Re: [epistemology 12614] Digest for epistemology@googlegroups.com - 4 Messages in 1 Topic

[Michael Atovigba]

Quite interesting, that information is (as a postulate or hypothesis?) never lost but stored in some form in the black box (hole). Thus, we should manufacture a computer or turing M that could retrieved information from the black hole and present as (live) historical matter. Implies that time could be rolled back to minus infinity.

Mike Atovigba

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:47 AM, <episte...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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 Where does the information come from?

"socr...@bezeqint.net" <socr...@bezeqint.net> Apr 06 06:28AM -0700  

‘ The laws of physics dictate that information, like energy,
cannot be destroyed, which means it must go somewhere.
Where did the information go? ’
/ Book ‘ The big questions’ by Michael Brooks.
Page 195-196. /
1.
Modern biologists speak of information – in genetics.
( a set of chromosomes contains in its genes the information )
The information content in the nucleus of a single human cell
is comparable to that of a library containing a thousand volumes.
Question:
How many cells – volumes can a single man have and
how they can create a child during 9 months if according
to the probability theory it is impossible?
Question:
Does DNA Know Geometry ?
2.
When a radium atom decays, old electro - information is lost,
and the new information is not equivalent to the old.
It seems as if the elementary event in physics presupposes
not the conservation of information but its change.
Question:
What does law of transformation mean according to
the single quanta of information- electron?
3.
Black hole information paradox . . .
It suggests that physical information could permanently
disappear in a black hole, . . . . .
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_information_paradox
 
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awori achoka <awori....@gmail.com> Apr 06 05:56PM +0300  

If information is preserved in Black Hole, then it rhetorically implies
that, we live in world of multi universes...do not ask me for proof...am
not a physicist.
On Apr 6, 2012 4:28 PM, "socr...@bezeqint.net" <socr...@bezeqint.net>
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awori achoka <awori....@gmail.com> Apr 06 06:00PM +0300  

> If information is preserved in a "Black Hole", then it rhetorically
implies that, we live in a world of multi universes...do not ask me for
proof.
 
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"socr...@bezeqint.net" <socr...@bezeqint.net> Apr 06 10:20AM -0700  

‘Can energy and information be identified ? ‘
ask Carl Friedrich von Weizsacker in his book:
The unity of Nature. Page 282.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_von_Weizs%C3%A4cker
 
And on the page 290 – 291 he wrote:
‘ Mass is information.’
And on the page 292 he wrote:
‘ Energy is information.’
=========.
My opinion.
What is information from Quantum’s Theory point of view ?
From Quantum’s Theory point of view ‘information’ must be
some smallest bit / quantum of information. But physicists
in our world ( according to QED ) use only one particle –
electron to transfer information. They don’t use any another
particles ( quark, muon, meson, tau, . . . etc )
Therefore I say: ‘ The smallest bit / quantum of information
is electron with energy: E=h*f. ‘
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[einseele]

Hello Michael
Liked your post
A turing M should rebuild the information out of a black box, were
information is somehow stored-not stored (needs to be rebuilt).
Is this what you meant?
The reference to time being rolled back I agree 100%, or like saying
the same for entropy

thks

On 1 maio, 10:35, Michael Atovigba <mikeatovi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Quite interesting, that information is (as a postulate or hypothesis?)
> never lost but stored in some form in the black box (hole). Thus, we should
> manufacture a computer or turing M that could retrieved information from
> the black hole and present as (live) historical matter. Implies that time
> could be rolled back to minus infinity.
> Mike Atovigba
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> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:47 AM, <episte...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >   Today's Topic Summary
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> >    - Where does the information come from?<https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h...>[4 Updates]
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> >  Where does the information come from?<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/t/395ebeb96daacbb6>
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> >    "socra...@bezeqint.net" <socra...@bezeqint.net> Apr 06 06:28AM -0700

> >    awori achoka <awori.ach...@gmail.com> Apr 06 05:56PM +0300

>
> >    If information is preserved in Black Hole, then it rhetorically implies
> >    that, we live in world of multi universes...do not ask me for
> >    proof...am
> >    not a physicist.

> >    On Apr 6, 2012 4:28 PM, "socra...@bezeqint.net" <socra...@bezeqint.net>
> >    wrote:
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> >    awori achoka <awori.ach...@gmail.com> Apr 06 06:00PM +0300

>
> >    > If information is preserved in a "Black Hole", then it rhetorically
> >    implies that, we live in a world of multi universes...do not ask me for
> >    proof.
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> >    > On Apr 6, 2012 4:28 PM, "socra...@bezeqint.net" <
> >    socra...@bezeqint.net>

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> >    "socra...@bezeqint.net" <socra...@bezeqint.net> Apr 06 10:20AM -0700

>
> >    ‘Can energy and information be identified ? ‘
> >    ask Carl Friedrich von Weizsacker in his book:
> >    The unity of Nature. Page 282.
> >    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_von_Weizs%C3%A4cker
>
> >    And on the page 290 – 291 he wrote:
> >    ‘ Mass is information.’
> >    And on the page 292 he wrote:
> >    ‘ Energy is information.’
> >    =========.
> >    My opinion.
> >    What is information from Quantum’s Theory point of view ?
> >    From Quantum’s Theory point of view ‘information’ must be
> >    some smallest bit / quantum of information. But physicists
> >    in our world ( according to QED ) use only one particle –
> >    electron to transfer information. They don’t use any another
> >    particles ( quark, muon, meson, tau, . . . etc )
> >    Therefore I say: ‘ The smallest bit / quantum of information
> >    is electron with energy: E=h*f. ‘
> >    ===.
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