Rice Family Connections (Are Chowan Rices Related to My Nathaniel Rice Family?)

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I’m still digesting some of the research by Frances Harper, which was shared by Tom, and thought I'd share my thoughts although I know this is not directly Phillips related info (but hope perhaps it may help you in some way or perhaps you may see something I've missed or overlooked).   I am trying to figure out if there is a relationship between the Rices who lived in Nansemond Co., VA/Chowan Co., NC in the late 1600's/early 1700's and Nathaniel Rice (my ancestor) who first appears in New Hanover Co., NC in 1728.    A descendant of Nathaniel Rice is Rice DNA Group #2 while a descendant of a William Rice who died in Bertie Co., NC in 1763 (and is assumed related to the earlier Chowan Co., NC Rices) is Rice DNA Group #13.   So, by appearances, they are not related.   However, what if this William Rice was not related to the earlier Chowan Co., NC Rices?   If not related, then it leaves open the possibility that my Nathaniel Rice was somehow related to the early Nansemond/Chowan Rices.   That is the question I'm pondering.  

From Frances Harper:

http://www.familyhistoryhouse.com/Research/Research%20A-G/Byrd/william.htm
The name Theophilus Williams is also of interest. The Bertie Co will of
John Williams written 13 Mar 1745, proved Jan Ct. 1758, Bertie County named among others wife Ann and a sons Richard and Theophilus Williams. It is quite possible that wife Ann was Ann (Sanders) Williams, sister named in the will of John Sanders 1733 Onslow Co as the will seems to indicate John Williams was her husband. However, the names of the children given in the John Sanders will are somewhat different from the names given in the John Williams will. Of course, some of the young children might have died and others were born later, but the names John Williams and Ann are also common, so I am not positive this was the right family. Ann Sanders Williams was also the sister of James Sanders. Another child named in the John Williams will was Sara Castellaw who was the wife of James Castellaw who witnessed a deed in Bertie for James Sanders. William Byrd who witnessed the will was some kin to the John Holmes/Tamar Byrd family, parents of Ann Holmes, James Sanders' wife.

However, according to http://www.greybeard.org/TMG/nagle001.htm John Williams of Bertie Co with wife Ann also had brothers named Theophilus and Richard. So I'm not sure which Theophilus Williams this was. If he was Ann Sanders William's son, he would have been James Sanders' nephew. If he was John William's brother, he would have been James Sanders' brother-in-law's brother.

According to these records, Mark Phillips, Theophilus Williams, Needham Bryan Sr, and Needham Bryan Jr held land in Johnston Co in the area now called Smithfield very near the James Sanders Sr and Samuel Smith land. I have seen some webpages that claim that Mary Bryan, sister to Needham Bryan Sr, was the mother of Mark Phillips' wife, Elizabeth Bush. Needham Bryan Sr's wife from 1753 until his death appears to have been Sarah ???/Purcell/Woodward, widow of ??? Purcell and  Samuel Woodward d 1752 Chowan who was very likely the brother of Richard Woodward of Nansemond and the uncle of Christopher Woodward who moved from Nansemond to Johnston/Wake.

Mark Phillips was named as a son in the Northampton will of Thomas Phillips 1751. Another son named in the will was William Phillips.

Response by David Brown:

My John Rice, Jr. was very closely associated with the Bryans and Smiths of Smithfield, NC.  I also  think this Tamar Byrd may be related to Tamar Green mentioned in the following deed (this Tamar Green supposedly had a maiden name of Duke, but her mother was a Byrd…I think:

Johnston Count North Carolina Abstracts: Deed Books E-1, Transcripts 2 & 3 (F-1, N-1, P-1, Q-1, R-1) 1764-1791 Vol. 2 by Weynette Parks Haun:

#75 E-1: 90: 19 April 1763. Peter Green & wife Tamer, Granville, Planter to Jesse Lane, Jo Co, Joiner, 53# 13 S & 4d proc, 590 A in Jo Co, granted by Granville 11 March 1760 to sd Peter Green on BS Sleep Hill cr, beg. at a live Oak in Theophalas Hunters lin: S254p to a pine: E360p by John Bradfords line to a pine: N254 to a pine: W by Hunters line to the 1st sta...houses, orchards etc. Peter Green, Tamar Green, Wit: William Thompson, Edward Green, Abigal Sugg.

#942 Tr-3:398: Hill to Green. 24 Nov 1769. Henry Hill, Jo Co to Silas Green, same, 20# Va., 157 A in Jo Co on the SS Walnut cr & on BS of Moses Persons br beg at a hickory in Theops. Hunters line then S400p to a pine: W63p to a pine: N400p to a white oak & hickory: to the 1st sta & is part of atract granted to Peter Green by Gravnill deed for 472 A, 13 March 1760 & conveyed by sd Peter Greeen to Jonathan Monk by deed also conveyed by sd Monk to abvove named Henry Hill & from Henry Hill to sd Silas Green...Wit: Joshua Sugg, David Wimpee, Thomas Murry. (no ct date).

I should also note that Castellaw was a surname associated with Thomas Wooten, the first sheriff of Wake Co., NC and apparent friend of John Rice, Jr.  

I’m sharing below some deeds from Chowan Co., NC, which are applicable to a Rice family who derives from Nansemond Co., VA.  How this Rice family is related to my Nathaniel Rice is a mystery (if related at all).   However, I have discovered that both families shared common neighbors in both Chowan and New Hanover – that being the Lewis family and their in-laws Dudley and Bigford.    Further below, I'm sharing Rice records from New Hanover, Craven, and Wake/Johnston as well (the Nathaniel Rice of New Hanover and his descendants who lived in Craven, Wake, and Johnston Counties are my Rice family line). 

Thanks!

David

 Chowan County, North Carolina Deed Book: C-1, 1723-1734 Abstracted by Weynette Parks Haun:

DB: C-1: 420-421. Jno. Rice to Jno. Birkett. a Deed.

19 Mar 1724. Jno. Rice & wife Sarah [x], Chowan Co., Ablemarle Co to Jno. Burkett Jr. same, {price not stated}, 220 A in Chowan pct. begining at a Black Oak in Garrett's line and runing by a line of markd trees to a Pine in the Great Meadow & then along the line of the Pattent hereafter mentioned to a Pine in the head of Fox Branch yn along the branch 40 pole yn South 92 pole to a Gum Chrs. Dudley's corner tree yn along his line to a Pine another corner tree of Dudleys then along Garrett's line to 1st. sta. sd 220 A being part of a pattent Thos. Roberts for 566 A dated 11 Nov. 1720 & by sd Roberts sold to Jno. Pettiver...Wit: Richd. Boarman, Edwd. {W} Word. Adkd. 21 April 1724 by Jno Rice & by a PoA from wife Sarah pvd. by Edwd. Rice did adk. her right of Dower...C. Gale C.J.

Note by David:  Christopher Dudley was son-in-law of William Lewis whose children later show up owning land near Nathaniel Rice in New Hanover Co., NC.   In fact, the two families purchased/sold land from each other.   Here’s a transcript of the will of William Lewis:

 

BEAUFORT COUNTY Will of Willliam Lewis - will 1731/2: 

Daughters: Elizabeth Sinclare, Mary Dudley, Magdalen Bigford, Edy Benson. Sons: William and Solomon. Wife and Executrix: Mary. Executor: William Lewis (son). Witnesses: Ed. Smith, John Herbert. Proven before George Burrington.

 

Additiionally, Pettiver associated with Bozeman family, which had ties to Wilson family of Nansemond & Surry.

