

[Nancy Alyward]

Hi everyone

 

I'm in a new member in Vancouver, BC.  I am the proud owner of "Tippy" a standard male.

 

I have certain opinions about feeding any  dog dry cereal day after day.  Would you want to come home every night to a bowl of Shreddies?

 

I've had really good luck with Pedigree cans.  It can be purchased readily in Wal Mart, and it comes in chunk style, casseroles and "meaty loaf".  We cook peas, carrots, green beans, a little corn, brown rice and whole grain pasta.  For fun, I might cook up some spaghetti noodles and mix in some chunky beef (for a spaghetti & meatball dinner).

 

Tonight he ate a mixture of chunky lamb, peas, carrots and shell pasta.  We even heat it in the microwave for a minute, so he's not eating a cold dinner.  A very spoiled boy indeed - but his coat proves the point.  Suffice it to say this little dude also has fresh breath and NO stinky poop!  (It's true).  He also eats 1 or 2 fried eggs per week, and also a small serving of  rinsed red kidney beans - full of iron.

 

The bottom line - we cook more food for Tippy than we buy.  Your eskie can easily eat a little of your hamburger/chicken/steak/pork/or roast.  Mix it in with some vegies and pasta or rice (for starch).  Throw in a handful of kibble, some red kidney beans too.  You will see an active dog with a beautiful low-shedding coat who loves dinner time!

 

I'd love to hear your thoughts / comments.

 

Nancy & Tippy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Paula Gordon

To: eskie...@googlegroups.com

[Debbie Swanson]

I feed my dogs Chicken Soup For The Soul Puppy Formula Holistic for Health. It contains no wheat and no corn. It's made with chicken, turkey, salmon, duck, blueberries carrots potatoes, tomatoes, spinach,cracked barley and brown rice, white rice, and lots more wholesome ingredients, plus it is preserved naturally, no chemicals. It costs about the same as the as Nutro Ultra. That’s what I was feeding. My dogs mean to much to me to fool around with chemically tainted food, and companies that don't give a hoot to test their ingred before they put it out on the shelves for all us dog and cat people to feed our beloved pets. I would think the FDA would make them follow more strict guidelines, as the dog food companies are SUPPOSED to provide wholesome food for our pets. The FDA is holding a session on making the dog food companies more responsible for testing the ingredients, lets see what they have to say when the news comes out on that. I sure hope something good comes from it! Someone has to be held responsible for the deaths of all these family members, they are not just our pets they are part of our family!!!!

 

Deb, Kimo, Malita and Magic Faith

----- Original Message -----

From: Paula Gordon

To: eskie...@googlegroups.com

[Paula Gordon]

Hi Barb,                I have been cooking for mine now. It isn't easy to start, but I came up with some recipes off the web and I am trying. Store bought prepared foods are just easier to feed and they know it.

----- Original Message -----

From: BARBARA MALTESE

To: eskie...@googlegroups.com

[Paula Gordon]

Wow! That is super! I am going to try it. You are right, I get tired of the same old same. I have been using the rice and pasta too but didn't know about the kidney beans. Thanks a lot!

[Paula Gordon]

You are so right!!!!! Speak it out! Bless you!

Paula

[BARBARA MALTESE]

Hi Nancy,  That all sounds really great.  The kidney beans are a new one for me too,

I myself don't like them. Most other beans I do, but not kidney. I like your ideas also, I always thought dogs must get bored with the same old stuff all the time.

     I remember my mom used to give our dogs "Sunday Breakfast" eggs along with the rest of the family always scambled. They loved it.

     Hey group - how bout more ideas?   Barb and (Daisy at the bridge)

[Sharon Kowal]

I do a combo of home cooking and raw feeding - pick up the book Foods Pets Die For http://www.homevet.com/petcare/foodbook.html and have a read. 

 

Sharon

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Paula Gordon

To: eskie...@googlegroups.com

[ANNA PAZ]

I HAVE BEEN FEEDING MY ESKIE A MIXTURE OF BENEFUL DRY, MIXED WITH THE MOIST (MOIST CONTAINERS ARE MEAT AND VEGI/RIVE ECT. MIX)  IS THIS A GOOD FOOD ?  IT IS BY PURINA.  ARE THERE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS PRODUCT THAT ANY OF YOU ARE AWARE OF!  SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS.  COMPUTER DOESN'T WANT TO COOPERATE TODAY.

