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doc.joj.
Feb 11, 2008, 10:26:51 AM2/11/08
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= epistemology : observation of all all nature,...>=knowledge,
=science....>.=.logic-al deduction..=>.hypo.thesis...=> discussion and
debate....../// all by the tiny human cortex which assumes in all
arrogance that what it knows is all to know....
=I agree w all greg has said in his level of knowledge.greg is right
for his understanding=// and who and what am I ???
=and that is a fraction of the whole 'truth'
=what is truth, ( Jesus!)...how much can we dare to fathom?
=let us read study the ancient tomes like the vedas and the Books of
Ancient Knowledge.......and ponder and meditate for a hundre
years....then we will know something of what we want to know.
..................................
Look: the primordial almighty energy / GOD/....time space/ LIGHT
=energy + matter.........matter....chemicals...protein...LIFE..... you
and me and all.....living ...AND SOCALLED NON LIVING !!!!
=let us stop where we have to stop....we are the tiniest fraction of
the creative energy forces called GOD by people like us. just like an
ant /me/ looking up and asking me/ GOD/ what i know about human
anatomy cross section at the level of the 12th dorsal.
= even solomon ventured only that far.....
............respects to this readers.....
....................................george pradhan,1926,
mbbs,male,india, jesu and vedas.
=science....>.=.logic-al deduction..=>.hypo.thesis...=> discussion and
debate....../// all by the tiny human cortex which assumes in all
arrogance that what it knows is all to know....
=I agree w all greg has said in his level of knowledge.greg is right
for his understanding=// and who and what am I ???
=and that is a fraction of the whole 'truth'
=what is truth, ( Jesus!)...how much can we dare to fathom?
=let us read study the ancient tomes like the vedas and the Books of
Ancient Knowledge.......and ponder and meditate for a hundre
years....then we will know something of what we want to know.
..................................
Look: the primordial almighty energy / GOD/....time space/ LIGHT
=energy + matter.........matter....chemicals...protein...LIFE..... you
and me and all.....living ...AND SOCALLED NON LIVING !!!!
=let us stop where we have to stop....we are the tiniest fraction of
the creative energy forces called GOD by people like us. just like an
ant /me/ looking up and asking me/ GOD/ what i know about human
anatomy cross section at the level of the 12th dorsal.
= even solomon ventured only that far.....
............respects to this readers.....
....................................george pradhan,1926,
mbbs,male,india, jesu and vedas.
archytas
Feb 11, 2008, 8:37:59 PM2/11/08
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I have immediate faith in this post doc. So much so that I'm tempted
to post some of the most boring prose ever written (on stoichiometry
in the late 1970s) just so we can all delight in Greg's fathoming of
it. We could run a book on which one of Georges' inevitable comments
would be first past the post in denial of my theory of hydrogen
bonding and how many loonies would find what hidden in the meaning of
the text. I did once relate string theory (or the one or other of
them around at the time) to atomic numerology, but the editors took
out 'numerology' and refused to print my last line on blow jobs from
god. I went mad shortly thereafter.lost faith in equations and became
a social scientist - it was and remains quite clear there are no
others - so I can be sure of being on my own!
I thought I had invented Greg, but he keeps emailing me from places
I've never been.
Neil
to post some of the most boring prose ever written (on stoichiometry
in the late 1970s) just so we can all delight in Greg's fathoming of
it. We could run a book on which one of Georges' inevitable comments
would be first past the post in denial of my theory of hydrogen
bonding and how many loonies would find what hidden in the meaning of
the text. I did once relate string theory (or the one or other of
them around at the time) to atomic numerology, but the editors took
out 'numerology' and refused to print my last line on blow jobs from
god. I went mad shortly thereafter.lost faith in equations and became
a social scientist - it was and remains quite clear there are no
others - so I can be sure of being on my own!
I thought I had invented Greg, but he keeps emailing me from places
I've never been.
Neil
Greg
Feb 11, 2008, 9:58:34 PM2/11/08
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?????I thought I had invented Greg, but he keeps emailing me from
places
I've never been. ?????
me no understand :) ?????
places
I've never been. ?????
me no understand :) ?????
Greg
Feb 11, 2008, 10:12:30 PM2/11/08
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to make the discussion relevant and not smeared by personalities so
that we all debate this from a neutral point of view i would say
"Who is you "is a more appropriate subject heading. Yes there are
limitations in epistemology based on an understanding of what we are
because there are other realities that are in nature that can also be
a starting point but any starting point is a starting point.
that we all debate this from a neutral point of view i would say
"Who is you "is a more appropriate subject heading. Yes there are
limitations in epistemology based on an understanding of what we are
because there are other realities that are in nature that can also be
a starting point but any starting point is a starting point.
archytas
Feb 12, 2008, 9:32:17 AM2/12/08
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Perhaps Greg, we are all characters is novels written by others?