 

Chowan County, North Carolina Deed Book: C-1, 1723-1734 Abstracted by Weynette Parks Haun:

DB: C-1: 422. Sarah Rice to Jno. Rice a Lre. of Attorney. 21 Apl 1724. Sarah {X} Rice appoints her husband her attorney to ack. 220 A to Jno. Burkett Jr...Wit: Edwd. Rice {j}, Judeth {_}Rice. Pvd. 21 Apl 1724. C. Gale C.J.

 

 

Chowan County, North Carolina Deed Book: C-1, 1723-1734 Abstracted by Weynette Parks Haun:

DB: C-1: 433-434. Rd. Berryman to Jno. Rice. A Deed

31 Mar 1724. Rd. {P} Berryman & wife Martha {M}, Albemarle Co. to John Rice same, {no price} 200 A in Chowan pct. on the North side of Warreek Swamp begining at a branch that runs the sd Berrymans plantation by his now Dwelling house runing up the branch to the head then along a line of markd trees to Thos. Hobbs line and along his line to a White Oak a Corner tree of Thomas Roberts then S126 pole to a White Oak a corner tree of Thos. Garrett's Jr. Northerly 26 pole to a Pine then Southerly 106 pole to a Pine Southerly 60 pole to a White Oak a line tree of Thos. Garrett's Sr. N43Et. 50 pole to a Red Oak then S65Et. 180p to a White Oak by the Swamp side then down sd Swamp by various courses to 1st. Sta...Wit: Jno. Williams, Edwd. Rice. Ackd. Oct Ct 1724. Rt. Forster C.C.

Note by David:  Is this the same John Williams who married Ann Sanders?

 

Chowan County, North Carolina Deed Book: C-1, 1723-1734 Abstracted by Weynette Parks Haun:

23 March 1724 DB: C-1: 436-437. Jno. Rice to Rd. Berryman Assignmt. of deed for a 100 A formerly purchased of the sd Berryman by deed 10 Jul 1718

7 Apl 1724. Jno. Rice, NC to Richard Berryman, same, all my right title &c. fo the within mentioned land...Wit: Jno. WIlliams, Edwd. Rice. Adkd. Oct Ct 1724. Rt. Forster C.C.

 

 

Chowan County, North Carolina Deed Book W-1 1729-1738 Abstracted by Weynette Parks Haun:

DB: W-1: 204-205. {torn} Spivey a Deed Regd. 7th Feby. 1732

20 Oct 1729. Abrm. Hill & wife Judah of the {torn} and pct. of Chowan {torn} to Jacob Spvey {Spivey}, same, {price torn} 100 A in Perquimons pct. at a place known as Bear Swamp near the Punch Bowl and joyning on the land of Saml. Pagette being part of a Patent to Wm. Jones of Chowan pct. for 640 A, 27 Nov 1727 & by sd Wm. Jones sold to sd Abrm Hill...Abra {torn}, Judah {torn}. Wit: Thos. Rountree, Wm. Rice.

 

 

Chowan County, North Carolina Deed Book C-2, 1738-1740 Abstracted by Weynette Parks Haun:

DB: C-2: 122. Jno. Perrey to Abraham Hill. Deed.

26 Jul 1740, John Perr{e}y, Bartie Co. to Abraham Hill, Chowan Co., 55 Pounds, 100 A in Chowan part of a greater tract formerly taken up and patend by Edward Homes & Jno. Rice of Nancemond as by their patent dated in 1695, begining at a markd Pine standing in or nigh a Certain Branch thence runing with a line of markd trees & bounded thereon untill it meets the old dividing line & bounded between afsd Edward Homes & abovesd Jno. Perrey from thence the dividing line & bounding untill it meets the head line of the pattent from thence runing sd line & bound by the same untill it meets or comes to the afsd branch from thence runing down sd branch & bound by same untill it comes to 1st. Sta...Jno. Jones, James Wiggins. Pvd. 15 Apl 1741. W. Smith CJ.

 

 

Chowan County, North Carolina Deed Book: H1-1, 1754-1758 Abstracted by Weynette Parks Haun:

DB: H-1: 101. Hill to Granbury

8 Dec. 1756. Abraham Hill & wife Judeth to Josiah Granbury. all of them of Chowan Co. 95 Pounds Va. all them two tracts of dividends & parcels of land that is to say that 100 A which sd Abram purchased from John Perry of Bertie Co., beginning at a marked Pine standing in or near a certain branch thence running by a line of marked trees till it meets the old dividing line made between Edward Homes & John Perry so along sd dividing line till it meets the head line of the patent thence along sd head line till it comes to the sd branch thence down sd branch & bounded thereon to the first station & is a patent granted to Edwaed Homes & John Rice dated 1695;

also 91 A which was sold by John Rice to Henry Hill Father of sd Abraham but the same being surveyed there appeared to be 200 and acres {sic} for which sd 200 & twenty A sd Henry Hill obtained a patent dated 11 Jul 1719, beginning at a stake by the side of a branch called the Mirey Branch & runs thence So.130p to a stake thence S81W304p to a Poplar standing at the mouth of the Meherrin Swamp thence up Bennets Creek according to the various courses thereof to the mouth of the afsd Mirey Branch thence up the same according to the various courses thereof & bounding thereon to the first station, which sd two parcels lies situated in Chowan Co. adjoining each other & contains in the whole 320 A...Wit: Edwd Reddick, Henry Hill, Abram Hill. Adkd 13 apl 1757 before Peter Henly C.J. Regd 15 Apl 1757. G. Disbrowe Reg.

Note by David:  Is this the same Henry Hill who shows up in Johnston Co., NC records???

 

Abstract of North Carolina wills by North Carolina. Secretary of State by J. Bryan Grimes:

RICE, EDWARD.

Bertie County.

December 8, 1752. May Court, 1753. Son: JOHN. Daughters: MARY and BETTY RICE. Wife and Executrix: ANN. Executor: THOMAS SLATTOR. Witnesses: JOHN COKE, SR., JAMES HAIR, WALTER and ELIZABETH JOANES. Clerk of the Court: BENJAMIN WYNNS.

 

 

Abstract of North Carolina wills by North Carolina. Secretary of State by J. Bryan Grimes:

RICE, JOHN.

Chowan County.

May 20, 1745. January Court, 1753. Wife: SARAH. Brother and Executor: EDWARD RICE. Witnesses: HARDY HURDELL, BENJAMIN BERREMAN, THOMAS ROWNTREE. Clerk of the Court: JAMES CRAVEN.

Note by David: No mention of anyone named Nathaniel Rice here.

 

Note by David:  The following records are from New Hanover Co., NC as transcribed from:

Rice, Hasell, Hawks and Carruthers Families of North Carolina, by Elizabeth Moore

Bladensburg, Maryland 1966

 

Rice Deeds from New Hanover Co., N.C. - Contributed by Ida Brooks Kellam

 

30 March 1728 DB AB-10:  John Rice to Roger Moore.  1000 acres on New Topsail Sound..."Which land was taken up before the arrival fo the Lords Proprietor's orders forbidding the sale of lands."

 

30 March 1728 DB AB-15:  John Rice to Roger Moore - 500 acres in Bath County "on the head of a branch of Cheese Cake Creek against Rocky Point."...Land was "taken up before the arrival of the Lords Proprietors' orders forbidding the sale of Land."  Grant signed by R. Everard, J. Lovick, C. Gale, E. Gale, E. Moseley, T. Harvey, J. Worley, R. Sanderson.

