Re: students' new questions after e1.1
oc
Sep 16, 11:28 am
Hi, I am having trouble accessing the journal for weeks 3/4. I get
sent to a page that does not exist. Is there somewhere else I can
find it?
Liza: the message below is in the header of your post; this is odd
because you are posting
i checked, and your account is set to allow posting
also see below
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Sylvia C
Sep 16, 7:10 pm
Im still having trouble with that particular link, also the link to
research 3/4 says the same exact thing, PAGE DOES NOT EXIST!! I've
signed in and out and back in again, once again it says the same
thing.
Sylvia: the message below is in the header of your post; this is odd
because you are posting
i checked, and your account is set to allow posting
also see below
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SC/all:
what i described below yesterday happened again today. after i signed
in, it worked fine
it's looked fine to me since i posted it, but now i noticed the same
thing happened until i signed in. once i signed in it worked ok. on
another machine where i've never signed in it seems fine at the same
time. seems maybe to have something to do with not being signed in on
a machine we've signed in on before?
here's the weeks 3--4 journal reposted, too, though:
weeks 3--4 research and journal
Please work through this activity designed to assist students’
understanding of Goldhagen's thesis and argument, preparing essay 1,
and getting accustomed to the online system for the course. Don’t
panic or make this into a long or complicated project. Browse some
info on the author, and post your ideas about what you read.
1) review the beginning of Worse than war, Chapter one:
Eliminationism, not genocide
2) search online for the author’s name; many pages of matches will
return: some will discuss Worse than war while others focus on
Goldhagen’s other books and articles;
3) select one of the many matches, check any previous posts below,
choose a website not already selected by another student, read over
the info on the web page, and decide upon…
a) one point you like about the website or Goldhagen’s ideas, by your
analysis of the website;
b) one point you don't like about the website or Goldhagen’s ideas, by
your analysis of the website;
c) one point about the book or Goldhagen’s ideas that you don't
understand from the website and would like to check in the book or
research for more information on the topic;
4) check APA style for in-text citation and references page (of many
sites available, one is http://www.dianahacker.com/resdoc/ ); see also
the following site on annotated references (http://
www.library.cornell.edu/olinuris/ref/research/skill28.htm). Note that
the examples on the syllabus are organized as in-text citations in APA
style; no References page is required for e1—cite your source in ¶3 in
the same style;
5) open the word processor and prepare an APA style reference for the
review followed by your notes from 3a, b, and c above; here’s an
example:
Goldhagen, D. J. and J. J. Meyers. 2009, October 6. Worse than war:
genocide, eliminationism, and the ongoing assault on humanity.
Carnegie Council.
Transcript http://www.cceia.org/resources/transcripts/0225.html
Video http://www.cceia.org/resources/video/data/000264
a) One point I like about Goldhagen’s work is that he has created an
analytical model (5 aspects of eliminationism, how and why it begins,
proceeds, ends, and might be prevented) for studying mass murder that
he applies to many different cases around the world. Other books with
similar data might instead present historical accounts of one case at
a time then present the model in the conclusion. This way, Goldhagen
shows students how they can use his model as they research topics for
their own essays.
b) One point I don’t like about the entire topic is the attacks on
unarmed civilians. That such attacks have not decreased but increased
during the development of modern technology and government is even
more distressing. I like to hope that human beings are evolving into
better people and that each younger generation is more intelligent
that its parents. That ancient people would fear and so fight people
who looked, spoke, and behaved in obviously different ways is more
understandable to me than so many recent conflicts where massacres
have been committed within one country, over differences of religion,
government, or sometimes other aspects so subtle that not only the
rest of the world but they themselves can have difficulty
distinguishing.
c) A couple points I’d like to research more information about is
what’s happening recently with negotiations and policy on nuclear
weapons and landmines. Both of these cause much injury to civilians.
There have been efforts to ban both weapons for many years, and the
Obama administration has been involved with discussion on both weapons
and whether or not the US should continue developing them.
6) anyone who hasn’t already should join this Google group—for
nickname, please use first name and first initial of last name, for
example, Daniel G or William S;
7) post your ideas to the group as a discussion of this page--please
don't begin a one post discussion; it's much easier for all of us to
keep the messages organized by topic
8) read over the other students’ posts and reply to at least one.