----- Original Message -----

From: Paula Gordon

To: eskie...@googlegroups.com

[ANNA PAZ]

GREAT ADVISE.  I ALSO COOK FOR DUKE BUT NOT ALL THE TIME; I SHARE WHAT I HAVE FOR DINNER IF APPROPRIATE FOR HIM.  HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH AGGRESSION AND IS ON A "CLICK AND TREAT PROGRAM".  THIS WAS A PROBLEM WITH PACKAGED TREATS SO I STARTED SAVING PIECES OF LEAN STEAK, BOILED HAMBURGER OR CHICKEN, CARROTS, CHEESE AND BITS OF RICE FOR HIS TREATS (ALSO LIKES FISH).  I NOW VERY RARELY USE PKG. TREATS.  HE MOSTELY GETS BENEFUL DRY FOOD MIXED WITH THE MOIST MEAL IN THE CAONTAINERS.  I HAVE STARTED MEGA 3 AND MULTI VITAMIN TO HIS DAILY REGIMEN.  hE WAS LOOSING A LOT OF HIS COAT ( MORE THAN I THOUGHT WAS JUST SPRING SHEDDING-STARTED TOO EARLY IN THE WINTER FOR NORMAL).  sHEDDING HAS SLOWED DOWN AND HIS COAT IS LOOKING BETTER.

[Wingert, Laura, YES Solutions]

Oh my God, I went to this link and read what he had to say......it makes me afraid to buy ANY of the foods that you find on the grocer’s shelves. I guess the same applies to not only the foods themselves, but the ‘treats’ as well? Our local news here in PA said this morning that now Del Monte Foods is voluntarily recalling some of their treat foods – Jerky Treats for dogs and Pounce for cats. I went to the website and there is a whole list of brand and private label treats (they also do the ‘Ol Roy and some Dollar General stuff) and I also got an email about Purina Alpo Prime Cuts in Gravy being recalled. When will this stop?  Has this been going on all along and suddenly, because animals got sick and in some cases died, the truth is coming out and more and more of these criminals that are making our dog and cat food are getting scared and VOLUNTARILY recalling their products for fear of law suits????? This makes me so angry!!

Anyway, as I try to calm down, just let me say that I liked the sound of Nancy’s menu for Tippy. Do you cook up enough for more than one meal, or do you do one meal at a time?

 

Laura and Koda, and Cool Whip, Jewel, and Sequoia at the Bridge

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[Evelyn Black]

I've never been sure who to believe about whose dogfood is better than the other guys; even after researching - just gives me a headache trying to decipher the labels.  I try to provide a variety of everything so they don't get stuck on one thing, and so they get the benefit of a variety.  If one brand doesn't have something important in it, another one will.  So we alternate canned, dry, raw and cooked.  They love raw or cooked meats and the raw meaty bones are great for keeping their teeth clean.  They get little bits of leftovers, (they particularly like lasagna, spaghetti, cheesy macaroni), and sometimes I'll make extra scrambled eggs (a favorite) or meat so I can give them some. 

 

The Whole Dog Journal publishes an annual list of the top quality canned and dry brands - they recommend feeding the better quality brand canned and dry foods like Canidae, Chicken Soup, Eagle Pack, Flint River, Innova, Merrick, Pet Guard, Prescise, Solid Gold, Wellness, Wysong, etc. 

 

 

Evelyn and Sascha & Lil' Foxy Brown .  .  .  (and kitties; Chelsea, Punkin-Head Jones, SweetPea McGee, Black Magic Mambo and Anastasia) in Cincinnati, OH

Lotsa pics at http://community.webshots.com/user/Evelynblack

 

Disaster Response - CART (County Animal Response Team) Vice President

http://www.TriStateCART.com

 

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From: eskie...@googlegroups.com [mailto:eskie...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of ANNA PAZ
Sent: April 02, 2007 9:37 AM
To: eskie...@googlegroups.com

[Cindy Capen]

When I looked at the ingredients on Beneful a couple years ago, since a
friend was feeding it, I was not impressed with the ingredients. I think
corn which is considered a cheap filler was the first or second ingredient.
Remember that the ingredients are listed in terms of what there is the most
of... so if the first thing listed is corn, then chicken, there's more corn
than chicken and so on down the line. (Like when you look at lots of
personal care products and the first ingredient is water).