 

No Date DB AB-44:  John Baptista Ashe, Esq., of Bath County, to Nathaniel Rice of Bath County, 320 acres in New Hanover Precinct on Cape Fear RIver  "in the fork of Old Town Creek."  Part of a Patent to said Ashe dated 21 Dec. 1728.   Witnesses:  Joseph Watters, Nath. Rice, Senr., Ed. Smith.

Note by David: Apparently, there were two men named Nathaniel Rice in New Hanover Co., NC in 1728?

 

25 March 1735 DB AB-214:  John Hill of Bladen Precinct in Bath County, to Nathaniel Moore, 640 acres on Old Town Creek joining Mr. Ashe, Robeson's Edward Smith, Potter's and Mr. Nathaniel Rice.  Witnesses: James Hasell, Susanna Hasell.

 

6 Sept. 1735 DB AB-131:  Grant from King George II to Nathaniel Rice, Esq., 300 acres in Bladen Precinct between two tracts of land belonging to said Rice.   One joining John Clayton's line and the other joining Edward Mitchell's land.

 

6 Sept. 1735 DB AB-129:   Grant from King George II to Nathaniel Rice.  640 acres in Bladen County, joining lands of Edward Mitchell.   Signed by Gab. Johnston.

 

6 Sept. 1735 DB AB-130:  Grant from King George II to Nathaniel Rice, Esq., 640 acres in Bladen Precinct on south side of North West Branch of Cape Fare River, beginning at John Clayton's lower line.   SIgned by Gab. Johnston.

 

20 Feb. 1736 DB AB-177:  Grant to John Lewis, 300 acres on Old Town Creek joining William Lewis and N. Rice, etc.  Note by David:   Is this the same William Lewis who had brother-in-law Christopher Dudley, neighbor to a John Rice in Chowan Co., NC?

 

7 March 1736 DB AB-76:  William Lewis, Gent. of New Hanover Precinct, to Solomon Lewis, Gent. of same place, 120 acres in Bath County in the fork of Old Town Creek.   Witnesses:  Jno. Rice, Jno. Leach.

 

7 March 1736 DB AB-26 & 27:  "Nath. Rice, Esq., of Newhanover Precinct" to Robert Potter of New Hanover Precinct, carpenter, 25 acres in New Hanover Precinct on main Branch of Old Town Creek, joining lands of said Potter.   Signed in the presence of John Montgomery and Jno. Rice.

 

6 Feb. 1737 DB AB-118:  James Robison of New Hanover Precinct to Nath. Rice, Esq., his share for one-half interest in a negro man named Adam, which said negro formerly belonged to Robert Potter deceased.   Witness:  Ar. Hamilton

 

27 Feb. 1737 DB AB-128:  James Robinson, Weaver of Cape Fear, appointed his wife, Agnes Ann Robinson, his attorney.  Witness: James Hasell, Martha Watters, Hannah Rice.  Note by David:  Is Hannah Rice the same person as Anne Gibbs who married Nathaniel Rice in 1726 at St. Clements Dane’s Cathedral in London, England.   The parish register calls Anne “spinster” (she was born in 1694 according to the House of Lords document dated 1709) and the register calls Nathaniel a “bachelor.” Is Anne Gibbs Rice the mother of John Rice, the only known son of Nathaniel Rice???   Anne Gibbs father was a Governor of “Albemarle” in 1689-1690, but was forced to flee to England in the early 1690's.   Anng Gibbs mother was a granddaughter of Thomas Pride of “Pride’s Purge” infamy during the English Civil War and a great-niece of Gen. George Monck who was the leader of the Restoration of King Charles II to the English Throne in 1660.  Anne Gibbs sister was Mary Gibbs who married Martin Bladen.   House of Lords document helps prove these relationships (the Gibbs & Pride families sued the Earl of Bath).

 

4 March 1737 DB AB-129:  James Robinson of Cape Fear to Nath. Rice, Esqr., personal property.

 

8 March 1736/37 DB AB-130:  Grant from King George II to Nath. Rice, Esq., 640 acres in New Hanover Precinct on a Fork of Old Town Creek, joining land of Jeremiah Bigfurd.   Signed by Gab. Johnston.

Note by David:  Jeremiah Bigfurd was another son-in-law of William Lewis.

 

8 March 1736/37 DB AB-130:  Grant from King George II to Nath. Rice, Esq., 320 acres in "Hanover Precinct", joining said Rice's plantation whereon he now lives.

 

24 April 1737 DB AB-51:  John Lewis, planter of New Hanover Precinct, to Mr. John Rice, Gent., of New Hanover Precinct, a plantation on a fork of Old Town Creek, lands joining William Lewis.   Witness:  Soloman Lewis, Alex'r Straughan.

 

12 May 1737 DB AB-62:  Jeremiah Bigfurd of New Hanover Precinct, planter, and Magdalen his wife, to Nath. Rice, Esqr., 220 acres "at a place called Winnebah" on a fork of Old Town Creek.  Land joining said Nath. Rice, Robert Potter and William Lewis.   Witness:  J. Rice, Josi Bell, Mary (x) Bell.  (Note by Mrs. Moore:  This is the general location of the Nathaniel Rice house and the creek near the house site is now known as Rice's Creek.) 

 

23 June 1737 DB AB-204:   Richard Mullington, planter of North Carolina, to John Rice, of New Hanover Precinct, Gent., a plantation containing 640 acres, on the Sound in New Hanover Precinct.  Witness:  James Shirley, Comfort Davis, Solomon Lewis.

 

12 Dec. 1737 DB AB-116:  Nath. Rice, Esqr., of Bath County, to William Lewis, of same county and precinct of New Hanover, planter, 10 acres in New Hanover Precinct, being a part of a tract whereon said Rice now lives.   Witness:  Jno. RIce, Ann (x) Robinson.

 

21 Jan. 1737/38 DB AB-178:  John Lewis assigned grant of 300 acres on Old Town Creek joining William Lewis and N. Rice, etc., which he received 20 Feb. 1736, to Josiah Bell and his heirs.   Witness:  J. Rice, Sol. Lewis.

 

23 Jan. 1737/38 DB AB-178:  Josiah Bell assigned the above property to John Rice.   Witness:  William Lewis, Sol. Lewis.

 

13 June 1738  DB AB-178:   J. Rice assigned the above property to Nath. Rice, Esqr.  Witness:  Alex'r Glass, Henry Cooper.

 

28 March 1738 DB AB-204:  David Roach of Bladen Precinct, planter, to Jno. Rice of New Hanover Precinct, Gent., 320 acres.  Witness: Edward Jones, Sam Baker, Solomon Lewis.

 

17 April 1738 DB AB-176:  John Rice of New Hanover Precinct to Nathaniel Rice, Esqr., of same Precinct, 300 acres on Old Town Creek joining William Lewis and N. Rice, as by Patent dated 20 Feb. 1738.   Witness:  Robert Potter and John Potter.

 

13 June 1738 DB AB-176:  Patrick Doram assigned his property rights to John Rice.   Witness:  Ar. Hamilton.

 

13 June 1738 DB AB-176:  John Rice assigned the above property to Nathaniel Rice, Esq.  (Note:   Doram's deed from J. Lewis is recorded in Folio 234.)

 

13 Sept. 1738 DB AB-205:  John Rice of New Hanover Precinct, Bath County, Clerk, to William Lewis of the same place, Planter, 640 acres in  New Hanover Precinct on the north east side of Cabbage Inlet Creek.   Witness: John Leay, William Dry, Junr.

