Romeo and Juliet DUE 10-24-12 @8:15 a.m.

[Mr. Daiss]

In Act 2 Scene 3, what is Friar Lawrence's reaction to learning of Romeo's new love and what does that show about Romeo's personality?  Do you think his reason for agreeing to marry Romeo and Juliet is a good one?  Is he overstepping his bounds here?  Defend your answer.

[kparys]

In act 2 scene 3, Romeo introduces his new love to friar Lawrence. The Frier's first reaction is that he is glad romeo has moved on in life, and finally forgotten about Rosaline. but as the frier questions of romeo's new love, Romeo is once again not strait forward with his answers. Romeo's character shows the same reaction to his new love as he did Rosaline, and he is still unsure of the relationship of love. the frier is initially angered as he realizes and is told that the one romeo is supposed to marry is a Capulet. But as romeo continues, the frier acknowledges that this could soon unite the two seperate households and goes through with the plan. I think its a good idea, and/or reson, but it is one that will need alot of persuation, and might not work. i think the frier has good morals, but he is overstepping the original standards of the houses and families. if he does this, he may eventually get killed for interfearing with the status quo. "young mens love lies"2.3.71 he believes it will work, but it might bring him harm.

[gparsons]

     I agree with everything Kayla stated. It's obvious that at first Friar Lawrence does not agree with the fact the Romeo moved so quickly from Rosaline to Juliet, and being that he knows her and her family i don't blame him. But he eventually realizes that if he does perform the marriage ceremony that the houses could unite. This would put an end to all the death the houses have caused and may continue to cause. It would also put an end to the spreading reality that one must take sides when standing between the Montagues and the Capulets. So Lawrence, thats what i'll call him, decides he should do the marriage no matter what the consequences, not just for the houses but for the fact of rue love that he can see in Romeo. However, SPOILERS, the Friar does not know that Romeo's decision will lead to a domino effect on the houses and that many will be killed in the end, even... our two starstruck lovers.

[jwestcott]

Friar Lawrence is happy when he hears that Romeo has gotten over his disappointment from Rosaline's rejection. But he now gives his concern about who Romeo is now interested with. When he hears that it is Juliet Romeo is in love with, he expresses his hopes that it may create a tolerance between both the Capulet's and the Montague's, although it would take a whole lot more, especially of heart-to-heart chats, to make the two households put aside their differences. Friar Lawrence is doing a good job, although by today's standards it would be overstepping boundaries. Remember that back then women married earlier, although Juliet may still be a bit young at this point. Friar Lawrence is almost acting like a go-between or a negotiator, as well as a counselor and everyone's friend. He shows that you don't always have to choose sides in a conflict, it isn't his conflict, although he is good friends with members of both families. Friar Lawrence's decision seems slightly irrational, seeing as how the two are still too young even by the standards of that time. Friar Lawrence could have given other possible solutions to the problem. (One would be to officially make the two engaged until they are both old enough to marry. That at least would still have the heavy effect on the families.) The marriage does not seem like it will magically heal the problem between the two households, as nothing can be resolved that quickly and easily. If Romeo and Juliet are unprepared for their parents disapproval and belittling, they could become depressed and desperate, willing to do anything (which they will, of course). This whole scene shows how Romeo focuses on one girl at a time, but will change the subject of his focus at a moments notice, being 'fickle'.

[sperry]

Friar was pretty happy when Romeo told him about his new love. He was a bit startled when Romeo said that she was a Capulet, but Friar just looked at the bright side of the story. It shows that Romeo is open about his love, maybe too open for his own good. He doesn't think before he acts much, so he is a bit reckless. It is a great idea for them to get married, but if they were to get killed for that, why don't they just run away now? Romeo is just, when you consider everything, ignorant in how serious this is. He is overstepping the boundaries with booth feet.