I add pumpkin and yogurt frequently. Also brown rice. Last week they were
getting some steamed broccoli. I've never tried the kidney beans, though a
vet tech told me that feeding half green beans and half kibble is helpful
for those needing to lose weight.

I would like to do more home cooked meals and also look into... I think it
was freeze dried raw foods that Whole Dog Journal listed Timberwolf as
making, but for now I use Timberwolf dry kibble. I rarely add any canned dog
food and expect to not do so at all in the future. I did in December when
Grace was on soft food for a month after two root canals. I definitely
suggest making a "batch" ahead and refrigerate for several meals, that's how
mine get brown rice and broccoli more frequently. Leftovers are sometimes
better than the first time around!!!

As far as changing foods alot, some folks think it's good to change
frequently, some do not. The cat we had when I was a kid liked Ken-L-Ration
Mixed Grille (I'm probably dating myself!)and that was IT! So I think
animals may vary in whether they like variety and also how well they
tolerate it in terms of stomach upset. I've been feeding Timberwolf Ocean
Blue for about 16 months and just decided to try one of the other choices of
Timberwolf kibble called Dakota Bison. I asked the gal at the pet store
about what I tend to hear of taking 3-7 days of increasing percentages of a
new food to give an animal time to adjust to the new food without stomach
upset. She said that Timberwolf products are similar enough that I didn't
need to do the gradual switch. Well, I still have some of the Ocean Blue to
I'm blending anyway for a week or so until I finish the one kibble. A gal
who used to be at the pet stor changed her dogs kibble every time she bought
more and she seemed to believe it was in their best interests healthwise to
do so.

Cindy

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[Kathryn Lundy]

Hi,

Through 20 plus years of owning Eskies, I've researched many pet foods
and reviewed them ingredient by ingredient with veterinarians. All
vets I have spoken to have advised against feeding raw meats.

What I found works best is healthy kibbles in the morning cause they
have all of the vitamins and supplements then cooked meals in the
evening. I feed my guys Natural Balance or Wellness Super5Mix for
breakfast. These are 2 of the healthiest dry kibbles on the market.
No wheat, no corn, no by products, no dyes or any questionable
ingredients. Neither were listed in any of the recalls. Then in the
evenings they get a home cooked meal. Whatever I'm cooking for
dinner, I'll prepare a bland eskie version. Usually meat - chicken,
beef, turkey, sole or halibut and add some rice or pasta and few
veggies mixed in. Home made soups and non-spicy spaghetti are also
favourites. Chicken liver or beef liver tends to give them the runs so
I only use liver when baking doggie cookies (prepared in a food
processor with other healthy ingredients) - special occasions and
holidays. They get Sunday breakfasts too. Always remove fat and don't
add much in the way of spices. One of my guys is allergic to salmon
and loves all things creamy like yogurt, cheese, and cottage cheese.
The other loves all things with tomato sauce (Hunt's original canned
tomato sauce). I never had an Eskie that would actually chew a
Dentabone or any of those popular chew bones. So I buy beef soup bones
(round no sharp edges) and cook them in the oven in a pan with a
little water at 350F for an hour.

I highly recommend getting a blood test done once a year. I do it
before vaccination time. Even if your Eskie appears to be perfectly
healthy, it's the one way you can detect something going awry before
physical symptoms appear. If there is anything wrong that could be
caused by diet, such as elevated enzymes in the liver, kidney or
pancreas, it will show up in the bloodwork. You then have a chance to
take corrective action before anything serious develops. It's worth
the peace of mind.

My mother who is 76, reminds me that when she was growing up, there
were no commercial pet foods on the market. So dogs ate whatever the
family ate and this was the case for all time before the advent of pet
food. I think that was sometime in the 1950's?

When I was a kid, my Dad's work took us overseas to South America and
Africa. There certainly was no commercial pet food available there.
We always had dogs and they always ate what we ate. They were
healthy. In Africa, the biggest health threat to our dogs were the
locals. Dogs were part of the human diet as were monkeys and
snakes !!

