I was using Eagle for some time and liked the features and functions it gives for a user. As a hobbyist I don't draw much, several schematics per year, but I always thought that I really need more space. This is natural - I use through hole parts, because I am able to solder them at home, with SMD it is more complicated. But using bigger parts at the same time requires more board area. With last limitation of 18 cm2 (10x8 cm, for example) only the professionals could fit in all they want - I cant. Well, for example, I can fit 4x7seg digits, relay and that is all. You would say - purchase the full version and enjoy the full package. From the money perspective - I cant afford to make 2-3 schematics per year for 133 Eur per year. From logic perspective - I will never use all package, like millions of layers, football field size PCB, support, training and all the stuff that pro's would use with paid license, I only need a bit bigger PCB, for example 623,7 cm2 (size of an A4 paper sheet) and the rest is enough with free version. I contacted the support and they recommended to write here for solution. So, guys, give me your thoughts, reply with confirming the problem, advise - if there will be lots of people with similar thoughts, maybe someone at Autodesk would change the situation.
2. Crack the Eagle. As I use it only at home (I think most of the hobbyists do), there would be no problem with that. Maybe I am stupid fighting the wind mills and asking to change something, when this simple solution exists...? Well, lets wait and see how things will go on, I would like to not use this option.
Let's summarise your post: "The fact that you make available for free a version of your application isn't good enough for me, I want more stuff from you. No, I don't want to pay you any money, and if you don't accede to my demand, I'll either crack your application and use it illegally, or use some other free tool".
Well, there's your options: be a [insert pejorative term of your choice] and download a crack for it, use something else, or pay the man. I'm not sure you understand the concept of "customer" - to be a customer, you have to engage in "custom", you actually have to pay them something - and "customer service" is for customers, not people who pay you nothing. If you're only planning on using the free tools, the only advantage to the company is if you plan to upgrade at some nebulous time in the future or to claim a higher market share - there's no real downside to them if you go and use Kicad...
I too use Eagle for 3 or 4 schematics a year; I too needed more than 160cm^2 (I'm designing a mini-itx sized motherboard, so ...). You know what I did ? I paid for the premium version, because that's the right thing to do. I figured that it was my daily cup of coffee for a year, or getting access to the app (and not drinking all that caffeine). Didn't seem like much of a problem. YMMV. Am I over the moon about paying for it ? No, of course not. Is it a reasonable cost to get the app ? Yes. Yes it is.
So do you want to use EAGLE professionally or for hobby use? EAGLE premium is very reasonably priced for the professional users it is aimed at and EAGLE Standard is also very capable for professionals who need less in terms of board area and layer count and the price of this is certainly not too much for a hobby budget either. You can't expect Autodesk to make it all available for free just because you have once had a board which is a little bit larger than the area limits of the free version.
If you have a one off requirement like this which is 5mm / 7mm larger this is well within the size limits of the Standard version which in the UK would be 12 for a one month license if it was a one off thing or 114 if you needed more often throughout a year so no need to be buying a 588 license just to do a slightly larger board.
Ok that's fine, I'm glad you are sorted and getting on well with KiCAD. I just wanted to make sure anybody reading this in the future was aware that you don't need to buy a 12 month EAGLE Premium license just to do a board slightly larger than the EAGLE free license area limitations, it's way cheaper than that with EAGLE Standard and one off monthly licenses but your initial post implied otherwise. I wanted to make sure you and anybody else reading this understood that.
I don't disagree with you in principle, but with the recent trend toward subscription models for software, it's bothersome. I've PAID for Photoshop in the past. I've never been mad that I don't have all the fancy CS6 features in my decade-plus old copy of PS. But I paid for it once, own the license, and can keep using the software I paid for indefinitely.
$60/mo is a bit steep for the average tinkerer who wants to be able to use some of the features locked behind the paywall. I have no problem with free versions having limitations, and I'd never say "oh, but I also want THIS for free", however if we're going to roll a subscription model, at least have a $15/mo option for non-commercial licenses or something. Or, offer a one-time static license good for a certain version and ditch the crappy subscription model. Most businesses can absorb that - many hobbyists cannot. It's why I stopped using Substance. It's why I'll never buy a new version of anything Adobe makes. Yeah yeah, sour grapes and all. Mostly it's the crap sales model I loathe, and nearly everyone is doing it these days - even utilities like 1Password.
I know this is an old thread, but I've got to agree with the original poster.
I've worked with Eagle for a couple of personal/hobby projects, and I've spent the past few months designing a bit of custom electronics for a community charity to make their life a bit easier.
I've struggled to work within the 8x10cm, and was ending up across several boards, which was messy and unnecessary and has proved to be impossible to work with (as well as being electrically unsafe) - so I thought I'd pay for a short-term subscription for 3 months to allow me to get this all on to two boards.
But, as of January, "Eagle is now only available with a Fusion 360 subscription" and the cost for me/us is prohibitive.
I simply don't have time to climb the learning curve of other software (believe me I've tried over the past few weeks), so the whole project has now been scrapped, I've wasted a chunk of my time and a community group is disappointed.
We're all grateful for free software, and especially when paid-for enhancement options are available for those who just want to go a bit beyond what it's capable. But this move just isn't right in my view.
Thank you for posting on the Autodesk forum. I wanted to let you know that you can apply for an Fusion 360 Personal license. This license does include the Fusion 360 electronic workspace which is 100% compatible with EAGLE files. The size limitation remains the same, but it appears you have solve that in the past. I have a few tutorials on the Fusion 360 YouTube channel that will help you get up and running in not time.
If anyone is still interested in overcoming the size restriction in Eagle CAD legally, there is a way to do this. However, this solution is limited to old offline versions of Eagle without web-only features, so whoever still have a permanent license or freeware versions for CadSoft Eagle v6.0-v8.0 may want to try to give a new life to their beloved CAD tool.
The software is cross-platform (it's a Qt app), while support scripts are provided only for Linux (probably works for Mac too), but, well, QtCreator will build the tool on Windows or Mac anyway.
Also, there's a limited opportunity to have additional signal layers (mostly useful for power planes) in a license-restricted mode of old Eagle. All you have to do is to declare these layers in board file manually. You can't edit them directly, but you can change layer of a polygon between allowed and restricted layer any number of times. The thing is, Eagle's CAM processor produces correct gerber files for these layers and connected pads/vias, so you can actually have your 4 or 8 or ever 16 layer 1m*1m board in free version of old offline Eagle CAD with some effort and a tolerable level of inconvenience.
hello, am reading through your post and am totally not agreeing with you. If you have to be a customer, then there has to be a two way traffic. The company needs to benefit from your subscription as you benefit from getting more from the best application. You dont need to crack the software, you just need to subscribe. As for using KiCAD, it depends on why you need the design tool .... Imagine if you have a client who is specific that you should make use of eagle eda, will you not loose that client in the name of working with KiCAD? Every software is beneficial and there is always a good reason why some are open source while others you have to pay for them.
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