[rcowart]

When Romeo tells Friar Lawrence about his new love, Juliet, he is a bit undecided. Friar Lawrence is very happy for Romeo and glad that he still doesnt mope over Rosaline but he feels as if Romeo is rushing it a bit. I agree with Jonathan on how Friar Lawrence is trying to almost act as a good friend or like a negotiator. I believe that Friar Lawrence is all up for Romeo and his new love its just that he is not the biggest fan that she is a capulet. and Romeo and himself are montagues.Friar Lawrence agrees to the marriage and after the thought about the two lovers getting married he thinks that it will bring the two households together. Like Kayla says it seems like a good idea its just one of those ideas that isn't the best idea and might just topple over or as Grayson puts it a domino effect will happen and everyone will die. I think Friar Lawrence is overstepping his bounds a bit. As Kayla puts it, he seems as if he has good morals its just he doesnt know when to stop.

[jwestcott]

Steven-

-I don't believe they are 'overstepping boundaries, but I do believe they are rushing into something they haven't entirely thought out. Friar Lawrence only thinks about the good outcomes of what the marriage could mean and stops at that. He doesn't care to think of what could go wrong. While that is not exactly a boundary, it is a foolish thing to do, and in such a way.

[jpark]

I agree with Kayla when she said that Friar is happy with Romeo moving on from Roseline. but also at the same time, Romeo is not straight forward with his answer of love. I dont think he really knows what love is he just sees what's in front of him (beauty) and not know the right reason of love. He is definitely stepping out of his boundaries bc he only knew Juliet for a short amount of time and is going to fast with his relationship. They might regret marrying each other maybe since they don't know each other well and only know the "lovey lovey" side. LOL! they are going to fast! i don't agree with the marriage!!

[aletaylor]

In act 2 scene 3, Friar Lawrence is introduced to Juliet he responds happy and then questions his new love. Lawrence is glad that Romeo has found a lover other than Rosaline but also questions it because Romeo and Juliet are enemy's. Lawrence worries because Juliet is a Capulet and Romeo is in danger of getting killed but later realizes that it could bring the two enemy's together. If there was peace between the two households then there would be a lot less violence in the world . Friar Lawrence agrees with the marriage but is still a little undecided. 
                                   I agree with Kayla, the two are rushing into something very quickly and it is very dangerous what they are doing. They are pretty much sneaking behind there families backs, is love really worth that, i guess to them it is. 

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:36:19 PM UTC-4, Mr. Daiss wrote:

[hyun]

I agree with Kayla and Steven. Friar Lawrence is very happy that Romeo was over with Rosaline. He also think that it might be a good chance for 2 familes to have truce. I think that shows Lawrence's concern about 2 families and peace. Romeo is just blind by love(uggh how corny), he can't see the reality.. Just like what Steven said, he is very ignorance. He only think about his feeling and rushing everything for that feeling, which shows how he is overstepping over boundaries.

[zallen]

 Friar Lawrence's reaction when Romeo had finally found his new love was that he was happy and proud.  He was happy and proud because he had wanted Romeo to move on with his life and find a new love.  He felt that romeo needed to except Rosaline's rejection and move on.  Considering Romeo's personality, it shows that all Romeo cares about in a girl is how she looks.  He will accept any girls as long as they are appealing to him.  I think that Friar agreeing to marry Romeo and Juliet is a good choice because once they are married, that in some way the Montagues and the Capulets could finally come together and be at peace with each other.  I do think that Friar is overstepping his boundaries by agreeing to marry to young people that I think should wait a few more years before they are to get married.   

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:36:19 PM UTC-4, Mr. Daiss wrote:

[zallen]

I agree with Kayla when she says that Friar was happy to see that he ha finally moved on with his life and found him a new love instead of mourning over the rejection with Rosaline.  I also agree with Kayla when she says that Romeo is not really answering his questions fully and doesn't really get the whole idea of love and what love really means. 