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doc.joj.
Feb 14, 2008, 10:54:37 AM2/14/08
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neil, how many understood the relativity of einstein? my mind did
grasp some cloud. that is enuf for me.
= your hydrogen bonding, i feel there must be, but do i need to
understand? i know there must have been an al-mighty to start electro-
mag LIGHT from cosmos which came out of chaos.there was the hum of the
universe...the AUMmmmm , for you cannot get light particles or dust
out of nothing.and they vibrate oscillate to produce waves to propel
the photons or wahtever....then your helium/ hydrogen
neil......bonding... all the subatomic...atomic...till the basic
protein...abikity to build itself....LIFE !!!! So whether we
understand or appreciate or reply erratic, you have to tell us
whatever fraction of the mystery that is revealed to you. and so on a
million of such guesses, hypoThesis, will go to make just a tiny bit
of knowledge, wisdom, logic...........doc.joj
grasp some cloud. that is enuf for me.
= your hydrogen bonding, i feel there must be, but do i need to
understand? i know there must have been an al-mighty to start electro-
mag LIGHT from cosmos which came out of chaos.there was the hum of the
universe...the AUMmmmm , for you cannot get light particles or dust
out of nothing.and they vibrate oscillate to produce waves to propel
the photons or wahtever....then your helium/ hydrogen
neil......bonding... all the subatomic...atomic...till the basic
protein...abikity to build itself....LIFE !!!! So whether we
understand or appreciate or reply erratic, you have to tell us
whatever fraction of the mystery that is revealed to you. and so on a
million of such guesses, hypoThesis, will go to make just a tiny bit
of knowledge, wisdom, logic...........doc.joj
archytas
Feb 14, 2008, 10:07:57 PM2/14/08
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there is a certain joy from time to time in how little we know doc.
Neil
Neil
Greg
Feb 15, 2008, 11:26:25 AM2/15/08
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we might as well be, but the good thing is that as much as our stories
intertwine we are our script writers for each and every scene in the
novels although we cant control the environmental & circumstantial
variables, but at least we can choose how to react to them .
so ya we might as well be characters in novels.
intertwine we are our script writers for each and every scene in the
novels although we cant control the environmental & circumstantial
variables, but at least we can choose how to react to them .
so ya we might as well be characters in novels.
archytas
Feb 16, 2008, 4:39:08 AM2/16/08
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You miss the point, as ever, my young friend! I would guess it would
be good to be able to write one's one script and be a part of those
of others.
Neil
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be good to be able to write one's one script and be a part of those
of others.
Neil
Greg
Feb 16, 2008, 8:12:07 AM2/16/08
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okay can u elucidate in plain language ur point for my greater
benefit.
benefit.
archytas
Feb 16, 2008, 9:51:27 AM2/16/08
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No Greg - the point is to put in some hard work and learn enough to be
able to see without help, to appreciate text, to interlocute, to be
able to see the joke. If it was a recipe I'd have sent it to you.
Neil
able to see without help, to appreciate text, to interlocute, to be
able to see the joke. If it was a recipe I'd have sent it to you.
Neil
doc.joj.
Feb 17, 2008, 1:41:25 PM2/17/08
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neil and greg and me docjoj are all looking at the same mystery from
our own angles and view points and levels of our understanding
perception. we have the privilege and the freedom. cos no one has said
till now he knows the primordeal ,emphasize the primitive primordeal.
as i said before, you will glimpse, AS I HAVE .. the alpha
within galaxies nebulae on midnight nomoon day, at the center of the
cyclone, in the smokes of the volacano...........in the foodless
beggar standing at my door gate...in the explosion by landmine of a
minibus carrying 16 people into bits of flesh just in front of my
Landrover ,Vietnam........in the miserable child and mother dying of
stage IV HIV = AIDS......../////
Yes Let us continue talk and contribute our wisdom knowlej and
ignorance and foolish stupidity.... no harm....no shame. the ALFA
knows all....
the god in you is smiling. doc.joj.
