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Barbara
Dec 31, 2007, 12:00:28 PM12/31/07
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I agree that God doesn't cause many of the bad things attributed to
him. Often, though things that look bad don't turn out that way, as
Lynn says. And God can bring good out of much of the bad stuff, even
if He didn't want it to happen in the first place. I think that many
of the bad things that have happened to me have helped me empathize
with others in ways that an otherwise privileged upbringing might not
have prepared me to do.
Barbara
him. Often, though things that look bad don't turn out that way, as
Lynn says. And God can bring good out of much of the bad stuff, even
if He didn't want it to happen in the first place. I think that many
of the bad things that have happened to me have helped me empathize
with others in ways that an otherwise privileged upbringing might not
have prepared me to do.
Barbara
Cyndi Spencer
Dec 31, 2007, 12:50:08 PM12/31/07
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I personally think God bestowed free will upon us and we make choices and unfortunately those choices can lead to bad things some times. My lesson is to learn from the bad things and see my responsibility in the event rather that blaming God.
The men in the boat did not see that it was Jesus walking on the water and they felt fear until he spoke. My fear is that I do not see the real message in any situation. That old adage of 20/20 hindsight is fine but God does have a way of blessing a situation or blocking it if we pay attention. When I have faith and I pay attention the fear of the unknown is turned into........Wow what might happen next.
God Bless and I hope you all have a wonderful New Year and I look forward to the many blessings I am sure I will receive from you all in the coming years.
Beth Rankin
Dec 31, 2007, 2:41:31 PM12/31/07
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First, I am back...thanks to Barbara for resending the link to get the Taize readings.
Mon, 31 December
In the past, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets in many different ways. But in our time, the last days, he has spoken to us through his Son.
Heb 1:1-14
In the past, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets in many different ways. But in our time, the last days, he has spoken to us through his Son.
Heb 1:1-14
Okay, I have mixed feelings about this. Having been taught about the many people who claimed to be the Messiah (and yes, Jesus was lumped in there in terms of my Jewish education, and yes, I am learning new things now) I think we always have to be vigilent in listening to the message of anyone who claims to be voicing God's words. We have to remember not to detach our own brains in the possibly strong desire to be shown a way to act that will bring us redemption or peace. We also have to be open to not always recognizing at first look the
face of that voice. It may come in a shape or form, color or sex, that may not be the image we have assumed.
On the other hand, I think each of us can be open to hear God. I have had a very clear sign in my own life of a prayer being heard and acted upon, so I do believe that we have a personal connection that does not require any leader to be our intermediary.
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Dec 31, 2007, 7:19:11 PM12/31/07
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Obviously, I'm coming at this from a perspective that inclines me to
accept Jesus as the Messiah, but I'm also more and more concerned that
the message we get from Jesus has been interpreted in ways that don't
mesh with much of the Old Testament. I think that the Bible can be
used to support a lot of things, but we have a better chance of
following God's will if we use our brains to hear the New Testament
in ways that really do fulfill the Old rather than just picking and
choosing the "Christian typology" parts.
There are several books out now dealing with Jesus in the context of
1st century Judaism, including the Brian McLaren book, Garry Wills'
What Jesus Meant, and some things by NT Wright and Dallas Willard.
B
On Dec 31, 2:41 pm, Beth Rankin <sunbea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> First, I am back...thanks to Barbara for resending the link to get the Taize readings.
>
> Mon, 31 December
> In the past, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets in many different ways. But in our time, the last days, he has spoken to us through his Son.
> Heb 1:1-14
>
> Okay, I have mixed feelings about this. Having been taught about the many people who claimed to be the Messiah (and yes, Jesus was lumped in there in terms of my Jewish education, and yes, I am learning new things now) I think we always have to be vigilent in listening to the message of anyone who claims to be voicing God's words. We have to remember not to detach our own brains in the possibly strong desire to be shown a way to act that will bring us redemption or peace. We also have to be open to not always recognizing at first look the face of that voice. It may come in a shape or form, color or sex, that may not be the image we have assumed.
>
> On the other hand, I think each of us can be open to hear God. I have had a very clear sign in my own life of a prayer being heard and acted upon, so I do believe that we have a personal connection that does not require any leader to be our intermediary.
>
accept Jesus as the Messiah, but I'm also more and more concerned that
the message we get from Jesus has been interpreted in ways that don't
mesh with much of the Old Testament. I think that the Bible can be
used to support a lot of things, but we have a better chance of
following God's will if we use our brains to hear the New Testament
in ways that really do fulfill the Old rather than just picking and
choosing the "Christian typology" parts.
There are several books out now dealing with Jesus in the context of
1st century Judaism, including the Brian McLaren book, Garry Wills'
What Jesus Meant, and some things by NT Wright and Dallas Willard.
B
On Dec 31, 2:41 pm, Beth Rankin <sunbea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> First, I am back...thanks to Barbara for resending the link to get the Taize readings.
>
> Mon, 31 December
> In the past, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets in many different ways. But in our time, the last days, he has spoken to us through his Son.
> Heb 1:1-14
>
> Okay, I have mixed feelings about this. Having been taught about the many people who claimed to be the Messiah (and yes, Jesus was lumped in there in terms of my Jewish education, and yes, I am learning new things now) I think we always have to be vigilent in listening to the message of anyone who claims to be voicing God's words. We have to remember not to detach our own brains in the possibly strong desire to be shown a way to act that will bring us redemption or peace. We also have to be open to not always recognizing at first look the face of that voice. It may come in a shape or form, color or sex, that may not be the image we have assumed.
>
> On the other hand, I think each of us can be open to hear God. I have had a very clear sign in my own life of a prayer being heard and acted upon, so I do believe that we have a personal connection that does not require any leader to be our intermediary.
>
> Barbara <barbara.lad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree that God doesn't cause many of the bad things attributed to
> him. Often, though things that look bad don't turn out that way, as
> Lynn says. And God can bring good out of much of the bad stuff, even
> if He didn't want it to happen in the first place. I think that many
> of the bad things that have happened to me have helped me empathize
> with others in ways that an otherwise privileged upbringing might not
> have prepared me to do.
> Barbara
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> I agree that God doesn't cause many of the bad things attributed to
> him. Often, though things that look bad don't turn out that way, as
> Lynn says. And God can bring good out of much of the bad stuff, even
> if He didn't want it to happen in the first place. I think that many
> of the bad things that have happened to me have helped me empathize
> with others in ways that an otherwise privileged upbringing might not
> have prepared me to do.
> Barbara
>
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