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Leroy N. Soetoro

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Jan 8, 2023, 3:24:23 PM1/8/23
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cancel-trans-promotions

A petition containing some 15,000 signatures has been submitted to the
Church of England insisting its elementary schools get rid of their
promotion of transgenderism.

School policy right now insists that students accept "their own gender
identity or sexual orientation and that of others."

The instruction continues, "In order to do this it will be essential to
provide curriculum opportunities where difference is explored, same-sex
relationships, same-sex parenting and transgender issues may be mentioned
as a fact in some people’s lives."

"The petition makes it clear that transgender affirming guidelines have no
place in Church of England schools," according to a report from Christian
Concern.

The petition was handed to the Archbishop of Canterbury by multiple
Christian parents and members of the General Synod.

According to Christian Concern, "Nigel Rowe 49, and his wife Sally, 47,
had called on the CofE to urgently scrap its 'Valuing All God’s Children'
(VAGC) guidance which provides its 4,800 primary schools with policies on
how to respond to alleged 'homophobic, biphobic and transphobic
bullying.'"

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That indoctrination plan was used by the church's primary school in the
Isle of Wight "to justify telling the Rowes and their six-year-old son
that they would be 'transphobic' if they refused to 'believe’" the
transgender ideology.

Also, Christian Concern noted, "The guidance has also been repeatedly used
by authorities and groups, such as discredited transgender lobby group
Mermaids, to justify silencing and sacking Christians who believe
transgender ideology is harmful and a clear departure from Christian
beliefs on human sexuality, especially in regards to vulnerable gender
confused children."

The Rowes went to court against the Department of Education and won a
settlement, as well as a promise from the government to change transgender
guidelines.

Now the CitizenGo petition with 15,000 names has been given to the church.

The petition objects to church affirmations that children as young as five
"should be supported to accept their own gender identity."

The Rowes said, in a statement, "The Church of England must urgently
recognize the significant concerns that so many parents have about the
dangers of transgender ideology in our schools. “Jesus strongly warned us
to protect and teach the whole truth to children."

Andrea Williams, chief executive of the Christian Legal Centre, said, "No
matter how much the Church of England would like to spin it, its Valuing
All God’s Children guidance says that children as young as five should be
affirmed if they want to identify as the opposite gender. "

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Jan 12, 2023, 4:02:04 AM1/12/23
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Here is the Biblical Truth for children and adults, especially those people claiming to be authentic Christians.

"9 Do ye not know that unrighteous [persons] shall not inherit [the] kingdom of God?
Do not err:
neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,

nor those who make women of themselves,

nor who abuse themselves with men,

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor abusive persons, nor [the] rapacious, shall inherit [the] kingdom of God".
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (Darby)
Amen!

Jeff...

Robert Marshall

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Jan 18, 2023, 4:00:08 AM1/18/23
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On Thu, Jan 12 2023, 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist <jeffhi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 20:24:23 UTC, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>> https://dailyangle.com/articles/15000-urge-major-protestant-church-to-
>> cancel-trans-promotions
>>
>> A petition containing some 15,000 signatures has been submitted to the
>> Church of England insisting its elementary schools get rid of their
>> promotion of transgenderism.
>>
>> School policy right now insists that students accept "their own gender
>> identity or sexual orientation and that of others."
>>
>> The instruction continues, "In order to do this it will be essential to
>> provide curriculum opportunities where difference is explored, same-sex
>> relationships, same-sex parenting and transgender issues may be mentioned
>> as a fact in some people’s lives."
>>

This is true: "transgender issues may be mentioned as a fact in some people’s lives."
it is a fact


>> "The petition makes it clear that transgender affirming guidelines have no
>> place in Church of England schools," according to a report from Christian
>> Concern.

This however is a lie!

>>
>> The petition was handed to the Archbishop of Canterbury by multiple
>> Christian parents and members of the General Synod.
>>
This Christian parent would disagree with the petition

>> According to Christian Concern, "Nigel Rowe 49, and his wife Sally, 47,
>> had called on the CofE to urgently scrap its 'Valuing All God’s Children'
>> (VAGC) guidance which provides its 4,800 primary schools with policies on
>> how to respond to alleged 'homophobic, biphobic and transphobic
>> bullying.'"
>>
>> WND is now on Trump's Truth Social! Follow us @WNDNews

Hmm someone's cut and paste inability (not Jeff's) gives too much away!
Google helpfully tells you "WND is an American far-right fake news website"


>> That indoctrination plan was used by the church's primary school in the
>> Isle of Wight "to justify telling the Rowes and their six-year-old son
>> that they would be 'transphobic' if they refused to 'believe’" the
>> transgender ideology.
>>
>> Also, Christian Concern noted, "The guidance has also been repeatedly used
>> by authorities and groups, such as discredited transgender lobby group
>> Mermaids,

Only according to Christian Concern. Mermaids is a charity doing
valuable work and as a cost of that they get much abused by bigots
including over their helpline :(

>> transgender ideology is harmful and a clear departure from Christian
>> beliefs on human sexuality, especially in regards to vulnerable gender
>> confused children."

