Fw: TFR - LCCC - Update

[Paul Brown]

Just copying in TFR energy group people to the work that David Jonas has
done on the proposed Low Carbon Community Challenge application.

Paul
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From: "Mike Grenville" <mgren...@gmail.com>
To: <dav...@vegexp.co.uk>
Cc: "Alan" <alant...@forestrow.org>; "Tony Lewin" <to...@tonylewin.com>;
<brambletye...@yahoo.co.uk>; <pem....@tiscali.co.uk>;
<p...@gotadsl.co.uk>; <vhillfo...@btinternet.com>; "David Brett"
<dbret...@hotmail.com>; <brocas...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: TFR - LCCC - Update

this sounds like a good step forward.

BTW - I sent the email to give notice that we intend to apply but have
had no acknowledgement so far.

Mike

2009/10/29 David Jonas <dav...@vegexp.co.uk>:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> What is interesting about the data sheets found by Alan, is that cavity
> wall
> insulation appears to deliver more CO2 / £ than even virgin loft
> insulation.
> But by way of encouragement to the Village Hall Team, replacing an
> inefficient boiler scores more highly than top up loft insulation. (Ref.
> Col. U of spreadsheet, and similar results by dividing cost by carbon
> score
> on the pdf)
>
>
>
> I had an interesting proposition from our nearest bona fide listed
> insulation contractor (Skinner & Reeves, Tunbridge Wells) today. He has
> discussed our plans with a representative from their materials supplier
> (Rockwool), who is very familiar with the procedure for applying for CERT
> funding. He has a routine meeting with him on Tuesday, and wants to
> discuss
> the possibility of getting him to process a CERT application for us.
>
>
>
> Two things he would require from us:
>
>
>
> An outline of our project plan under the LCCC, just for the purposes of
> discussion / preliminary understanding
> A schedule of FR streets so that they can do a “drive by survey” of a 10%
> sample of the Forest Row housing stock, the results of which would be used
> as evidence to make the case for their CERT application (the detail of
> which
> they understand much better than we could). They’d be looking for evidence
> of Cavity Wall Insulation, which they can easily see from cursory
> examination.
>
>
>
> With CERT funding, we would be able to consider a combined offering of
> loft
> and cavity wall insulation.
>
> Our LCCC application for government funds stands a better chance of
> finding
> favour if it is matched with private sector CERT funding – a point that
> WDC
> Sustainability officer Fiona Berry made in discussion a couple of weeks
> ago.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any objection to me providing this preliminary
> information
> for the purpose of this Tuesday meeting between S&R & Rockwool, on a no
> obligation basis? We can discuss the detail at our meeting on Monday
> night,
> but the preparation will have to be done before that.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> David.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Alan [mailto:alant...@forestrow.org]
> Sent: 28 October 2009 09:34
> Cc: Tony Lewin; dav...@vegexp.co.uk; mgren...@gmail.com;
> brambletye...@yahoo.co.uk; pem....@tiscali.co.uk;
> p...@gotadsl.co.uk; vhillfo...@btinternet.com; David Brett;
> brocas...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: TFR - LCCC - Update
>
>
>
> Dear All
>
> I am seeking access to a database on housing stock energy efficiency held
> by
> the Energy Savings Trust by ward. This could give useful data on baseline.
>
> Also have obtained these costings from latest Government consultation
> which
> gives indication of relative value in terms of carbon savings per pound
> invested depending on the measures deployed. Interesting to see how
> community heating rates to individual household measures.
>
> As this is half term I have limited time to give so have asked Bro to lead
> on initial bid prep - otherwise would welcome a bit more time to prepare
> this.
>
> Looking at text to me the wording doesn't capture two key aspects 1. that
> we
> were thinking about making provision of energy use data a condition of
> eligibility, and fund repayment needs to be more directly linked to If you
> were to get free insulation would you be willing...
>
>
> Alan
>
> Tony Lewin wrote:
>
> David
>
>
>
> Good suggestion. My first thoughts are that it's fine in tone and content,
> but maybe you could add a notion of co-operation, of participating in a
> community programme to bring down FR's carbon emissions.
>
>
>
> Perhaps the questions could also include type of heating and whether the
> property is rented or owned. And maybe the last two questions would come
> across more persuasively if you asked whether the person would be prepared
> to share some of the savings he/she makes, and if so, what percentage.
>
>
>
> best//
>
>
>
> tony
>
> Tony Lewin
>
>
>
> to...@tonylewin.com
>
> T: +44 134 282 2479
>
> F: +44 134 282 2479
>
> M: +44 7768 203021
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
> On 27 Oct 2009, at 23:11, David Jonas wrote:
>
> <091027TFRLCCCSurveyRequest.doc>
>
>

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[Alan]

and here's the spreadsheet on costings I found too fyi...