 

13 Sept. 1738 DB AB-206:   John Rice of New Hanover Precinct, Bath County, to Sol. Lewis, planter of same palce, 320 acres on Cabbage Inlet Sound, joining Richard Mullington.  Witness: John Leay, Edward Scott.

 

1 May 1747 C-126:  John Ashe of New Hanover County to Nathaniel Rice, Esqr., 320 acres on the fork of Old Town Creek "which land was granted to my father John Baptista Ashe," in 1728.   Witness:  Samuel Swann, Henry Hyrne, Francis Veal.

 

17 Nov. 1747 C-145:   James Reid of Charles Town, South Carolina, Berkley County, merchant, appointed Mr. William Gray, merchant of same place, his attorney, to collect money due him by Mr. John Rice, son of Honb'l Nathaniel Rice, Esqr., GEnt., in North Carolina.   Signed in Charles Town, S.C. Witness: James Rutherford, Rice Price.

 

15 July 1748 C-173:  Alexander Gordon, Esq., of Charles Town, South Carolina, appointed Francis Davis and William Mackenzie, merchants of Wilmington, N.C., his attorney to collect from John Rice, GEnt., of North Carolina, money due from a cargo of Oranges.   Witness:  William Duthley, Maurice Harvey

 

27 May 1751 D-54:  William Hedges, Gent. of Cecil County, Maryland, appointed William Faris and John Rice, Gents., of North Carolina, his attorneys to collect all debts due him, especially from Mr. James Campbell of Wilmington for 60 lbs. he owes me for six years rent of a hosue an dlot in Wilmington.   Witness:  Elinor Dagnin (?), Philip Smith

 

18 Jan. 1763 E-238:  John Davis, Senr., Gent., to Robert Howe, Esq., of Bladen County, 320 acres on Old Town Creek about one-half mile above the Thomas Hill plantation.   Said land was a grant to John Rice the elder, then to William Dry, Senr. from whom it descended to William Dry the younger who sold it to John Davis, Senr.

 

 

The following records are from Craven County, N.C and, unless otherwise noted, derived from Elizabeth Moore's book:

 

1 Feb. 1744 BK 3-202-3:   Francis Stringer, Esq. to John Rice for 500 Lbs. Current Bill money, a tract in Craven County, known by thename of Doctor's Folly, on the south side of Neuse River about two miles from New Bern Town and adjoining the land of Eleazer Allen, Esq., 220 acres more or less, bounded as folllows:  Beginning at a white oak at mouth of a branch it being the tree that parts his land from the said Allen's land, etc...including the Pond Pecosin from thence to first station.   Signed by Francis Stringer.   Witness:  Charles Adams, Francis Mackilwean.   March Court 1745/6 then was the within deed acknowledged in open court by said Francis Stringer.   Reigstered by John Rice, Reg.

 

548. Feb. 22, 1746 Jeremiah Murphy, planter (Craven Co) to Richard Nixon {or Nixson}, gentleman (same); for 200 Pounds NC money sold 110 ac on N side of Trent R; border: begins at a white oak on Canoe r, joins a spring branch & Farmer; part of land where William Tarmer formerly lived & now "belonging" to said Richd Nixson.  (signed) Jeremiah Murphy; (witness) Jno Rice & Sarah Rice; wit. oath Mar. 1745/6 by Jno Rice; book 401.2 p. 338."   From "Abstracts of Deeds Craven Co., NC 1728-1761" by Dr. A.B. Pruitt:  "March court 1745/6 {writtten at top of p. 338} (Note by David:   This deed mentioning both John Rice and Sarah Rice most likely implies that John Rice's wife was Sarah Carruthers, daughter of John Carruthers whose will mentions daughter Sarah Rice).

 

20 March 1746 Grant Bk. 2, page 101:   John Bryan and John Rice, a tract of land, 640 acres on North side of Neuse River, beginning at a stake at the mouth of Creek, etc., to said John Bryan and John Rice forever as of our Manor of East Grenich in the County of Kent.  Signed by Gab. Johnston.

 

17 Feb. 1749 DB 2-434:   Commissioners of New Bern convey to John Rice for 20 shillings, Lot No. 62 in Town of New Bern.   Witness:  Phil. Smith, Jere. Vail.   Commissioners:  Joseph Balch, John Carruthers, John Bryan.   Proved 2 Oct. 1750.  James Hassell, C.J.

 

17 April 1750 DB 2-601:   Commissioners to John Rice, Lots Nos. 226, 383, 384.  Witness:  Lewis Bryan, Richard Daves.  Commissioners:  Joseph Balch, John Carruthers, John Rice.

 

10 May 1750 DB 7-226:  John Rice to Mary Moore, for 100 pounds proc. money, Lot No. 272 in New Bern, whereon John Grandin built a store House, etc.   Witness:  John Snead, Southy Rew.  Proved in May Court 1753, Sol. Rew, Clerk.

 

6 Sept. 1750 DB 2-325:  John Rice to Samuel Lawson, for 100 pounds proc. money, Lot No. 275.  Witness:  Andrew Scott, David Palmer, James Falconer.  Proved in February Court 1758.  Peter Conway, CC.

 

29 Sept. 1750 DB 1-474:  Francis Hodges of Craven County to John Rice for 100 Lbs. bill money, a tract of land situate in Johnston County on the North side of Neuse RIver, and North side of Stoney Town Creek, being the whole of a Patent granted to Francis Hodges 18 Nov. 1748, excepting 50 acres sold to Benjamin Blackledge in the year 1749, as by patent for the whole of the above lands being 1962 acres in Craven County as then called and the record of Secretary's office will more full appear.   Witness:  Charles Young, John Carruthers.  Acknowledged March Court 1750.

 

27 May 1751 DB 9&10-p. 361:  William Hedges of Cecil County, Maryland, gives Power of Attorney to John Rice fo Craven County, N.C., empowering said John Rice and William Faries of Cape Fear to recover sundry sums from one James Campbell of Wilmington, Cape Fear.  Witness:  ELinor Duguid, Phil. Smith.  Proved by oath of Phil. Smith, 8 May 1752.  James Hasel, C.J.

 

2699. Oct. 26, 1751 Joseph Balch, Charles Adams, James Davis, & Jos Carrutehrs, commissioners for New Bert to Philip Smith; for .20 Pounds sold .5 ac in Lot #121 in New Bern; border: begins at John Rice’s lot #120Abstracts of Deeds, Craven Co., NC, Books 6, 7, 8 & 9-10, 1750-1758. Whitakers, NC: A.B. Pruitt, 2005.  Call Number: R NC 929.3 CRAVEN P  Craven County Deeds (Book 7, Page 162) (Note by David:  Lot #120 is sold by his son John Rice, Jr. of Johnston Co., NC in 1808)

 

8 Nov. 1751 DB 7-36:  John Grandin to John Rice for 150 Lbs., parts of Lots Nos. 272-273, in New Bern.  Witness:  Jere. Vail, James Durham.  Proved November Court 1751.  Phil. Smith, CC.

 

28 March 1752 DB 7-287:  John Rice conveys to William Wickliff, for 140 Pounds, a tract of alnd commonly called Doctor's Folly and adjoining land of Eleazer Allen, Esq., dec'd, and being the plantation whereon the said John Rice now lives, and also one lot in New Bern No. 62.  Witness:  Jno. Snead, John Carruthers.  Proved May Court 1753.   Sol. Rew, CC.