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our own angles and view points and levels of our understanding
perception. we have the privilege and the freedom. cos no one has said
till now he knows the primordeal ,emphasize the primitive primordeal.
as i said before, you will glimpse, AS I HAVE .. the alpha
within galaxies nebulae on midnight nomoon day, at the center of the
cyclone, in the smokes of the volacano...........in the foodless
beggar standing at my door gate...in the explosion by landmine of a
minibus carrying 16 people into bits of flesh just in front of my
Landrover ,Vietnam........in the miserable child and mother dying of
stage IV HIV = AIDS......../////
Yes Let us continue talk and contribute our wisdom knowlej and
ignorance and foolish stupidity.... no harm....no shame. the ALFA
knows all....
the god in you is smiling. doc.joj.
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doc.joj.
Feb 17, 2008, 1:44:04 PM2/17/08
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neil tell us about the bonding vision you have.......let us have more
science in our approach....
.......doc.joj. 16th.
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science in our approach....
.......doc.joj. 16th.
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archytas
Feb 18, 2008, 4:53:12 PM2/18/08
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I'm game doc. Limited bandwidth for the next few days, though the
laptop is working. I think we could do with more science, but real
problems are often about greed. Difficult in my culture to be 'self-
less' - but I kind of aspire that way. Some may find this odd, but I
don't claim to own much, even thoughts and consciousness.
Neil
On 17 Feb, 18:44, "doc.joj." <pradhangeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> neil tell us about the bonding vision you have.......let us have more
> science in our approach....
> .......doc.joj. 16th.
>
> ...............................................................................................
laptop is working. I think we could do with more science, but real
problems are often about greed. Difficult in my culture to be 'self-
less' - but I kind of aspire that way. Some may find this odd, but I
don't claim to own much, even thoughts and consciousness.
Neil
On 17 Feb, 18:44, "doc.joj." <pradhangeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> neil tell us about the bonding vision you have.......let us have more
> science in our approach....
> .......doc.joj. 16th.
>
doc.joj.
Feb 20, 2008, 5:57:09 AM2/20/08
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dears, did you read the astronomers' views 2004..about multiple
myriods of galaxies, and the real chance of a hundred earths with
life, not only that but that there could be just NOW the same you and
me existing there and talking this very same sense/nonsense ? Hindu
tomes have said 2000 yrs ago that we are at present in the 14th repeat
performance of creation/evolution where we all have undergone all this
13 times already before ?????? pure maths inference..... . now do
write all about the bonding of yours, and any thing else our readers
wish to tell us fancy fantacy or logic deduction. talking about the
unseen yet manifest as light which light has given everything we see
and feel and experience now, including our own brain which leads and
misleads us variously. i am a bright fellow but with IQ just over 100,
and not the nerdish 150!!! yet i believe in what i say, even if i
understand jus a little. Reading neil and greg shows out their great
inDepth study and thought.
=therefore each one of us can continue contributing to the funds of
knowlej and ignorance .
= i have postulated elsewhere that every positive power inherently
coexists with its negative counerpart self. just like how can +1 =
-1 as square root of 1 ???
Corolary Creator = Destructor , coForming the cosmos and chaos. 50
% pos = 50% neg energy in the same original alfa. God and the devil of
the jew, heaven and hell, good and bad, all in the same situ pulling
equal and opposite. [ hindu gods and demons born of sisters , and
same father.]
= Cell Life is programmed at the very birth towards the death [ end of
that phase of life.]. apostosis ?
= i look positively, not like the neg of old testament prphets of
doom, and the present preachers , of damnation.
====== doc.joj. 4pm 20th. ind.
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myriods of galaxies, and the real chance of a hundred earths with
life, not only that but that there could be just NOW the same you and
me existing there and talking this very same sense/nonsense ? Hindu
tomes have said 2000 yrs ago that we are at present in the 14th repeat
performance of creation/evolution where we all have undergone all this
13 times already before ?????? pure maths inference..... . now do
write all about the bonding of yours, and any thing else our readers
wish to tell us fancy fantacy or logic deduction. talking about the
unseen yet manifest as light which light has given everything we see
and feel and experience now, including our own brain which leads and
misleads us variously. i am a bright fellow but with IQ just over 100,
and not the nerdish 150!!! yet i believe in what i say, even if i
understand jus a little. Reading neil and greg shows out their great
inDepth study and thought.
=therefore each one of us can continue contributing to the funds of
knowlej and ignorance .
= i have postulated elsewhere that every positive power inherently
coexists with its negative counerpart self. just like how can +1 =
-1 as square root of 1 ???
Corolary Creator = Destructor , coForming the cosmos and chaos. 50
% pos = 50% neg energy in the same original alfa. God and the devil of
the jew, heaven and hell, good and bad, all in the same situ pulling
equal and opposite. [ hindu gods and demons born of sisters , and
same father.]