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:36:19 PM UTC-4, Mr. Daiss wrote:

[dclaxton]

In Romeo and Juliet act two scene three Friar Lawrence first hears of Romeo's new love.  When he hears it he is suprised and probably happy that he has moved on from the heartbreak of Rosaline not loving him.  It shows that Romeo is very happy and loves Juliet very much.  This is shown because he wants to marry her.  I think that Friar Lawrence's reason is good for a few reasons.  First, their marriage would most likely end the quarrels of the Capulets and Montagues.  This would bring peace over Verona.  Second, I think it would help the prince rule better without having to watch over the Capulets and the Montagues at all times.

 

 

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:36:19 PM UTC-4, Mr. Daiss wrote:

[dclaxton]

I agree with Zach about the Friar being hapy for Romeo.

[wkerdasha]

I agree with Kayla and Steven that in Act 2 Scene 3 Friar Lawrence does seem happy at first about Romeo's new love and that he has finally decided that he was going to find someone else, . I think that his agreeing to marry Romeo and Juliet is a little bit risky because a fight could be sparked between the Capulets and the Montagues. The Friar does have a reason to get mad at Romeo, even though the person that he now loves is a Capulet. I think that the Friar is not overstepping his bounds because Romeo is also being a little ignorant because he thinks that being in love with a Capulet (Juliet) is ok, when it could actually get him killed.

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:36:19 PM UTC-4, Mr. Daiss wrote:

[aherndon]

Friar Lawrence’s reaction to Romeo telling him of his new love is interesting because he seems happy for him because he does not love Rosaline anymore but almost scared for him because he now loves an enemy of Romeo’s family.  This shows that Romeo does not believe in the two houses fighting and that he likes danger.  I think his decision of agreeing to marry romeo and Juliet is a good one because even though their families fight  they could still genuinely love each other.  I do think that he is overstepping the bounds a little bit because he could be killed or tortured by the two families.

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:36:19 PM UTC-4, Mr. Daiss wrote:

[aherndon]

I agree with Zach because I think that the montagues and the capulets could actually be at peace with one another.  However,, i disagree with him when he said he is overstepping the bounds because the two were too young.  This is olden times and in olden times people got married at a young age all the time.

On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:16:42 PM UTC-4, zallen wrote:

[jkramer]

In scene 3, Romeo approaches Friar Lawrence about is love for Juliet and his wish to be married to her. At first the Friar is happy for Romeo because he has moved on from Rosaline but when he learns that Romeo is in love with Juliet, he is somewhat upset. He sees that Romeo's love for women may just be in what he sees and not in what he feels. He also reprimands Romeo for crying over one girl but then moving on to another girl without fully recovering from the first. But Romeo goes on to explain that his love for Juliet is not like this but rather he feels true love for her and that he must marry her at once. This shows a slight change in Romeo's personality and that he may have found genuine love but he is still prone to make rash decisions. Friar Lawrence agrees to marry them only because he thinks that it may end the feud between the two families and unite the two houses. I think that the Friar is trying to help Romeo but he may be overstepping the boundaries. Although he may have good intensions, I think that he could eventually get himself killed for involving himself in this family feud.

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:36:19 PM UTC-4, Mr. Daiss wrote:

[jkramer]

I agree with Rachel about how the Friar is happy for Romeo and the fact that he found a new love and is no longer moping over Rosaline. Also, that  the Friar is trying to act like a negotiator and bring peace, it may eventually be harmful to him. I do think that he is overstepping the bounds a little bit and is interfering too much with the family's feud and is probably going to do more harm than good. Like Grayson said it may trickle into a domino effect and no one will benefit from it. I think that the Friar just needs to let Romeo think before he makes a bad decision.