Alan

[Paul Brown]

Thanks for digging that out Alan; have you any idea what the carbon scores etc mean?  I always like to see units to describe things.

 

I now agree with David's comment about Cavity WI being better money and higher energy saving than Loft, having checked. but they are both low hanging fruit and hence the first simple things to do [after the LE lights]. Next and perhaps more interesting and innovative in a TFR context might be heating controls and thermal stores.

[Anna Lydford]

Mark Rimington is looking forward to seeing us on 3 November.  He really has gone out and made radical life changes (solar, solid fuel boiler)  - some have worked better than others -so he is not just an inspiration but also a mine of experience.  He is enthusiastic to share his ideas, it would be really lovely if we could join him.
Expected in Chelwood Gate at about 8.oo so lets meet up in the village and share transport.
Who can make it? 
Anna
 

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:55:06 +0000
From: alant...@forestrow.org
To: energy-g...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fw: TFR - LCCC - Update

[Keith Obbard]

Hi All

 

I would like to join the visit to Marks place. Can I cadge a lift with someone? When & Where are you meeting?

 

Regards
Keith

 

Cherry Gardens Farm, Groombridge, TN3 9NY
Tel;  01892 863658 or 07941 578427

 

Perhaps we cannot raise the wind. But each of us can put up a sail, so that when the wind comes we can catch it.
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[Paul Brown]

Anna, and TFR people,

 

Tue 3/11 vist to Mark Rimmington's home.  I am looking forwards to it.

 

I will come in my car and will be in car park at the back of The Foresters at 7:30 latest.

 

Regards,

 

Paul

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From: Anna Lydford

To: energy-g...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:25 PM

[Rowena Moore]

Hope you have a good trip. The other one that you might find interesting (as it has a large water storage component) is at the house that is part of Tablehurst Farm, just beyond the water works.  It is also solid fuel but they have a huge water store which I don’t think Mark uses in the same way.  I’m sure Peter Brown would arrange for you to see it if people are interested.  Also of course Hoathly hill boiler if you haven’t seen it – though that is not on an individual domestic scale.

Best wishes

Rowena

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[Alan]

Hi all

Would like to join you but have another commitment Tuesday night.

Good luck on the fact finding.

Alan

[Anna Lydford]

It would be great if more people could join us.  Its only a 15min drive from FR so suggest that we meet behind the Foresters at 7.45.
Anna
 

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From: pem....@tiscali.co.uk

To: energy-g...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Visit to Mark Rimmington on Tue evg.

Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:48:34 +0000

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[Mike Grenville]

and it is 20 mins by bike from Forest Row ;-)

(sorry I can't be there)

Mike

2009/11/2 Anna Lydford <annal...@hotmail.com>:

> Its only a 15min drive from FR so suggest that we meet behind the Foresters at 7.45.
> Anna

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[Brocas Walton]

I'll be coming too.  Anna please let me have Marks address.

Regards Bro

2009/11/1 Paul Brown <pem....@tiscali.co.uk>

[Nir Halfon]

Sorry I can't come tonight...
Enjoy.
Nir

2009/11/3 Brocas Walton <brocas...@gmail.com>

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Emerson College
Forest Row

[Anna Lydford]

Sorry I dont have your phone number - we are meeting in the car park behind Foresters at 7.45. or call me and Ill explain directions - 825341
 

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:21:45 +0000
Subject: Re: Visit to Mark Rimmington on Tue evg.
From: brocas...@gmail.com
To: energy-g...@googlegroups.com

[Anna Lydford]

It appears that the LCCC project is in very good hands.  I think that a number of us have signed up to support as and when we can be useful. 
David has outlined the need for baseline data on FR housing stock and fuel consumption. I know that Hugh and a number of the energy group had started to research figures that are available from service providers, would this be useful and who has that info?

Best wishes, Anna

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[Alan]

Hi Anna

We have accessed the Energy Savings Trust database on baseline energy efficiency measures in Forest Row but would welcome receipt of any further data/info energy group members may hold as it is quite limited in its scope.

We also plan to carry out a rapid attitudinal survey of a sample of residents in the next week or so.

Best

Alan