No it isn't
>>
>> The Rowes said, in a statement, "The Church of England must urgently
>> recognize the significant concerns that so many parents have about the
>> dangers of transgender ideology in our schools. “Jesus strongly warned us
>> to protect and teach the whole truth to children."

It would be good if Christian Concern promoted the whole truth rather than
just their slanted view of it
>
> Here is the Biblical Truth for children and adults, especially those people claiming to be authentic Christians.
>
> "9 Do ye not know that unrighteous [persons] shall not inherit [the] kingdom of God?
> Do not err:
> neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
> nor those who make women of themselves,
> nor who abuse themselves with men,
> 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor abusive persons, nor
> [the] rapacious, shall inherit [the] kingdom of God".
> 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (Darby)
Jeff has clearly never been drunk or abusive. And as you've been told on
a number of occasions that's a dud translation in that
"make women of themselves" bit, and therefore irrelevant to this issue

Robert
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Alfred Sullivan

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Jan 18, 2023, 4:46:04 AM1/18/23
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Robert Marshall

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Jan 18, 2023, 6:00:13 AM1/18/23
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On Wed, Jan 18 2023, Alfred Sullivan <a...@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKIOSnKX96E&t=57s

Oh, I am terrified of 'your' withering insights (as you appear to be
american, maybe I should be helpful and say that's sarcasm)

You also appear to be a orange duck fart follower and vaccine
denier, that appears to firmly put you in the idiot class.

Sorry if that's too insulting, but feel free to deny my categorisation.

:)


Robert (in the hope you might now be more empathetic, educated and enlightened!)

Timreason

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Jan 18, 2023, 6:35:58 AM1/18/23
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On 18/01/2023 08:57, Robert Marshall wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12 2023, 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist <jeffhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 20:24:23 UTC, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>> https://dailyangle.com/articles/15000-urge-major-protestant-church-to-
>>> cancel-trans-promotions
>>>
>>> A petition containing some 15,000 signatures has been submitted to the
>>> Church of England insisting its elementary schools get rid of their
>>> promotion of transgenderism.
>>>
>>> School policy right now insists that students accept "their own gender
>>> identity or sexual orientation and that of others."
>>>
>>> The instruction continues, "In order to do this it will be essential to
>>> provide curriculum opportunities where difference is explored, same-sex
>>> relationships, same-sex parenting and transgender issues may be mentioned
>>> as a fact in some people’s lives."
>>>
>
> This is true: "transgender issues may be mentioned as a fact in some people’s lives."
> it is a fact
>

Yes. The problem as I see it these days is ever-increasing polarisation
of views on a whole range of issues. Instead of trying to work together
towards real solutions, warring factions continually take pot-shots at
each other from firmly entrenched positions. This happens in both
politics and religion.

It is far more constructive to try and see all points of view. I don't
personally believe in totally unfettered 'Free Speech', but I understand
some of the concerns of those who do. How many on the other 'side' are
willing to consider that some speech can actually harm others? Persuade
or encourage some to commit suicide, for example? Should we allow people
to harm others in homage to the god 'Free Speech'?

Then there are the questions of truth vs lies. I've seen many examples
where the 'Right-Wing' tells it like it isn't, when the facts don't fit
their agenda. That is unhelpful, and ultimately does nothing for their
cause. I suppose they will claim the same thing happens the other way,
too. Perhaps it does.

I was bullied at school for being on the 'Autistic spectrum', and it did
me harm and resulted in some anxiety and depression issues which I've
had to cope with throughout life. It's why I am strongly opposed to
bullying and believe it should be stamped out. I believe the best way to
do this is to promote not just tolerance, but acceptance of 'difference'
within humanity.

I am aware that it can conflict with the religious views of some, but as
a Christian I believe in the Second Commandment given by Christ, that we
are to love our neighbour as ourselves. That, surely, makes bullying and
victimisation among the worst sins of all? To do the exact opposite of
'Love thy neighbour'?

Another thing I believe is that evil rejoices in division and entrenched
positions.

>
>>> "The petition makes it clear that transgender affirming guidelines have no
>>> place in Church of England schools," according to a report from Christian
>>> Concern.
>
> This however is a lie!

Yep. Tell it like it isn't. A lot of these organisations use names like
'Christian Concern', and yet have right-wing agenda. Another example is
the grandly named 'Christian Institute', who, by that title, try to
imply that they speak for all Christians, when in fact they represent
only the views of a fringe right-wing minority.

I don't pretend to know much about transgender matters, but I can
understand that they are real and that people should not be bullied or
ostracised for something they cannot help, any more than they should be
bullied or ostracised for their skin colour.

>
>>>
>>> The petition was handed to the Archbishop of Canterbury by multiple
>>> Christian parents and members of the General Synod.
>>>
> This Christian parent would disagree with the petition

And no doubt there were also petitions submitted by those who share your
view.