Kathryn Lundy

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[ANNA PAZ]

Wow Cindy, you just blew-me-away with that info on Beneful.  I thought it was a good food.  The contaiers are small and expensive (moist meat, rice, vegis).  Just goes to show that the price doesn't necessarily indicate the quality!?  One would think that our vets. would be up to date on nitrition and quide us.  I go to the Angel Memorial in Boston.  My Vet told me (at the time Duke was only (7 mos) that the Alpo he was on (from his breeder) was fine.  He indicated that as long as your pet did not have special needs that one type of dog food was probably as good as the other.  Whats up about that!!!!  I have a book on nutrition but never read more than a few pages.  Will have to take a new look. 

[S Brown]

I fed Marshmellow the Del Monte Nature's Recipe-Lamb
and Rice for seniors as well as Venison and
Rice...makes me wonder if she ate tainted food now ans
that's why she got so sick so quickly...she got a can
of food a day not to mention her cup of dry mixed in.
And now I find out that some Del Monte products where
recalled...come to think of it I got to check my cat's
treats as he has Pounce ones...Just lovely I don't
need my cat to go with my baby too he is only 12 and
frisky as ever <when he can get away from my
husband's> German Shorthaired Pointer- who drives me
up the wall constantly pushing the toddler and myself.

Gotta go do the checking now...Sheri

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> Wow Cindy, you just blew-me-away with that info on
> Beneful. I thought it was a good food. The
> contaiers are small and expensive (moist meat, rice,
> vegis). Just goes to show that the price doesn't
> necessarily indicate the quality!? One would think
> that our vets. would be up to date on nitrition and
> quide us. I go to the Angel Memorial in Boston. My
> Vet told me (at the time Duke was only (7 mos) that
> the Alpo he was on (from his breeder) was fine. He
> indicated that as long as your pet did not have
> special needs that one type of dog food was probably
> as good as the other. Whats up about that!!!! I
> have a book on nutrition but never read more than a
> few pages. Will have to take a new look.
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[BARBARA MALTESE]

And if you all remember, one of the culprits was thought to be contaminated wheat gluten from China; where there are no laws against pesticides. Outsourcing? Free trade? The responsibility should be on the manufacturers here to make sure the stuff they put in the foods is not harmful, we do not have the knowledge or the facilities to do it- only the love to try and do the best we can for our pets. The moral responsibility lies with the manufacturers who tell us this stuff is good for our pets.

[Cindy Capen]

I was referring to Beneful dry kibble, I haven't read the ingredients on one
of their cans. I see ads for their kibble, but I suggest you read the can
ingredients, or consider a better kibble and add a spoonful of yougurt,
stemed veggies,etc. and don't spend money on canned anymore. I don't by
food from a vet, most of them are not well educated on nutrition and since
they get free samples of stuff, just like human M.D.'s get free
prescription drug samples -- I don't trust them as much as a good pet food
store.
Cindy

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[ANNA PAZ]

Thanks Cindy.  The Beneful moist I buy comes in a plastic small oval container.  Duke likes this best of all.  He is a finicky eater.  Doesn't like yougurt.  I need to read labels more carefully.  I depend too much on what TV and stores advertise.  Also on well meaning friends who also do not read labels.  Best to all!

[Paula Gordon]

It does also give me a head ache and like I said I don't want to risk getting my dog's sick cause then it will be too late! I also heard that pedigree is ok. I have received email from the company saying that they are now FDA approved safe. But you know I seriously wonder what best interest they have in our pets. My pets are really my babies and I wouldn't risk their lives for nothing! I sure can see also that a lot of you guys are worried too!

----- Original Message -----

From: Evelyn Black

To: eskie...@googlegroups.com

[Paula Gordon]

Every body is really putting in a lot of great info. I really have never
been able for quite a few years to feed very expensive foods since I got
hurt and cant work now. But a lot of these ideas are reasonable and sound
nutritionally good for our babies also! Terrific!
Paula, Baby & DD

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From: "Cindy Capen" <cap...@msn.com>
To: <eskie...@googlegroups.com>

[Paula Gordon]

Wow Kathryn, Cool stories! I would be so afraid that the people
would eat my dog!!! Oh My God!
Yes, I was going to say the same thing that my mom and grandma both fed
nothing but table scraps. Those dogs lived to be 20 plus and never had been
to the vet a day in their lives! They got vaccinated at the rabies clinics
and that was it! My mom also thinks that animals get worms (tape, round and
so on) from the dry foods. She thinks that the eggs are in the food and that
when they eat it they hatch. She thinks that because she has had cats be
totally indoors and they have had worm problems. Who knows, she might be
right. You just never know what to think any more!
I too am afraid of the raw foods, but I am thinking of doing the soup bones.
I was always afraid to give them due to splintering and rupturing their
colon was what I heard. Any truth to that do you know of?