 

1752 DB 7-110:  John Rice, Gent., to Joseph Hall, 640 acres on South Side of Neuse River, beginning at a white oak on Mirey Branch near the mouth of Horse Branch.  Witness:  Jere. Vail, Joseph Hall, Jr. Proved May Court 1752.

 

23 May 1752 DB 7-132:  Robert Moore of the Town of New Bern to John Rice and Joseph Carruthers, Lot No. 247 in New Bern.  Witness:  George Pheney Lovick, Southy Rew.  Proved August Court 1752.

 

21 March 1753 DB 6-128:   John Rice and John Carruthers, Merchant, to Cason Brinson, for 35 Lbs. proc. money, part of Lot No. 247 in New Bern, with houses and gardens, etc.  Witness:  Thomas Tuten and John Grimes.  Proved February Court 1754.  Sol. Rew, CC.

 

20 Nov. 1753 DB 21-47:  Mary Moore to John Rice, for 100 Lbs. Proc. Money, Lot in New Bern, No. 272 and No. 104.  Witness:  Christian Caswell, Joseph Leech.  Proved 22 Nov. 1753.

 

22 Nov. 1753 DB 6-267:  John Rice, Gent., to Thomas Lovick of Carteret, Lot No. 272, and is lot whereon John Grandin built a store house.   The other lot at the corner of Pollock's lot (243), one-half acre whereon William Sitgreaves now keeps a store and is known as No. 104, and conveyed to said John Rice, by deed 10 May 1753, and sold to Mary Moore by deed 20 November 1753, and sold and conveyed to said John Rice, refeence to the several deeds above recited being had.   Witness:  John Snead, Charles Cogdell.  Acknowledged May Court 1754.  Sol. Rew, CC.

 

13 Oct. 1756 DB 9&10 - p. 282:  John Benson to John Rice, for 50 Lbs. Proc. money, 640 acres on Vine Swamp in Craven County.  Witness:  Sarah Rice, James Graves. Proved November Court 1756.  William Powell, CC.

 

16 Feb. 1758 DB 9&10-460:   John Rice to Margaret McKinna, Spinster, for 65 lbs. proc. money, a tract of land 640 acres, running etc.  to survey for Thomas Sprigg, which land was granted to Joseph Hannis by patent 29 August 1730 and by Joseph Hannis acknowledged to George Linnington (Note by David Brown - Should be Lillington), and by said Linnington (sic) by last will and testament devised to his daughter Christian Linnington, who together with James Alston, her husband, assigned to John Benson, etc.  Witness:  Francis Brice, Benj. Doty.  Proved in open Court.  William Powell, CC.

 

13 May 1758 DB 2-189:  John Norwood to John Rice, for 5 lbs. proc. money, land in Craven Couty between William Herritage and John Bryan, Esqr., 138 acres.  Witness:   Jacob Blout, Joseph Carruthers.  Proved August Court 1758.  Peter Conway, CC.

 

9 May 1764 DB 11-396:  John Rice, Gent., to William Dry of Cape Fear, for 150 pounds proc. money, 196 acres on the North side of Neuse River, and North side of Horyton Creek, and another tract for 640 acres on North side of Neuse River.  Witness:  Robert Ellis, John Daves.  Proved 11 May 1764 before Charles Berry.  Reg. May 1764.  Peter Conway.

 

3 April 1764 Bk 12&13-p. 103:   William Powell, Gent., for 5 shillings, to Penelope Rice, daughter of John Rice, a negro wench Flora.  Witness:  James Hancock, Charles Crawford.  Proved April Court 1767.

 

3 April 1764 Bk 12&13-p. 104:   William Powell, Gent., to Elizabeth Rice, daughter of John, for 5 shillings, a negro girl Warsaw.   Witness:  James Hancock, Charles Crawford.  Proved April Court 1764.

 

16 May 1764 Bk 12&13-p. 280:  John Rice, Gent., of Craven County, to Peter Starkey, Jr., of Onslow County, who hath intermarried with Cartherine Wickliff, one of the daughters of William Wickliff, late dec'd of Craven County.  Whereas, by an indenture dated 8 March 1752, between John Rice and William Wickliff for a consideration of 140 Lbs. lawful money of Great Britain, etc., John Rice conveyed a tract of land called Doctor's Folly, on the South side of Neuse River, near New Bern Town, adjoining the lands of Eleazer Allen, Esq. dec'd, 200 acres, being a plantation where said John Rice lived;  also lot and house No. 62, New Bern, N.C. Witness:  Fred Jones, Willoughby Bartlett.  Reg. July Court 1765.  Peter Conway, CC.

 

13 March 1783 Bk 24-301:  Penelope Rice, Spinster, for love and affection conveys to Mary Murphy, all right etc. in property which I may have under last will & testament of Bridget Murphy, 19 March 1763.   (The will of Bridget Murphy, probated June  1775, named legatees:  Cousin Mary Murphy, Penny Rice, Benjamin Mewes.  Executors:  John Rice and Daniel Simmons (died before will was proven).  Executors renamed Thomas Murphy and John Hawks.)

 

23 Feb. 1784 Bk 25-113:  John Rice, eldest son of John Rice, late of Craven County, to Spyers Singleton, a lot conveyed by Richard Cogdell, Sheriff, to Jno. Cliterell, etc. (No. 273)   Witness:  J. Ellis, Van Schellebeck.

 

Other Craven Records:

To the Worshipful Court of Craven County in the Term of March, 1769:   Out of the Good Oppinion which I have of the Integrity of Mr. Richard Cogdell, I do hereby desire that the Court would appoint him the said Richard Cogdell Guardian of my Son John Rice and Daughter Mary Rice, if they the said John and Mary, do chuse him for their Guardian, of their part of and Estate under the Last Will and Testament of my father Nath. Rice, Esq., Dec'd.   Given under my Hand the 18 of March 1769.  Jno. Rice.

 

Craven County, N.C. by Benjamin Heron, Esq., Secretary and Clerk for the said Province, to John Rice, Jr., Gent., Greetings:  Know ye out of the confidence I have in your loyalty, integrity and ability and in virtue of his Majesties Commission, I do hereby constitute and appoint you Deputy Clerk of the Crown, for the district of New Bern, to have and to hold the said office of Deputy Clerk of the Crown during my pleasure, etc.   Given under my hand and seal, this 30 day of Mar. 1769.  Benj. Heron.

 

Victor Jones Writes:  "I’ve looked through several Court and Deed abstracts that we have here in our library. The 1769 inventory (from Craven County Deed Book 16, page 312 and following and abstracted in Bruce Pruitt’s Abstracts of Craven County Deeds, Books 14-19, page 45) is actually a mortgage in which John Rice is mortgaging his property and Nathaniel’s estate to pay debts to several individuals. Of note is the first parcel of property which mentions the property is subject to a deed to Peter Starkey. This deed to Peter Starkey is also a mortgage (Craven Deed Book 12/13, page 380 ff., abstracted in Pruitt, Abstracts of Books 11-13, p. 71).  The reason I mention the Peter Starkey connection, is there is a court case in the New Bern District Superior Court Minutes for November 1772, "Sarah RICE a[gainst] Peter STARKEY: Same Jury as in the last Cause being impannelled and sworn do say that the [sic] John RICE the Husband of the Plaintiff was Seized in…premises."  [Weynette P. Haun, New Bern District, North Carolina, Superior Court Minutes, Book 1: 1768-1788, p. 36.]  A deed dated 22 Aug 1778 between John Bryan (Sheriff of Craven) to Mary Gordon of New Bern mentions: "there Issued forth of the Superior Court of Justice for the District of Edenton a Writ of Fieri Facia" on 8 May 1778 returnable to court on 1 Nov 1778 in a suit of John Hunt against the lands and tenements of John Rice late of Craven County for 42 pounds 14 shillings 5 pence plus damages of 7 pounds. The deed further states that John Rice late of Craven Died seized and possessed of land and a 400 acre tract was sold by the Sheriff to pay the court case costs and judgment. The 400 acres joined John Bryan and was called "Cowpens". The sheriff sold the property to Mary Gordon for 205 pounds, the receipt was dated 5 Jun 1779 and the deed was recorded in Jun 1779. Based on the information, it appears this John died between May and August 1778. A look through the Edenton District court records may shed some light on the subject."  From Victor Jones of the Craven County, NC Kellenberger Genealogy Library.