= Cell Life is programmed at the very birth towards the death [ end of
that phase of life.]. apostosis ?
= i look positively, not like the neg of old testament prphets of
doom, and the present preachers , of damnation.
====== doc.joj. 4pm 20th. ind.
.........................................................................................................................
archytas
Feb 20, 2008, 9:00:06 AM2/20/08
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As you must know doc - life is infectious! They spotted the fequency
signal of bacteria out there years ago. I fancy meetind an alien who
says - 'you know, you guys just don't know how to enjoy life, let me
show you'. Hot here, and I look like some seedy guy in a Graham
Greene novel.
Neil
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signal of bacteria out there years ago. I fancy meetind an alien who
says - 'you know, you guys just don't know how to enjoy life, let me
show you'. Hot here, and I look like some seedy guy in a Graham
Greene novel.
Neil
nominal9
Feb 20, 2008, 12:59:11 PM2/20/08
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Howdy Archytas....
I take it that you made it to.... Cameroon, was it(?).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cm.html
I referenced a couple of "encyclopedic" type articles on Cameroon...
just for kicks....to see what you may have to deal with as day-to-day
living experiences. Everything considered....for a "third-World"
environment..... it appears to be fairly to very hospitable. I hope
that everything works out safely for you on a personal level. I don't
know what you are doing there, as far as a work-related situation is
concerned, but I assume that it is basically "honorable" and to a good
end. I mean... I did include a CIA link (as a gag).... I hope you
aren't down there in any nefarious capacity to overthrow a government
or to lead a mercenary action or the like....In your post, I sense an
"undertone" of conern about.... infection and disease.... (I recall
your fear of penis attacking water parasites from a while ago) when
here, in your post, you state "life is infectious". Well, as I read in
the two links.... the most actually dangerous infectious possibility
on the whole of the African Continent appears to be the Aids
virus..... So... instead of avoiding the River Waters, perhaps you
main concern should be to .... keep you pants on... in other sorts of
possible situations....Let me (and us?) know how you are doing down
there, to the best of your abilities to discuss such matters ....
Sounds interesting.
nominal9
I take it that you made it to.... Cameroon, was it(?).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cm.html
I referenced a couple of "encyclopedic" type articles on Cameroon...
just for kicks....to see what you may have to deal with as day-to-day
living experiences. Everything considered....for a "third-World"
environment..... it appears to be fairly to very hospitable. I hope
that everything works out safely for you on a personal level. I don't
know what you are doing there, as far as a work-related situation is
concerned, but I assume that it is basically "honorable" and to a good
end. I mean... I did include a CIA link (as a gag).... I hope you
aren't down there in any nefarious capacity to overthrow a government
or to lead a mercenary action or the like....In your post, I sense an
"undertone" of conern about.... infection and disease.... (I recall
your fear of penis attacking water parasites from a while ago) when
here, in your post, you state "life is infectious". Well, as I read in
the two links.... the most actually dangerous infectious possibility
on the whole of the African Continent appears to be the Aids
virus..... So... instead of avoiding the River Waters, perhaps you
main concern should be to .... keep you pants on... in other sorts of
possible situations....Let me (and us?) know how you are doing down
there, to the best of your abilities to discuss such matters ....
Sounds interesting.
nominal9
archytas
Feb 20, 2008, 2:12:36 PM2/20/08
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This is just a first short trip - fly back at the weekend. Sue is
with me.
Neil
> I take it that you made it to.... Cameroon, was it(?).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroonhttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cm.html
with me.
Neil
> I take it that you made it to.... Cameroon, was it(?).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroonhttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cm.html
Greg
Feb 24, 2008, 8:53:32 AM2/24/08
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niel
you are in cameroon wow, enjoy the scenic views, i hear there is a
rain forest.
regards
greg
On Feb 20, 11:12 am, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> This is just a first short trip - fly back at the weekend. Sue is
> with me.
>
> Neil
>
> On 20 Feb, 17:59, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Howdy Archytas....
> > I take it that you made it to.... Cameroon, was it(?).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroonhttps://www.cia.gov/library/publ...
you are in cameroon wow, enjoy the scenic views, i hear there is a
rain forest.
regards
greg
On Feb 20, 11:12 am, archytas <nwte...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> This is just a first short trip - fly back at the weekend. Sue is
> with me.
>
> Neil
>
> On 20 Feb, 17:59, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Howdy Archytas....
archytas
Feb 24, 2008, 9:19:33 AM2/24/08
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Back home now Greg but going back.
Neil
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