Sawtooth Vs Pathfinder

[Brian Bezdicek]

Thesawtooth sabre's blade is curved like a normal sabre, but instead of a straight edge, the cutting edge is serrated, allowing deeper wounds. This grisly weapon weighs only 2 pounds12 and measures about 3 feet from hilt to point,3 another advantage for an assassin trying to sneak into and out of a guarded area.

The Red Mantis have no objection to the use of the weapon by non-members. Its presence serves as a useful reminder of the organisation's might, and since not everyone who uses one is an assassin it helps members to keep their identity secret when out of uniform.5 It is also the holy weapon of the clan's god, Achaekek,4 and featured on the flag of the Red Mantis-dominated city of Ilizmagorti.6

Was just wondering. When I asked for TWF advice a while ago, I was given the suggestion of the Sawtooth Sabre. I was wondering, why this over Kukri in a Slayer build. Power Attack was suggested, but I am not seeing a benefit from using a one handed versus a light weapon there. So when dealing with a strength build with a slayer, I was thinking the slightly higher critical range and saving yourself a feat seemed like the better idea. So could someone please enlighten me?

Additionally, have you considered your stats? You're trying to be a strength based attacker, yet your feats have very high dexterity requirements. Thus, you might actually want to go Dex based instead of Str based.

Basically, The Sawtooth Saber has +2 average damage over the kukri, so you need more static bonuses on the kukri to make up the DPR difference for the crit modifier to make the kukri pull ahead. The Sawtooth Sabre counts as a light weapon in your off hand if you have the Exotic feat Sawtooth Sabre as well. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Gwen Smith Jun 10, 2015, 08:03 am The main advantage for the Sawtooth Sabre is if you get enlarged and/or cast Lead Blades.

The secondary advantage is having the option of two-handing your weapon when you need to. This is more useful if you have Power Attack. (Side note: Power Attack is not that good on a TWF build: you still get only half the bonus on your off hand, even with Double Slice.)

I would lean against Power Attack on TWF builds, though I'm sure there's a place where it's good. The penalty to hit on top of the TWF penalty to hit overwhelms the +2 dmg. Every time I've played with a DPR calculator for TWF builds, Power Attacking with TWF results in a decrease in damage.

At the moment. The Pathfinder Unchained Stamina Unlock for Slashing Grace strongly suggests that the 2nd printing errata of slashing grace changes the feat to use a light or one-handed slashing weapon. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Charon's Little Helper Jun 10, 2015, 09:45 am Imbicatus wrote: Charon's Little Helper wrote: Said plan doesn't work with kukri. At the moment. The Pathfinder Unchained Stamina Unlock for Slashing Grace strongly suggests that the 2nd printing errata of slashing grace changes the feat to use a light or one-handed slashing weapon.

Yeah - though that makes me kinda sad. It'll make TWF dex builds the hands-down most potent in the game. (Making ways to get pounce even more important too.) AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) graystone Jun 10, 2015, 09:55 am Charon's Little Helper wrote: Imbicatus wrote: Charon's Little Helper wrote: Said plan doesn't work with kukri. At the moment. The Pathfinder Unchained Stamina Unlock for Slashing Grace strongly suggests that the 2nd printing errata of slashing grace changes the feat to use a light or one-handed slashing weapon.

it'll make monks that can deal slashing damage with their unarmed strikes happy. (and less MAD too) AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Melkiador Jun 10, 2015, 09:58 am If going with a strength build, there is a lot to be said for double weapons. As a half-orc slayer, you get proficiency in orc double axe for free.

It's two points of damage, you can eventually make that up. Or at least make it not matter as much. On a slayer, sneak attack can help with this and that extra feat enables you to bring together other feat chains like Improved Two Weapon Feint which allow you to Sneak Attack more often. Making that +2 damage from the weapon not as good.

Plus there's no way to get Agile to give full dex-2-dmg for the offhand attacks. For TWF w/ Slashing Grace it's debatable whether Double Slice is required, or if Slashing Grace does so inherently. (I lean towards yes - but based upon the wording there are valid arguments both ways.)

If you are going dex based, you may be better off to just use the unchained rogue. The main reason to go Slayer with Two Weapon Fighting is to go strength based. Sure you can do a dex based build, but you don't get anything special out of it.

you have to be a human (or half-human), and a fighter (or one of the many other classes that count as fighter for feats). start with weapon finesse, weapon focus[sawtooth sabre], and slashing grace[sawtooth sabre]... yes, those are right for the kukri build (don't bother with ewp, you'll never actually dual-wield sawtooth sabres)... at 4th level (or as soon as you count as fighter 4) take martial versatility[slashing grace]- now all light blades use Dex to hit and damage!

i know OP was looking for a Str 2WF build, but i thought i'd just throw this out there to show what is possible in Dex builds. This doesn't work for several reasons.Martial Versatility doesn't work with Slashing Grace unless you also take Martial Versatility with Weapon Focus. You need Weapon Focus as a prerequisite or you lose access to the feat. You also need ewp with sawtooth sabers to take weapon focus with them, as proficiency with the weapon is a prerequisite for the feat.

Sawtooth sabre counts as a martial weapon except for the purpose of being treated as a light weapon with 2wf, so you don't need EWP to take weapon focus if you're proficient in martial weapons (unless there's an FAQ I'm unaware of).

As for not being able to use slashing grace without a separate weapon focus... I've never seen martial versatility ruled that way before, but rereading it i can see the case for that interpretation- a second martial versatility for weapon focus solves that (and gives you +1 to hit with pretty much any weapon you'd use).

No, the idea was to do Slayer so I would do Strength TWF, thus cutting down on feat use drastically. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Imbicatus Jun 10, 2015, 08:48 pm nate lange wrote: Sawtooth sabre counts as a martial weapon except for the purpose of being treated as a light weapon with 2wf, so you don't need EWP to take weapon focus if you're proficient in martial weapons (unless there's an FAQ I'm unaware of). Well, you can use a sawtooth sabre as a longsword with martial proficency, but it would then be weapon focus longsword, not sawtooth sabre. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Imbicatus Jun 10, 2015, 08:52 pm Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote: Charon's Little Helper wrote: Also - if you wanted to go Dex-to-Dmg, you'd need to dip into Swash & wield a pair of Sawtoothed Sabres. (Not a bad plan really.) Said plan doesn't work with kukri. No, the idea was to do Slayer so I would do Strength TWF, thus cutting down on feat use drastically. For a strength build, I would go with a double weapon or a one handed weapon and cestus. Both options allow you to either two hand the weapon when you can't full attack, or use your off hand for spell casting or wand use if needed. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Seranov Jun 11, 2015, 08:58 am Scimitar + Cestus is a damn good option for Str-based TWF guys. It's not the most DPR possible, but it's effective and easy.

Weapon and Armor Proficiency

A shadow assassin is proficient in all simple weapons, all light weapons, as well as bolas, net, repeating crossbow (light only), shuriken, spiked chain, and whip. The shadow assassin is proficient with light armor and small shields, but not heavy shields or tower shields.

Sabre, Sawtoothed Category: [light] Proficiency: [exotic]

A sawtooth sabre may be used as a Martial Weapon (in which case it functions identically to a longsword).

If you have the Exotic Weapon Proficiency (sawtooth sabre) feat, for the purpose of two-weapon fighting you can treat it as a light melee weapon; for all other purposes, it is a one-handed melee weapon.

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