 

Note by David:  Disposition of Nathaniel Rice's property did not occur for years although first attempted in the 1750's:

"A Bill for an act to impower James Hasell Esq only acting Executor of the last Will and Testament of Nathaniel Rice Esq deceased to make sale of certain Lands lately belonging to the said Nathaniel Rice, devised to his Grandchildren Nathaniel, John, Sarah and Mary Rice Minors -- which Bill was read in this House the first time and ordered to lie on the Table till To-morrow."  From The Colonial Records of North Carolina: Published Under the Supervision of the Trustees of the Public Libraries, by Order of the General Assembly collected and edited by William L. Saunders, Secretary of State (Broadfoot Publishing Company 1887). Volume 5 of this compiliation relates to the years 1752 through 1759. On page 636.

 

Actual disposition didn't occur until much later:

State of North Carolina

Wake County} This indenture witnesseth that we John and (Anna?) Charlotte Rice of the county aforesaid have for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred pounds currency to us in hand paid by Jacob Lenoard of the county of  Brunswick and State aforesaid the receipt whereof I do hereby oblige therewith fully satisfied and paid for allow right title or claimes to ever we have to land in Bladen & Brunswick counties in the state aforesaid by these presents do freely fully and absolutely grant bargain sell & release to him the said Jacob Leonard his heirs and assigns forever all our rights interest or claim whatever to all land in the aforesaid counties that have descended to us by virtue of the last will and testament of Nathaniel Rice esquire deceased or in any manner whatever belongs to us our heirs or assigns in witness whereof we have herewith set out hands and seals this ninth day of December in the year of our Lord 1788.  Signed and Sealed in the presence of J. Rice and A. Charlotte Rice.

That the said John Rice does (not?) convey his part of the aforesaid land that fell to him as heir at law to his eldest brother Nathaniel Rice dec'd agreeable to the last will and testament of the afore'sd Nathaniel Rice Esq.

Witnesses:

J. Lane

Reuben Hunter

Proved at New Bern, 24 December 1791

Transcribed by Joe Sheppard (Note by David:  Joel Lane was a neighbor of Joshua Sugg.   The original city of Raleigh, NC was formed on Joel Lane’s land while Joshua Sugg’s land supposedly was just east of the “city limits” at the time of Raleigh’s formation.   Reuben Hunter’s son or grandson was Needham Hunter – Joshua Rice was bondsman in Sumner Co., TN for his marriage to Polly Parnell).

 

Bladen Co Deed Book 36, p. 296:   John Rice to Christopher Woodward. State of NC, Wake Co. 9th day of Nov, 1784. John Rice legatee & heir at law of Nathaniel Rice, Esq. dec'd. 65 -?- specie already paid, land on the SW side Cape Fear river beginning at an oak David Lewis' corner tree. (No other neighbors or landforms mentioned, only degrees, chains, poles, links, etc. for corners) 320 acres more or less. Land was granted by original patent to a certain William Cain bearing a date 8th day Sept. 1735 and conveyed from sd William Cain by a deed under hand and seal of William Barham Esq.  high Sheriff of Bladen Co. bearing date 25 day of Mar. 1745 to Nathaniel Rice Esq.   Witnesses: Jordan Woodward, Pleasant Woodward.  Bladen Co., May term, 1785 this deed was <word omitted> in open court & ordered to be registered. John White CC.   From Woodward Family Tree – Christopher Woodward of Wake Co. NC (Online at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fcharper/chrisww.html)

 

Brunswick County Deeds – Book C, Page 45-47:

This Indenture made this Sixteenth Day of April in the year of our Lord One Thousand and Seven Hundred and eighty eight and in the twelfth year of American Independence between Thomas Rice, Mary Wrenford, Fanny Rice, Thomas L. Cheek and his wife Penelope all of the county of craven and town Newbern and State of North Carolina of the one part and Joel Parish of the County aforesaid of the other part witness that for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred and seventy five pounds paid to the said Thomas Rice, Mary Wrenford, Fanny Rice, Thomas Cheek, and wife Penelope in hand paid By the said Joel Parish of and before the sealing and Delivery of these presents ______ and _______ whereof is hereby acknowledged hath granted bargained sold and released & alienated ____ conveyed and confirmed and by these presents doth grant bargain sell and release alien of said convey and confirm unto the said Joel Parish his heirs and assignees forever all our right title interest in claimes to and demands unto all the _____ tracts or parcel of Land that our grandfather Nathaniel Rice esquire patented or purchased in new hanover Precinct now called Brunswick County lying on the waters of town creek Lockwoods folley and wagaman (Winnebah) and Cape Fear river in Particular Two Places one by the name of Kimbah (or should this be Winnebah?) and Green Hill which the Different Patents and Deeds of the Different Tracts or parcels of Land will fully ____ with the appurtenances (deed continues with no further relevant information)

Signed:

Thomas Rice {Seal}

Mary Wrenford {Seal}

Fanny Rice {Seal}

Thomas L. Cheek {Seal}

Penelope Cheek {Seal}

Transcribed by David Brown

 

Brunswick County Deeds – Book D, Page 231:

This Indenture made this first day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred & ninety eight Between Francis Hawks of the County of Craven and Town of New Bern of the one part and Richard Parish of the County of Brunswick of the other part both of the State of North Carolina, witnessed that the said Francis Hawks for and in consideration of the Sum of Fifty Five Dollars to him in hand actually paid by said Francis the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged hath given, granted, bargained & sold unto the said Parish and his heirs & assignees forever all the right title claims and interest that Sarah Hawkins (sic) mother of the said Francis died possessed of and to a certain tract or tracts of land in the County of Brunswick the boundaries of which are fully and clearly ______ in a deed of division between Jacob Leonard and Joel Parrish of the land that was formerly the property of Nathaniel Rice deceased reference being there unto had.   Furthermore the said Francis Hawks for himself & his heirs doth covenant & _______ to warrant and defend the title of the above granted lands unto the above Richard Parish and his heirs against he lawful claims or demands of any person or persons claiming _____ the above mentioned Sarah Hawks.   As Witness whereof he has hereunto set my hand and seal the day and year above written – Signed Sealed & Delivered in Presence of Wm. Blackledge Jothan (?) Rice – North Carolina

Francis Hawks {Seal}

Newbern District Personally appeared before one our of the Judges of the Superior Court of law & Equity for the said ____ Francis Hawks and acknowledged the forgoing instrument to be his act and deed April 1st 1798 –

Let it be Registered David Stone

Transcribed by David Brown

 

Rice in Wake/Johnston:

 

