What's known about the Electron?

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buzneg

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Jan 13, 2007, 6:54:41 PM1/13/07
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Hi Paul, I've been trying to figure out more about the electron and why
magnetic feilds are 90 degree's to its direction. I've read through
your wiki and these topic's are very interesting:

-Intrinsic electron spin

-Electron flip

-Avalanches

and Electron Intrinsic Angular Momentum from this site
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/spin.html

Also do you have any extra working MEG's? I can sign any documents for
it, and pay for shipping, etc.


buzneg

g trump

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Jan 13, 2007, 10:12:57 PM1/13/07
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Gee,
 
buzneg does not want much, send me three of four working MEG's also
 
One day we will have all kinds of working units,
 
 
  Regards
 
 
Trump
 
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g trump

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Jan 13, 2007, 10:24:19 PM1/13/07
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buzneg,
 
I did not mean anything on the posting, but it would be very rare for anyone to just send a working model of a device like this. If it were like that, everyone would be asking for one. Sorry I reacted so quickly, I apologize.
 
Trump
 
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From: buzneg
Date: 1/13/2007 5:56:48 PM
Subject: [EM:101] What's known about the Electron?
 

energ...@gmail.com

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Jan 14, 2007, 10:41:17 AM1/14/07
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Hi Buzneg,

In such a case you can picture the electron as a planet with a magnetic
field. The planet has both north and south poles. We have all seen
pictures of the Earth and its magnetic fiel -->

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Image:Magneticmoment.jpg

Such a magnetic field from the electron is called the intrinsic electron
spin. The electron has charge, but that charge is not static by any
means. The electrons charge is spinning like the Earth rotating, which
causes the electrons magnetic field. Surely most Quantum physicists
would disagree that such detail can be attributed to the electron, but
then again I've spent too much time debating such Quantum physicists. I
have various experiments they simply cannot answer. You can simulate the
basic concept of the electron by taking copper wire and wrapping that
wire in a ball. Simply form a round ball, like a baseball, while being
certain to wrap the wire in the same rotational direction. Then pump
current through the wire. You now have a magnetic field resembling the
electron caused the intrinsic electron spin. That is a magnetic dipole
moment.

Most people think the magnetic field from iron comes from the electrons
orbiting motion around the atom. Most of the magnetic field from
magnetic materials comes from the aforementioned intrinsic electron spin.

A short segment of current flowing straight causes a circular magnetic
field around the flowing charge. As to why the magnetic field appears 90
degrees relative to moving charge is not entirely understood. Perhaps
there is a vortex around charge.


Regards,
Paul Lowrance

MeggerMan

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Jan 20, 2007, 7:32:38 PM1/20/07
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Hi Paul,
I have been reading up on how an electron can cause a magnetic field in
the wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism
Heavy stuff, and I would need a better explanation to fully grasp it.

So what you are saying in essence is that its not the orbit of the
electron but its own spinning that creates the field.

I was thinking that if the excess energy generated by the MEG causes a
reduction in the mass of the core material then 1 gram of core could
generate a very large amount of power.
e=mc^2
So thats 25,000,000 kilowatt hours per 1 gram, enough power to last one
person about 3000 years (car/home etc)

Currently just putting the final touches to the design for a TL494
based PCB for the MEG, nearly ready for artwork printing.
Its very close to the JLN circuit with the added extra feature of duty
cycle control.

Regards
Rob

energ...@gmail.com

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Jan 20, 2007, 8:13:36 PM1/20/07
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Hi Rob,

MeggerMan wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> I have been reading up on how an electron can cause a magnetic field in
> the wikipedia,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism
> Heavy stuff, and I would need a better explanation to fully grasp it.
>
> So what you are saying in essence is that its not the orbit of the
> electron but its own spinning that creates the field.

It depends on the material, but in ferromagnetic materials most of the
field comes from intrinsic electron spin. For example, 94% intrinsic
spin in Alnico 5, but only 63% in Sm2Co17. On the other hand, most of
the field from paramagnetic materials is due to orbital spin, but
paramagnetic is magnetically weak.

> I was thinking that if the excess energy generated by the MEG causes a
> reduction in the mass of the core material then 1 gram of core could
> generate a very large amount of power.
> e=mc^2
> So thats 25,000,000 kilowatt hours per 1 gram, enough power to last one
> person about 3000 years (car/home etc)
>
> Currently just putting the final touches to the design for a TL494
> based PCB for the MEG, nearly ready for artwork printing.
> Its very close to the JLN circuit with the added extra feature of duty
> cycle control.

That sounds great. As far as I can tell, you will be the first to
precisely replicate Naudin's MEGv2.1. Looking forward to it!


Regards,
Paul Lowrance

buzneg

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Feb 9, 2007, 8:56:16 PM2/9/07
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I've looked at your diagram of the electric feilds of the electron,
and have come-up with a thought as to why the magnetic feild is 90
degrees to the spine. I'll explain it here in short form.

An electron might be made-up of smaller particals like photons, just
like our scall of matter is made-up of atoms. Photons are smaller then
electrons and dark matter is smaller then photons right?

Now think of a boll of water, and spine it fast, the water in the
middle moves to the side but it also moves up, that's 90 degrees to
the centripical force (I don't know if I got the force righ--the
"outward force") This way we've got a spinning vortex and a slower 90
degree direction. The way I imagine the forces acting on the photons
fits the diagram of the electron feild. The forces are happening at
light speed, and the gravity might be a lot more per space, because
the electron might have a higher perentage of matter in it's space,
unlike objects on our scale which are mostly made-up of empty space.
This light speed combined with super gravity to counter it could be
what makes it possible.

That's a really short summary, but do you think I'm on to something,
or that it matters?

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energ...@gmail.com

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Feb 9, 2007, 9:40:09 PM2/9/07
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buzneg wrote:
> I've looked at your diagram of the electric feilds of the electron,
> and have come-up with a thought as to why the magnetic feild is 90
> degrees to the spine. I'll explain it here in short form.
>
> An electron might be made-up of smaller particals like photons, just
> like our scall of matter is made-up of atoms. Photons are smaller then
> electrons and dark matter is smaller then photons right?
>
> Now think of a boll of water, and spine it fast, the water in the
> middle moves to the side but it also moves up, that's 90 degrees to
> the centripical force (I don't know if I got the force righ--the
> "outward force") This way we've got a spinning vortex and a slower 90
> degree direction. The way I imagine the forces acting on the photons
> fits the diagram of the electron feild. The forces are happening at
> light speed, and the gravity might be a lot more per space, because
> the electron might have a higher perentage of matter in it's space,
> unlike objects on our scale which are mostly made-up of empty space.
> This light speed combined with super gravity to counter it could be
> what makes it possible.
>
> That's a really short summary, but do you think I'm on to something,
> or that it matters?


Sounds interesting. Scientists are still trying to find the size of the
electron. As for the photon, you'll get different answer depending who
you ask, but most would agree there's really no fixed size to a photon.
The two answers you'll get -->

A. Photon has no physical size as we know it.
B. Photon size depends on the wavelength.

In Quantum Physics such objects as electrons and photons really have no
resemblance to what we think as an object. It appears such objects are
wave patterns, all instantaneously connected in the 4th dimension.

Experiments such as the double slit complicate things even further. As
far as I know, the only accurate theory to interpret the double slit
experiment is by using higher dimensional physics. It seems as though
all things are connected through a higher dimension. Some call it the
4th dimension, or time.

Here's a little on the double slit experiment -->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_slit

In QM there's the wavefunction -->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_wavefunction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavefunction


Regards,
Paul Lowrance

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