[jocoates]

He is appalled that Romeo has gotten over Rosaline so quickly and frightened that if Romeo can forget about Rosaline so fast, that the same thing might happen with Juliet.  Friar Lawrence starts to believe that Romeo never truly loved Rosaline.  He is also very cautious that Romeo’s love for Juliet will end in the same way as the love for Rosaline ended: through pain and suffering.  In my opinion, this conversation between reveals that Romeo seems to confuse true love with the fact that Juliet is hot!  It shows that Romeo is very eager towards the idea of getting married because she is attractive.  That is not a good reason to spend the rest of your life with someone.  I think Friar’s decision to marry Romeo and Juliet was a good idea in theory, but he should have known that it wouldn’t have worked in reality.  If my daughter married a Savannah Christian Raider, I would not love the Raiders because my daughter was happy.  In fact, that would make me hate them more (if that’s possible)!  I would absolutely forbid any communication between them and my daughter.  He is definitely overstepping his bounds.  He is “prodding the beehive”.   

[jocoates]

I agree with David when he says that Friar Lawrence is happy that Romeo has moved on with his life, but I don't agree with him when he says that Friar Lawrence's decision to marry Romeo and Juliet is a good one.  I highly doubt that their marriage would cure the hate between the two houses.  Actually, their marriage will make the feud worse.  It would be convenient to the Prince if the two houses stopped fighting, but that isn't going to happen.  Romeo and Juliet's marriage will bring more conflict between the houses and more chaos.  If Mr. Taylor's daughter married Savannah Christian's principal's son, do you think that the bitter rivalry between the schools would vanish.... NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Good job, David.

[gfrick]

In Act 2 Scene 3, what is Friar Lawrence's reaction to learning of Romeo's new love and what does that show about Romeo's personality? Do you think his reason for agreeing to marry Romeo and Juliet is a good one? Is he overstepping his bounds here? Defend your answer.

In act 2 scene 3 friar Lawrence's questions are answered by Romeo in a very convoluted way. While the friar manages to get the basics of the story he may not have gotten the full story..? Lawrence is concerned for Romeo because of the differences in the two households, but he is Al's thankful for him giving up the gloom and despair that followed hi. When he longed for Rosaline. Lawrence should , in my opinion as strange as it may sound, have of told the parents in a meeting with police present as to not bring about riots and sort this out peacefully. After that it would befit them to run away and to not take up the quarrels of their parents

[mculberson]

In th parts of this act i read he tells Lawrence about his love for Julliete.  The friar is happy that Romeo has sucked up the whole deal with Rosaline.  HE is unsure about Julliete just like Rosaline.  i did not get htis far in the act but It was agood idea because they needed to be together.  No he is nto overstepping his bounds he is chasing love and wants it. And the friar was like if you want it bud go get it.

[mculberson]

I agree with with alex about agreeing with zach about the peace with families.

[gfrick]

I agree with Zachary, in that friar Lawrence may have of believed that the fight could have been peacefully resolved in the marrying of the two. He is overstepping many bounds

[kparys]

 

I agree completely with Rachael’s point.  The friar is just trying to rescue and unite the two households. He doesn’t realize that, as Grayson puts it, that it will eventually lead to the downfall of, SPOILER, him and of course… the star crossed lovers. The friar Lawrence is unaware of when to cease, and I agree, he is overstepping his original boundaries set by the “status quo” –kp of the two families as Rachael puts it, the friar is not “the biggest fan” that Juliet is a Capulet, but it is a risk he is willing to take to unite these lovers and their families. Although the biggest questions are, is the friar aware of this potential downfall? And where will this lead Juliet and Romeo? Any thoughts?

[mculberson]

Coates nice comparing theri with the two families and schools.