In 1771 "John Rice, a new name in local governmental service, and not at the time a Wake County resident, was sent by the governor (Tryon) to be clerk of the Wake court and deputy clerk for the crown in Wake." (Note by David: Appointed to this position in 1769 in Craven) In 1776 "five men experienced in local government represented Wake County in the fifth and final Provincial Congress that adopted the 1776 Constitution of North Carolina. These delegates were...the clerk of court, John Rice…Under the new constitution, Wake County was entitled to one senator and two representatives. Sen. James Jones attended the first session of the General Assembly in New Bern in 1777, with John Rice and Thomas Wooten representing the county in the House of Commons...the seats of both Representatives Rice and Wootten had to be (later) vacated because of their having accepted salaried offices back home, Rice returning to his office of clerk of court after a brief absence, and Wootten accepting the office of sheriff for Wake County."  From "Wake: Capital County of North Carolina," by Elizabeth Reid Murray, Volume I, Prehistory through Centennial Capital County Publishing Company Raliegh, North Carolina 1983

 

p55 John Rice having been appointed Clerk of the Inferior Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions for the County of Wake came into Court and took the Oaths for the Qualifications of Public Officers as also the Oath of Office and entered into Bond agreeable to Law with Thomas Wootten and Joshua Sugg his Securities who were approved off.   Joshua Sugg Tax gatherer in Capt. Beddingfields District came into Court and Produced his account of his Collection which was Settled and ordered to be filed amounting to L90:4:6…..p86 A Deed from John Rice and Abegail his wife to Joshua Sugg was in open court duly acknowledged and Ordered to be Registered at the same time Abigail Rice came into Court and on being examined by Tingnal Jones Esqr. willingly relinquished her right of Dowry in the said Land.   From "Wake County North Carolina County Court Minutes 1777 thru 1784 Book I" by Weynette Parks Haun

"Rice, John 78.8.7 Pounds - John Grant Rencher and Colonel John Humphreys of Wake say that J. Rice was a man of very good fortune at the end of the War. [He] was Clerk of Wake Court, now lives insolvent in Johnston County...became insolvent by hard drinking before the Year 1790."  From "Claims of British Merchants after the Revolutionary War (12th in series)," by Ransom McBride in Volume XVII, No. 1 of the North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal.

 

Craven County Deed:

"This Indenture made this 20th day of February in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eight between John Rice of the County of Johnson of the one part and John Stanly of Newbern of the other part. Witnesseth that the said John Rice for and in consideration of the sum of Twenty pounds to him in hand paid by John Stanly the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged hath bargained sold released and confirmed and by these presents doth bargain sell release and confirm unto the said John Stanly his heirs and assigns a lot of land situate in the town of Newbern at the intersection of Queen Street and Graves Street known in the plan of the said by the number one hundred and twenty, containing one half acre more or less. To have and to hold the said Lott to the said lott to the said John Stanly his heirs and assigns forever and the said John Rice for himself his heirs executors and administrators doth covenant to and with the said John Stanly his heirs and assigns to warrant and defend the premises hereby granted to the said John Stanly his heirs and assigns against the lawful claims of all persons claiming by through from or under him. In witness whereof the said John Rice hath hereunto set his hand and seal the day and year first above written
Sealed & delivered J. Rice (Seal)
in presence of State of North Carolina March 30th 1808 -
R. Sanders The execution of the above Deed by John Rice was this Day proved
Betsy Youngblood before me by Reuben Sanders a subscribing witness thereto, therefore
let it be Registered -
Jn. Hall . . ."

Transcribed by Ann Ohmsen

(Note by David:  Betsy Youngblood is probably the daughter of John Rice by his unknown second wife or “common law” marriage as there is a marriage record in Johnston County, NC in 1806 for Betsy Rice to Ichabod Youngblood.)

 

Marriage Notes for JOHN RICE and ABIGAIL SUGG:

Thomas Rice, Bondsman; Peter Uptegroves, Wit., Consent from Joshua Sugg, father of Abigail.   From Marriages of Wake County, North Carolina 1770-1868, Compiled by Brent H. Holcomb & Indexed by Elizabeth P. Bentley. Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 1983 Baltimore

 

More about Abigail Sugg: 

Abigail Sugg was the daughter of Joshua Sugg and Sarah whose maiden name is unknown.   Joshua Sugg purchased land in Johnston County, North Carolina (the area later became Wake County, North Carolina) from Samuel Commander of Craven County, South Carolina.  Samuel Commander’s “putative” great-uncle was James Harvey who had also been a colonial governor of North Carolina.  Samuel Commander had a sister named Abigail who married John Smith of South Carolina, descendant of Landgrave (title for owner of 48,000 acres of land) Thomas Smith who in turn may have been related to the Monck family.  

 

Abigail Sugg’s father Joshua also lived near a Monk family in Johnston/Wake County, but it is not known how they were related to General George Monck.  Interestingly, this Monk family was living in Currituck County, NC near land once owned by Gov. John Gibbs.

 

"30. Rice, Abigail. Petition of Abigail Rice and Joshua Sugg: In or about the year 1773, the petitioner, Abigail Rice, was married to John Rice. After eight or ten years, said John Rice left said Abigail with one child (note by David: Their only child was Joshua Rice who moved to Sumner Co., TN) and took another woman with whom he continues to live. The petitioners pray that a law be passed to prevent said John Rice from taking anything that said Abigail has attained by her own industry or that has been bestowed on her by friends. Your Petitioners do affirm that they have no Intention to defraud any Person...But your Petitioner having but Two children desires to Bestow of the Blessing God has Bestowed on him, on them both..."  "[The above petition is enclosed in the following committee report:] The Committee to whom was referred the above petition reports that the prayer of the said petitioner ought to be granted and recommend a law be passed to entitle said Abigail Rice to enjoy all the estate that she may acquire independent of her husband, John Rice. In Senate, 21 Jan. 1795, and in House, 25 Jan. 1795. Concur with recommendation of Committee. (GASR, Dec. 1794-Feb. 1795, Box 2: Folder "HCR")."  From Divorces and Separations from Petitions to the North Carolina General Assembly from 1779 (Part I), by Janet and Ransom McBride in Volume XVII, No. 4 of the North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal. 

 

 

 

 

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David
 
Interesting you brought this up. With my post of the Nathan Fish and the associations he had, namely, Bonds, Moores, Fish, W'tons and Phillips point to Chowan in fragments of records I keep running across... What is interesting is the Bond family has ties with IOW in VA. I found some information on a John Bond of IOW.
 
Note the Alice Phillips and John Hardy mentioned in these records. They are very early on in the founding of America, 1660's and reference a patent from 1635. I think that might be the earliest I have ever seen the Hardy and Phillips names together.
 
Trying to organize what I have dug up so far and get it posted.

Tom
 
 

ISLE OF WIGHT COUNTY, VA - DEEDS - John BOND to Thomas HARRIS

                                   13 Jan 1664

                                   Deed of Bargain & Sale

 

                                   Thomas HARRIS & wife Alice

                                   to John BOND

                                   20 Oct 1664

                                   Assignment of Patents

 

                                   Thomas HARRIS & wife Alice

                                   to Giles DRYVER [DRIVER]

                                   2 May-1 Nov 1667

                                   Deeds of Lease & Release

                        ----¤¤¤----

 

[p.] 38 [...]