Liza Roxx
From: oc <eng10...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 8:25:02 PM
Subject: students' new questions after e1.1
LizaG
Sep 16, 11:28 am
Hi, I am having trouble accessing the journal for weeks 3/4. I get
sent to a page that does not exist. Is there somewhere else I can
find it?
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Sylvia C
Sep 16, 7:10 pm
Im still having trouble with that particular link, also the link to
research 3/4 says the same exact thing, PAGE DOES NOT EXIST!! I've
signed in and out and back in again, once again it says the same
thing.
oc
Sep 16 2010 8:59 pm
Hi Profesor,
I have already joined the group. I turned in essay 1.1 and the journal
for week
1. Is there a problem with my posts?
it's odd that the google groups system puts that message in the header
of your posts since it is letting you post. mainly, with all the
glitches, my guess is that this free system sometimes limits users'
access during periods of heavy use. the situation of some of us being
able to access a certain page when others see the message page does
not exist is odd, too. there does seem to be something with not being
signed in after having been before, though. any other conclusions?
there are good features to this google groups system, but like all
others, it's not perfect. i've used different systems in the past, and
i'm also interested in others if anyone has any recommendations. sorry
for any inconvenience, and thanks for your patience.
o'c
oc
i'm scoring your e1.1s with the late classroom papers submitted 9/18.
thanks for your patience. i know some of you were only a little late
and have been waiting a long time. if you have any specific questions
before e1.3's due this week, let me know.
o'c
Akhi Hamid
oc
Sep 25, 9:43 pm
Thank you. Where do I post my essay?
MM:
reply to the discussion on the notes for preparing e1.2--or try the
new LACC Moodle site
oc
Beatriz Cerna
From: oc <eng10...@yahoo.com>
To: "English 101, online section #3226" <english-101-onl...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: students' new questions after e1.1
Akhi Hamid
Shazeda Sharmin
A) I have chosen to research New York Times because I
wanted to see if they would slant the interview of
Goldhagen for his views. I liked about this Online Newspaper source
thatit is a legitimate Online Daily News source.
I liked the fact that it was an extensive interview that was
completed , and there are lots of topic on Goldhagen and his famous book
“Worst Than War.” The journalists that interviewed Goldhagen were
objective and asked legitimate questions. They even questioned
Goldhagen on what they thought was a contradiction. In one of his
earlier works Goldhagen referred to the Holocaust as the worst case of
genocide but in Worse Than War he sites Eliminationism as the worse
case of mass slaughtering. Goldhagen said that Eliminationism is
a broader scale of genocide with five specific categories, which are
repression, expulsion, forced transformation, prevention of
reproduction, and in its extreme form exterminations. Goldhagen goes
on to explain that taking all forms of Eliminationism and all the
atrocities of the 21st century would qualify eliminationism as the
most horrific. I liked that Goldhagen continued to give rational
objective answers to all questions and agreed when he thought the
interviewers comments and viewpoints were relevant.
B) This source was really easy and fun to read, I really enjoyed reading it.
It was fun for a news article or review. On the other hand, I didn’t
like that although the Interviewers were for the most part objective
they seem to take offense to Goldhagen’s use of the phrase “the
Germans” instead of saying for example “the German perpetrators”. The
journalists felt that it gave the impression of including all German
as perpetrators. Goldhagen explained that he used the same phrasing
towards the Americans in Viet Nam, which the journalists were quick to
point out the difference being that in Viet Nam it was mainly American
Soldier’s there to fight, not people in general. Golhagen points out
that people generalize all the time, which, I thought was a weak
justification for Goldhagen. I believe his use of the German’s may
have been personalizing the whole experience for him being Jewish or
relating through his father’s experience as a Holocaust survivor.
B) Goldhagen’s Worse Than War and the in The New York Times newspaper
He speaks about the U.N. and the International community having specific
guidelines in classifying an atrocity as being Genocide and if the
groups actions didn’t fit the criteria they would overlook the
atrocity. I should research more about what are they trying to say and why they were interviewing the way they did. It will be helpful to understand the consequences more clearly.
systemic problem of the modern world” New York Times/online
Retrieved September 22, 2010 from http://www/new.york.times/