[kparys]

revised discussion post:

In act 2 scene 3, Romeo introduces his new love to Friar Lawrence. The Friar's first reaction is that he is glad Romeo has moved on in life, and finally forgotten about Rosaline. But as the frier questions of Romeo’s new love, Romeo is once again not strait forward with his answers. Romeo's character shows the same reaction to his new love as he did Rosaline, and he is still unsure of the relationship of love. The friar is initially angered as he realizes and is told that the one Romeo is supposed to marry is a Capulet. But as Romeo continues, the frier acknowledges that this could soon unite the two separate households and goes through with the plan. I think it’s a good idea, and/or reason, but it is one that will need a lot of persuasion, and might not work. I think the frier has good morals, but he is overstepping the original standards of the houses and families. If he does this, he may eventually get killed for interfering with the status quo. "Young means love lies"2.3.71 he believes the plan will suceed, but it might bring him harm as he did not thouroghly think it through. Although the biggest questions are, is the friar aware of this potential downfall? And where will this lead Juliet and Romeo? Any ideas or comments?

[csquires]

Friar Lawrence doesn't know what to think at first but begins to be happy about him getting over Rosaline. Romeo's personality Changed back to when he gave didn't answer questions fully and would go around the aswer for the question. I Ithink his reason to marry Romeo and Juliet is good because it will put the two families together so they would have to get along. Frair might be overstepping his bounds a little because they might keep fighting and it could get worse and like Grayson said it could cause a domino effect . I agree with all of Kayla's response is good, i really like how she said that if Romeo and Juliet get married it will unite two households.

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:36:19 PM UTC-4, Mr. Daiss wrote:

[mstroud]

Frier Lawrence is glad that Romeo has finally moved on but also seems a bit worried of him moving on so quickly from Rosaline. It seems as though Romeo us moving on to quickly , but throughout out this book so far it doesn't show much evidence of Romeo ever thinking to far into things. He usually just says or shows what he feels at the time or doesn't answer the question at all. Frier Lawrence only seems to think of the present in this situation and not the outcome of what's going to happen.

[rgarvin]

In ACT 2 Scene 3 of romeo and juliet the book introduces a new character, Friar Lawrence. When Romeo tells Lawrence about moving on from rosaline he is very happy, Lawrence then asks who his new love is and that's when it gets complicated. Lawrence like any other person with sense freaks out when he finds out that he is in love with a Capulet. He then becomes used to the idea and agree's to the idea. I think that his love for juliet is dangerous, but then again he is in love, people do stupid stuff when they are "In Love." I definately like Jonathan C. analogy.It is very relative to the story and our lives. 

[mstroud]

I agree with Jonathan w. He is happy to hear that Romeo is over Rosaline and has moved on and is showing his love for Juliet. He definitely show his feelings towards her maybe even too much. Almost Creepy if you ask me. But they only seem to look at the present and not into the future and what's going to happen.

[kdoerksen]

 Friar is very surprised and somewhat disappointed. He as that "oh, not again" attitude towards Romeo's love. This shows how often Romeo changes his mind on love. He meets a girl and thinks he will never love anyone else but then he meets another girl who loves him. I do think it is a good reason and he is not overstepping his boundaries. Boundaries were already overstepped when the families tried to murder each other. In a sense he is trying to save lives. Isn't it better to bring to people who love each other together, even for the wrong reasons, better than trying to kill someone?

[kdoerksen]

I do not agree with Coates' last comparison between the feuding families and our school rivalries. Ignoring the fact that school marriage is crazy anyway, I think a marriage would stop the family feud because you could not kill Romeo for marrying Juliet without Juliet getting angry. This would cause metaphorical ceasefire between the two families. Schools are also very different from large families and they do not make good comparisons.

[tpatten]

In the beginning of this scene, Friar Lawrence’s reaction is that he is glad that Romeo has gotten over Rosaline, but as Kayla said, he questions Romeo’s love for Juliet, a Capulet.  And yet again, Romeo gives indirect answers. Romeo is showing the same love for her just like he had for Rosaline. Friar Lawrence thinks that maybe by marrying them, it could possibly unite the houses and put an end to the fighting and death, but also worries this could trigger more fighting.  I think he may be stepping his boundaries with the houses. I completely agree with Kayla’s response.