>
>>> According to Christian Concern, "Nigel Rowe 49, and his wife Sally, 47,
>>> had called on the CofE to urgently scrap its 'Valuing All God’s Children'
>>> (VAGC) guidance which provides its 4,800 primary schools with policies on
>>> how to respond to alleged 'homophobic, biphobic and transphobic
>>> bullying.'"
>>>
>>> WND is now on Trump's Truth Social! Follow us @WNDNews
>
> Hmm someone's cut and paste inability (not Jeff's) gives too much away!
> Google helpfully tells you "WND is an American far-right fake news website"
>

Yep, far-right again. Right-wing misinformation spreading is woefully
common, and those with ears sypathetic to far-right views lap it up and
believe the lies, the very thing they accuse the Left of doing!

>
>>> That indoctrination plan was used by the church's primary school in the
>>> Isle of Wight "to justify telling the Rowes and their six-year-old son
>>> that they would be 'transphobic' if they refused to 'believe’" the
>>> transgender ideology.
>>>
>>> Also, Christian Concern noted, "The guidance has also been repeatedly used
>>> by authorities and groups, such as discredited transgender lobby group
>>> Mermaids,
>
> Only according to Christian Concern. Mermaids is a charity doing
> valuable work and as a cost of that they get much abused by bigots
> including over their helpline :(

Yep, 'Christian Concern' again. Like the 'Happy-Clappy' mobs who are
only happy and clappy with people they happen to approve of. They
wouldn't approve of Samaritans, would they...

>
>>> transgender ideology is harmful and a clear departure from Christian
>>> beliefs on human sexuality, especially in regards to vulnerable gender
>>> confused children."
>
> No it isn't

Agreed.

>>>
>>> The Rowes said, in a statement, "The Church of England must urgently
>>> recognize the significant concerns that so many parents have about the
>>> dangers of transgender ideology in our schools. “Jesus strongly warned us
>>> to protect and teach the whole truth to children."
>
> It would be good if Christian Concern promoted the whole truth rather than
> just their slanted view of it

But that's exactly the problem of polarisation and entrenched views.

>>
>> Here is the Biblical Truth for children and adults, especially those people claiming to be authentic Christians.
>>
>> "9 Do ye not know that unrighteous [persons] shall not inherit [the] kingdom of God?
>> Do not err:
>> neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
>> nor those who make women of themselves,
>> nor who abuse themselves with men,
>> 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor abusive persons, nor
>> [the] rapacious, shall inherit [the] kingdom of God".
>> 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (Darby)
> Jeff has clearly never been drunk or abusive. And as you've been told on
> a number of occasions that's a dud translation in that
> "make women of themselves" bit, and therefore irrelevant to this issue

Yes, and in some of those lists we get 'revilers'. Those who revile
others they don't approve of. How does that fit with 'Love thy neighbour'?

Tim.

>
> Robert

Robert Marshall

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Jan 20, 2023, 6:40:06 AM1/20/23
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On Wed, Jan 18 2023, Timreason <timr...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 18/01/2023 08:57, Robert Marshall wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 12 2023, 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist <jeffhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 20:24:23 UTC, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
>>>> https://dailyangle.com/articles/15000-urge-major-protestant-church-to-
>>>> cancel-trans-promotions
>>>>
>>>> A petition containing some 15,000 signatures has been submitted to the
>>>> Church of England insisting its elementary schools get rid of their
>>>> promotion of transgenderism.
>>>>
>>>> School policy right now insists that students accept "their own gender
>>>> identity or sexual orientation and that of others."
>>>>
>>>> The instruction continues, "In order to do this it will be essential to
>>>> provide curriculum opportunities where difference is explored, same-sex
>>>> relationships, same-sex parenting and transgender issues may be mentioned
>>>> as a fact in some people’s lives."
>>>>
>> This is true: "transgender issues may be mentioned as a fact in
>> some people’s lives."
>> it is a fact
>>
>
> Yes. The problem as I see it these days is ever-increasing
> polarisation of views on a whole range of issues. Instead of trying to
> work together towards real solutions, warring factions continually
> take pot-shots at each other from firmly entrenched positions. This
> happens in both politics and religion.
>

Thanks - yes we always need to see 'us' rather than 'them out there
Owen Jones - on what contribution do you want to make
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1616008459958231040

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Timreason

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Jan 20, 2023, 11:13:21 AM1/20/23
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Yes, that very much sums it up. AIUI the right-wing is all about control
and power over others.

Tim.

>
> Robert

1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist

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Jan 24, 2023, 2:32:38 PM1/24/23
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10
[King James Version]
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, **nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
[Amplified Bible]
"9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; [a]neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, **nor effeminate [by perversion], nor [b]those who participate in homosexuality"

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
[Legacy Standard Bible]
9" Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, **nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God".
[Footnotes
1 Corinthians 6:9 **Effeminate by perversion]

Jeff...

Robert Marshall

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Jan 26, 2023, 3:20:04 AM1/26/23
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Thank you for supporting my point, the Darby translation at that point
is a dud translation. You will, of course, note that F->M gender dysphoria
is not addressed here (or anywhere else - please don't drag(haha!) in Deut 22).


http://www.gaymarriageandthebible.com/the-effeminate-in-1-corinthians-6
is an interesting summary of the uses of malakos in other passages
from the new testament and the Greek of the period,

Whatever effeminacy means in this passage it is rather different to
M->F dysphoria.
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