Paula, Baby & DD
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[Cindy Capen]

Read the label or look at a manufacturer website since the type is small on
packages (I have to use reading glasses or a magnifying glass - haha). Even
if you've been using a product, it's good to check occasionally in case
they've changed the ingredients. I know, this is all enough to make us nuts.
As long as we're eating healthy (which I define as having as little
artificial stuff as possible and choosing organic more and more) feeding the
puppers what we eat is probably a good idea. Has anyone been learning about
GMO (genetically modified) foods? I have and it is also a crazymaker. The
worst part is that currently the regulations aren't there to let us as the
consumer make informed decisions because manufacturers aren't required to
label it as GMO. Don't believe that GMO is the equivalent of non-GMO.
Currently we're likely all eating it. It's in many corn and soybean products
already which are used in common products that you wouldn't suspect. There's
a good DVD called "The Future of Food" which I recommend viewing. Ok, I'll
save that soapbox for another day and when I've read more.......
Cindy

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[BARBARA MALTESE]

Me too Paula- I'm on SS and only now may be able to work part time, so the info is good to get.  That's why the groups are so great. Barb Maltese

[Paula Gordon]

That is true about the vets. Mine push Iams, Iams, Iams, but what they don't tell you is that what you buy they get a "kick back" from selling it to you. Not that it is any better for your pet, they want the kick back, plus like I said Menu foods manufactures Iams and Eukanuba right along with O'lroy and special kitty. Duh! They are all in the recall so that must mean they are made from the same batch of stuff, right? Do I make sense? My vet also tries to tell me that canned foods are nothing put pure sugar! Who knows! It makes me crazy! The manufactures are going to say their item is the best so you will buy it, even if it isn't the best food on the market. They are all going to push their product to make money, it is all about the money! To me it is all about my pet!

Paula, Baby & DD

[Kathryn Lundy]

Yes, you have to be careful what type of bones you let them chew on.
They can splinter and get caught in the wind pipe or cause damage in
the colon - tear the colon walls and cause internal bleeding. Worse,
they can get stuck in the colon and then the dog has to be operated
on. Once I had a $250 vet bill because a raw hide chew got stuck in
the lower part of the windpipe. The vet said no more rawhide and
recommended large round beef soup bones fully cooked as the only
"safe" bones to give to our dogs. Select smooth bones that are too big
or difficult to be bitten off in small bites and swallowed. My guys
just eat the bone marrow and end up scraping their teeth on the bones
which is what you want. Now I make sure I'm around when my babies are
busy bone chomping.

My father has a border collie who also loves to chew. One day he was
busy chewing a tree branch. A piece of the branch splintered off and
got embedded in the roof of his mouth. He had to be sedated until the
vet plucked out the splinters. So I guess the moral of the story is
not to give our dogs anything that can splinter when chewed.

Regards,

Kathryn Lundy

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[Paula Gordon]

That is it and I don't know about you all, but I do not trust them now!

Paula,Baby & DD

[acha...@mchsi.com]

  Our mom is starting to do more home cooking.  She makes most of ourfoods in kibble form, to help with teeth and gums.  My liver snacks are snacks only, because liver is so high in fats. She just made a triple batch of chicken kibble.

Boil 2 chickens in 42oz of low sodium chicken broth. Add a little garlic, parsley and rosemary.  Toss in a cup of brown rice, a little cabbage (perhaps beans and sweet potato) and 1/2 cup barley.  After the chicken in done, pick it from the bones.  Boil the broth down to about half.   Put chicken pieces back into broth and cool.  Puree all in food processor.  Add an egg and brewers yeast.  Put part of puree into large bowl.  Add whole wheat flour and knead till like bread dough.  Roll thin on jelly roll pan.  Bake 30 min @ 350.  Remove from oven and tip out onto counter.  Cut into kibble size pieces.  Put back on pan and back into oven 250 degrees for 2-3 hours.  Stir occationally.  When really dried, cool and place in baggie or jar.  If dried enough, it should be good for several weeks.

