Pal2ntsc Patcher With
Kym Cavrak
I managed to get a hold of a good old 1990s TV, they type of small TV all teenagers had in their room. It is 60hz compatible and I could play say my Pc-FX with no slowdown, no bars, no nothing...but being what it seems PAL only, the picture is in black and white.
16 euros sounds right, about $20usd, and its a just a converter they aren't that expensive and while you can spend 40+ euro, simply for older retro hardware, you shouldn't need to spend that much, since you're dealing with usually less than 480/576 lines of resolution so there shouldn't be latency issues which would be the big issue, I would say find something that's in your price range, but I wouldn't pay more than 25 euro ($30usd) in my honest opinion......but yeah a ntsc to pal converter box should allow you to use ntsc composite on a pal display with color intact (it decodes the ntsc signal and re-encodes it into a pal signal or vice versa) they've been around for years...
WITH the converter, it seems to "partially work". It is still a good picture and the left side of the screen has the proper colors (the default blue with white text on Atari 8-bit computers). But the right side of the screen is red ! So this won't due.
The colorburst on the console does not align with the colorburst frequency on the converter, or the converter and the TV do not align. Chances are the console and TV are good but the converter has a timing crystal that is severely out of tolerance. A few fractions of a percent is more than enough to desync the colors.
This is the thing, it looks too cheap for the required work..maybe aiming for devices built in say 2000 would be better. As to provide you any help, I can't say. Trying with another TV would be good but I have the feeling the convertor, rather than the TV is to blame. I have read a few reviews on these and overall....customers are not that happy about it. Maybe they are not designed for gaming?
A lot of cheap HDMI converters support both PAL and NTSC input signals. I'm not entirely sure how they'd handle PAL60 though. Also most of them don't offer a pillarbox option for legacy inputs, so you might have to put up with a stretched screen.
Thanks for all therefore feedback. I am definitely going to keep hunting for a better TV solution that can preferably do both PAL and NTSC, or I might just wind up with 2 separate CRT monitors in the end.
This TV was not sold in the US market (unfortunately) so for the OP and anyone in European markets will probably be More likely to come across one of these, plus I don't know if this specific model is unique to American outposts (it was bought from a American base/post exchange in Germany, it's also referred to as the BX/PX..), this tv was also serviced years ago locally, iirc picture had problems, it needed some adjustments done, but there are no pots on the back to adjust, with this tv you do adjustments through the remote ( Or a service remote? vhold, tint, h pos, etc), so you if you do find this TV you may want to have the original remote, also without it you can't change inputs (universal remotes will work but not for the adjustments afaik)
I didn't run into many converters on ebay but maybe I didn't use the proper key words. Also, I didn't want to spend too much money because well with technology you never know. I didn't feel to spend say 80 euros only to play with massive lags.
I have recieved this converter and it works but not well. Yes the pictures from say composite pc engine on my PAL only TV is in color with no flickering nor slowdown. But the colors seem poor with quite some brightnes...When I see a black screen, it's actually light purple.
Have you considered the Extron 7SC? It can take input from RGB, NTSC, PAL, and SECAM, can scale up to 1080p or 1080i with little lag, and has two RGB outputs, one through BNC connectors, the other through a standard 15-pin vga connector. I do have to fiddle with the options a little when switching from one game system/retro computer to another, but the results look much better than connecting my systems directly to my flat panel tv.
I use an LCD screen 720 for my gaming with systems such as the pc engine, pc-fx and genesis (hello pixels on lcd!!). I managed to get an hold on a tube TV but I am quite OK with my LCD for I can't afford to buy this beast you mentioned on ebay. It looks more "serious" than the device I try to use. I have no doubt the picture will look better thanks to this but I will postpone this purchase especially since I got rid of my famicom (one less old system..)
My humble opinion: yes and no. It very much depends on the movement within the scene including the amount and the type. I would always shoot 4k at 30p vs. lower frame rates. I would also always shoot 4k at 60p if the gear to do it was within my budget and was adequately portable.
Agree, the motion artifacts generated when playing 50p on a computer monitor are annoying such that even though I live in a PAL country I no longer purchase PAL cams locally but import NTSC models. When shooting under certain artificial lighting there may be a problem, I'm informed, however I rarely if ever shoot under those condition. So the 30p/60p higher frame rate is doubly attractive given my situation. And staying with NTSC across the board avoids timeline editing issues too, as you mentioned.
I do say this with the greatest respect, the cameras are exactly the same the implementation of the recording parameters is solely down to the software and thankfully some parts of it can be altered. No manufacturer would make different products for different regions when their own simple software patch can be applied.
Personally, I have found, with "action" stuff, that I cannot see a difference between 25 and 30 (both being equally poor, but many people like the "movie-like" effect) or between 50 and 60 (both being relatively much smoother than the previous).
I'm with you JemRaid. The difference is software managed. I have a Sony EX1, shoots PAL and NTSC, easily configurable in the menu. I had a Sony A7RII, likewise however when shooting NTSC with my PAL model purchased locally a nag message was in your face every time at start-up and waking from sleep mode and had to be cleared before proceeding. Annoying to say the least. Several other Sony models likewise. After checking as best I could I concluded this was a marketing decision designed to protect the higher priced North American NTSC market from cheaper Asian countries PAL grey market imports. That's my guess and I could be wrong. Whatever, the incessant nag message was extremely annoying and was the subject of several angry threads at the Sony community website, to no avail I might add. I understand that nag message is now able to be removed with a patch. As it happens, thus far, buying locally or purchasing offshore ends up being roughly the same price here so I choose to go patch free, that's all. If the price decidedly favoured local purchase and a clean patch I wouldn't think twice. There may be a warranty thing with a patch but that would not unduly bother me; I have never yet needed a warranty on a camera.
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OREI XD-1290: DVB-T to HDMI Scaler PAL to NTSC ConverterKey Features:
- Converts Any PAL (50hz) Signal to NTSC HDMI (60hz) 1080p, 4K 2K, Converts any NTSC (60hz) to PAL HDMI (50hz)
- Built-in DVB-T Tuner for PAL/SECAM Over-the-Air DVB-T channels in PAL Countries
- Supports DTV input signal DVB-T, DVB-T2, DVB-C, and ATV input signal PAL/NTSC/SECAM
- It will output in NTSC format through HDMI connection for HDTV
- It is the perfect solution for those customers that already own an NTSC HDTV and wish to take it to a PAL/SECAM country like Ghana, Nigeria, India, Germany, UK, Australia, other PAL Support countries