[jnazon]

When Friar learns of Romes's love, he is happy, but still questions the relationship due to Romeos behavior being the same as when he "loved" Rosaline. He only agrees really because he see's the benefit if their love flourishes: peace between the families (more or less). Here are where he runs his expectations to high on these two young lovers to bring peace. That is asking to much and chances of success are low. He is overstepping his boundaries because of how involved he is getting. While still neutral; it might not appear that way to other, endangering the plan.  It is a plan full of expectations set to high, and when that happens it usually falls.

[taaron]

When Friar Lawrence is told that he is in love with Juliet he is happy that Romeo has forgotten about her but is not inthused about him falling in love with Juliet so fast. Since Romeo is able to go from one love to another so quickly it shows that he may not understand love as everyone else sees it.  For Romeo i think he sees love for lust instead of true love.  I actually believe that Lawrence is making a mistake marrying the two. Yes there is the possibility of the two families uniting and living happily ever after, but that would make the book dull and boring. There is a very likely possibility that when the two different households hear of the incident that it could result in a major battle between the two families that already hate each other. Even though the action could cause conflict, I think that Lawrence is still just doing a favor for his aquantance but might not understand just what could happen if and when he does.

 

I agree with zach about the first part of the question. Yes it does seem as though Romeo goes after any girl he finds attractive, but i still think that when the families hear of the marriage it could cause an even bigger separation between the two households especially since they were not even told it was going to happen before it happened.

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:36:19 PM UTC-4, Mr. Daiss wrote:

[nbowden]

Friar Lawrence is at first glad that Romeo has finally recovered from the rejection of Rosaline, but his happiness is soon followed by worry that this could potentially be really dangerous for both Romeo and Juliet. It shows that Romeo is easily impressed by girls, even though i do think the feelings he has towards Juliet are far different than the feelings he had towards Rosaline. Especially since these feelings are technically forbidden. Friar Lawrence agrees to marry them in hopes that this will finally resolve the never-ceasing problem between the Montague's and the Capulets, and it's not so much that I think this reason is a good one, but i think it makes sense and I can't see where FL is coming from, even though he is pushing his limits by letting this two young children, practically, marry each other before they even really know what the consequences of their love could bear them.

[etenney]

At the beginning Friar is happy knowing that Romeo has gotten over his heartbreak from Rosaline's rejection. Although Romeo has moved past Rosaline, Friar now has great interest in who he is now interested in. When he finds out that Romeo is very interested in Juliet he starts to think that possibly the two families could create a tolerance for each other. Although creating a tolerance for each other will take a lot of work, Friar believes it could happen. Friar is almost acting like a messenger of somewhat as well as a friend to all of them. Friar shows how he is not taking a side with anyone. Although Romeo and Juliet are very young to get married there are still other possible ways they could be an "item". This scene shows how Romeo only focuses on one girl at a time and falls very in love with each one of them. Even with the two so in love it does not seem as if it is going to fix all of the issues between the two houses. With the houses having so much hatred towards each other while Romeo and Juliet are so in love it could lead to the two young ones to do anything in their power to be together or to fill the emptiness and depression. 

[etenney]

I agree with Zach when he said Friar is happy for Romeo and proud because he wanted Friar to move on and find a new love in his life.

On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:23:43 PM UTC-4, dclaxton wrote:

I agree with Zach about the Friar being hapy for Romeo.

On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:16:42 PM UTC-4, zallen wrote:

 Friar Lawrence's reaction when Romeo had finally found his new love was that he was happy and proud.  He was happy and proud because he had wanted Romeo to move on with his life and find a new love.  He felt that romeo needed to except Rosaline's rejection and move on.  Considering Romeo's personality, it shows that all Romeo cares about in a girl is how she looks.  He will accept any girls as long as they are appealing to him.  I think that Friar agreeing to marry Romeo and Juliet is a good choice because once they are married, that in some way the Montagues and the Capulets could finally come together and be at peace with each other.  I do think that Friar is overstepping his boundaries by agreeing to marry to young people that I think should wait a few more years before they are to get married.