  Panama Red and Chopper

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[BARBARA MALTESE]

Well, I think with all the good info we have gotten we can now proceed cautiously to make our own diets.  I certainly appreciate all the great ideas- good going group!  Barb

[Paula Gordon]

I just want everyone to know that you all are SUPER! You have given me the best input and I can mingle through it and feed my guys a healthy diet now and feel good about it. We thank you!

[Paula Gordon]

so great! Thanks for the recipe! I cant wait to try it!

 

Paula, Baby & DD

 

 

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From: acha...@mchsi.com

To: eskie...@googlegroups.com

[annedy...@comcast.net]

Well, I think with all the good info we have gotten we can now proceed cautiously to make our own diets.  I certainly appreciate all the great ideas- good going group!  Barb

Paula Gordon <siamese...@comcast.net> wrote:

That is it and I don't know about you all, but I do not trust them now!

Paula,Baby & DD

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: BARBARA MALTESE

To: eskie...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:48 AM

Subject: [eskiepeople:1183] Re: What are you all feeding with this recall scare?

And if you all remember, one of the culprits was thought to be contaminated wheat gluten from China; where there are no laws against pesticides. Outsourcing? Free trade? The responsibility should be on the manufacturers here to make sure the stuff they put in the foods is not harmful, we do not have the knowledge or the facilities to do it- only the love to try and do the best we can for our pets. The moral responsibility lies with the manufacturers who tell us this stuff is good for our pets.

ANNA PAZ <myst...@msn.com> wrote:

Wow Cindy, you just blew-me-away with that info on Beneful.  I thought it was a good food.  The contaiers are small and expensive (moist meat, rice, vegis).  Just goes to show that the price doesn't necessarily indicate the quality!?  One would think that our vets. would be up to date on nitrition and quide us.  I go to the Angel Memorial in Boston.  My Vet told me (at the time Duke was only (7 mos) that the Alpo he was on (from his breeder) was fine.  He indicated that as long as your pet did not have special needs that one type of dog food was probably as good as the other.  Whats up about that!!!!  I have a book on nutrition but never read more than a few pages.  Will have to take a new look. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cindy Capen

To: eskie...@googlegroups.com

>From: "ANNA PAZ" <myst...@msn.com>
>Reply-To: eskie...@googlegroups.com
>To: <eskie...@googlegroups.com>

>Subject: [eskiepeople:1167] Re: What are you all feeding with this recall
>scare?

>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:36:57 -0400
>
>GREAT ADVISE.  I ALSO COOK FOR DUKE BUT NOT ALL THE TIME; I SHARE WHAT I
>HAVE FOR DINNER IF APPROPRIATE FOR HIM.  HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH AGGRESSION
>AND IS ON A "CLICK AND TREAT PROGRAM".  THIS WAS A PROBLEM WITH PACKAGED
>TREATS SO I STARTED SAVING PIECES OF LEAN STEAK, BOILED HAMBURGER OR
>CHICKEN, CARROTS, CHEESE AND BITS OF RICE FOR HIS TREATS (ALSO LIKES FISH).
>  I NOW VERY RARELY USE PKG. TREATS.  HE MOSTELY GETS BENEFUL DRY FOOD
>MIXED WITH THE MOIST MEAL IN THE CAONTAINERS.  I HAVE STARTED MEGA 3 AND
>MULTI VITAMIN TO HIS DAILY REGIMEN.  hE WAS LOOSING A LOT OF HIS COAT (
>MORE THAN I THOUGHT WAS JUST SPRING SHEDDING-STARTED TOO EARLY IN THE
>WINTER FOR NORMAL).  sHEDDING HAS SLOWED DOWN AND HIS COAT IS LOOKING
>BETTER.

>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Nancy Alyward<mailto:missbe...@telus.net>

>   To: eskie...@googlegroups.com<mailto:eskie...@googlegroups.com>
>   Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:59 PM

>   Subject: [eskiepeople:1159] Re: What are you all feeding with this
>recall scare?
>
>

>   Hi everyone
>
>   I'm in a new member in Vancouver, BC.  I am the proud owner of "Tippy" a
>standard male.
>
>   I have certain opinions about feeding any  dog dry cereal day after day.
>  Would you want to come home every night to a bowl of Shreddies?
>
>   I've had really good luck with Pedigree cans.  It can be purchased
>readily in Wal Mart, and it comes in chunk style, casseroles and "meaty
>loaf".  We cook peas, carrots, green beans, a little corn, brown rice and
>whole grain pasta.  For fun, I might cook up some spaghetti noodles and mix
>in some chunky beef (for a spaghetti & meatball dinner).
>
>   Tonight he ate a mixture of chunky lamb, peas, carrots and shell pasta. 
>We even heat it in the microwave for a minute, so he's not eating a cold
>dinner.  A very spoiled boy indeed - but his coat proves the point. 
>Suffice it to say this little dude also has fresh breath and NO stinky
>poop!  (It's true).  He also eats 1 or 2 fried eggs per week, and also a
>small serving of  rinsed red kidney beans - full of iron.
>
>   The bottom line - we cook more food for Tippy than we buy.  Your eskie
>can easily eat a little of your hamburger/chicken/steak/pork/or roast.  Mix
>it in with some vegies and pasta or rice (for starch).  Throw in a handful
>of kibble, some red kidney beans too.  You will see an active dog with a
>beautiful low-shedding coat who loves dinner time!
>
>   I'd love to hear your thoughts / comments.
>
>   Nancy & Tippy
>

>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Paula Gordon<mailto:siamese...@comcast.net>

>     To: eskie...@googlegroups.com<mailto:eskie...@googlegroups.com>
>     Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 5:06 PM

>     Subject: [eskiepeople:1156] What are you all feeding with this recall
>scare?
>
>

>     Hey all,            What kind of food are you feeding with this recall
>scare? It makes you wonder if the expensive foods are just the same as the
>cheap foods since they are all made at the same place. You know? You don't
>know who to trust any more. They can tell you it is different, but is it
>really. Right now I am scared to death to feed my guys, yet of course they
>have to eat! But they want you to save a sample of the food and lot numbers
>and receipts and so on, and take your pet to the vet at the first signs of
>vomiting, excessive thirst and so on. Usually, by the time your pet is
>showing symptoms it is already too late! I don't want to risk that with my
>babies! Am I alone?
>     Paula, Baby & DD
>     Paula Gordon
>
>     "To err is human, to forgive, canine"
>
>
>
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[Taylor, Kate]

Hello,
I've been out of the office for a few days, so I'm just catching up
now. WOW! You guys have been really busy on this food recall. I would
like to take a moment to remind you all that the FDA has had it's budget
slashed so severely in the last 6 or 7 years that they cannot protect
our human food supply, much less our pets' food supply. I think we need
to be vigilant on all fronts.
I did switch Leo to Solid Gold last week. He seems to like it but I
have been putting something in it (like a boiled egg or cheese or some
veggie) to keep him from just picking at it. It was a sudden food
change for him and I usually don't like to do that, but I considered
this an emergency situation. I also feed him whatever I'm having for
dinner. Leo loves cheeses, carrots, broccoli and pasta - OK basically
anything that appears on my plate! I do give him spaghetti with a
little bit of sauce but I try to keep really spicy things away from him.

If I'm not sure about something, he doesn't get it. I tell him that
it's because it's bad for him and he seems to understand. He is also
very patient if I tell him that something is HOT and it needs to COOL.
Are all Eskies/dogs sensitive to food that is too warm? Leo is more
likely than not to throw it up if food is not cool to the touch.
Well, I'm climbing off my soapbox now.
Later!
Kate and Leo

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's
too dark to read."
Groucho Marx.

I am tied to the stake, and I must stand the course.
King Lear. Act iii. Sc. 7.

There is no spoon.

[BARBARA MALTESE]

Yes, Kate, it's really been a busy time.  I am thinking that it coming time,even if we are not all Democrats; that we begin to make our wishes known to the government, repeatedly and en  masse.  The Dems will need to be told what to do since they are not used to being in power and we can't let them go off on tangents.

[Taylor, Kate]

Hello,

  I agree completely!  I e-mail my representatives (Ms. Slaughter and Ms. Clinton) about one thing or another at least once a month.  I think April's campaign will be to get the FDA more money so that they can protect us all as they were designed to do.  All Federal agencies have a charter and a fiduciary responsibility to the citizens of this country.  Maybe we should remind them all that the F in FDA stands for "FOOD"!

later,