 

Know all men by these p'sents

that I John BOND of the Isle of Wight County in Virginia hath bargained sould

and delivered unto Thomas HARRIS of the afores'd County

One Corne mill standing att the head of the Pagan Creek in the said County of

the Isle of Wight as shee now goeth w.th all such Materialls or thereunto

belongeth [altered from "belonging"] with free priviledge to take what Tymber

the said HARRIS shall have Occasion to use for the necessary repair of the

said Mill worke or Fludgates with free passage to & from the said Mill soe as

not any damage or hindrance may happen thereby unto the said BOND his Heires

Executo.rs or Assignes, which Mill I hence disclayme as wholly belonging to

him the said HARRIS his Heires Executo.rs Adm.rs or Assignes for ever with

warranty from any Claymes to be made there, unto the said Mill, by me my

Heires or Executo.rs,

as Witness my hand [altered from "hands"] this 13.th day of January 1663

[1663/4] and seal

Witt's                                            John BOND

Henry KING

Alce  W  PHILLIPS

   her m'ke

 

     Acknowledged and delivered by Majo.r John BOND unto Thomas HARRIS in Open

     Court this First day of May 1665

                                            Test  Jn.o JENNIGS  Cler Cur

   Record.d First May 1665

[page end]

 

 

[p.] 39

 

Know all men by these p'sents,

That I Thomas HARRIS of the Isle of Wight County in Virginia Planter, and

Alice my Wife doe for us o.r Heires Executo.rs & Administrato.rs make over

bargaine, sell & alientate, unto Maj.r John BOND of the same County gen.t

his Heires Executo.rs or Assignes,

One hundred & Ninety Acres of Land Comprized in two severall Pattents

scituated lyeing & being att y.e head of the Pagan Creek in the aforesaid

County (vizt)

one pattent being in y.e name of John VASSER Conteyning One hundred & Fifty

Acres of Land & bearing date the Eighteenth day of November 1635 and in the

Eleaventh year of the reigne of o.r Soveraigne Lord King Charles the first,

[VASLER, PB1:310]

and the other Pattent conteyning forty acres, of Land and taken in the name of

the said Thomas HARRIS, bearing date y.e Fourteenth day of August 1652

[PB3:205; renewed 6 Jun 1664, PB5:273]

the said hundred & Ninety Acres of Land, to have and to; ['hold' omitted]

accordeing to y.e bounds expressed in each Pattent,

with all the cleared grounds, houseings Fences & Orchards all Priveledges &

Royaltyes whatsoever thereunto belongeth unto him the said John BOND his

Heires Executo.rs or Assignes for ever, with Generall Warranty against the

Claymes Tytles or Molestaçons of any P/son or Persons whatsoever, to any P/te

or P/cell thereof;

for all which Wee the aboves'd Thomas and Alce [sic] doe acknowledge o.r

selves fully paid and sattisfied before the sealing & delivery hereof

And for A full and absolute Confirmaçon To all and singular intents and

purposes, doe Oblidge o.r selves to acknowledge this Our volluntary Act &

Deed, att the next Court to hould in the Isle of Wight County,

Witness our hands Seales, This Twentieth day of October 1664

                                                           ~

Signed Sealed & delivered                         Thomas HARRIS

 In the P'sence of                                    Sigill

   Henry KING                                     Alce  +  HARRIS

   Alce  ~~  PHILLIPS                                 Sigill

      her marke                                      her marke [¼'d circle]

 

               This Conveyance is delivered and acknowledged Unto Maj.r John

               BOND in Open Co.rt by M.r Thomas HARRIS and Alce his Wife

               y.e 1.st day of May 1665

                                           Teste  Jn.o JENINGS Cler Cur

                         Record primo die Maÿ

                                    1665

[page end]

 

 

[p] 116

 

Know all men by these p'sents that I John BOND of the Isle of Wight County in

Virginia hath bargained sould & delivered unto Thomas HARRIS of the aforesaid

County, One Cornemill standing att the head of the Pagan Creek in the same

County of the Isle of Wight as shee now goeth with all such materialls as

thereunto belongeth, with free priveledge to take what Timber the said HARRIS

shall have occasion for to use for the necessary repair of the said Mill work

or Floodgates with free passage to & from the said Mill soe as not any damage

or hindreance may happen thereby unto ye said BOND his heires Ex.rs or

Assignes which Mill I doe disclayme as wholly belonging to him the said HARRIS

his Heires Ex.rs Adm.rs or Assignes for ever, with Warrantie from any Claymes

to be made thereunto the said Mill by me my Heires or Ex.rs as witness my hand

the 13th day of Jan.ry 1663

                                            John BOND  Sigill

Wit

Henry KING

Alce PHILLIPS  W  her m'ke

 

     Acknowledged & delivered by Major John BOND unto Thomas HARRIS in Open

     Co.rt this first day of may 1665 And then Recorded

                                            Test  Jn.o JENNIGS  Cler Cur

 

These p'sents witness that I Thomas HARRIS of ye Isle of Wight County for a

valluable Consideraçon in hand rec'ed doe Assigne & make over unto M.r Giles

DRYVER of the said County his Heires Ex.rs Adm.rs and Assignes all my Right

Title Clayme & interest to the Bill of Sale within menc'oned for A Mill with

all its priveledges and appert'ences, whatsoever therein expressed with

Warranty against all Claymes whatsoever as alsoe ag.t any Clayme or P'tence of

Clayme now or hereafter to be made by me ye sd Thomas HARRIS my Heires or

Adm.rs or any Person or Persons whatsoever by us or any of Our precurem.ts

In witness hereof I have hereunto sett my hand & seal this 2.d day of May in

the year of Lord 1667

                                            Tho: HARRIS  Sigill

Signed Sealed & d'd in ye P'sence of

Nich HILL

Josep RUDD  J  m'ke

 

     This Mill w.th in mençoned to be delivered w.th its appert'ences to M.r

     DRYVER or his Assignes ye 5.th day of 9.br [November] next & untill y.t

     tyme ye whole P'fitts to be ye use And behoofe of M.r Tho: HARRIS or

     Assignes  In witness hereof I have hereunto sett my hand & seal this

     2.d day of May in

     the year of Lord 1667

                                            Tho HARRIS  Sigill

Witt

Nich HILL

Joseph RUDD  J  m'ke

[page break]

 

 

[p] 117

 

Know that I Thomas HARRIS and Alce my Wife doe by these P'sents Assigne make

over possess and deliver unto M.r Giles DRYVER the Mill with all the

appertences thereunto belonging to him his Heires Ex.rs Adm.rs and Assignes

for ever, w.th warranty of the Just Sale thereof from us or either of us our

heires Executo.rs Adm.rs or Assignes or any other Persons whatsoever in this

Sale mençoned And doe oblidge o.r selves to Acknowledge this our Act in the

Open Court of Isle of Wight County the 9.th day of this p'sent month

Witness our hands the first day of November 1667

                                            Tho: HARRIS

                                            Alce HARRIS

                                             +  m'ke [¼'d circle]

Signed & deliv'ed in p'sents of us

John BOND

John HARDY

 

     Acknowledged & Confirmed this Sale of the Mill by M.r Thomas HARRIS and

     Alce his Wife unto M.r Giles DRYVER in ye Open Co.rt held for the Isle of

     Wight County the 9.th day of December 1667 And then recorded

                                            Test  Jn.o JENNINGS  Cler.Cur

 

[Thomas' wife Alice (his 2d) may have been a WEST; she 2m. John SOJOURNER.

 John BOND is thought to have 3m. Dorothy HARRIS BAKER, Thomas' sister and

 widow of John BAKER.]

 

Isle of Wight Co., VA, Record of Wills, Deeds, Etc., Vol. 1 (1662-1715),

pp. 38-39, 116-17

The Library of Virginia, Isle of Wight Co. Microfilm Reel 22

abstracted by Matt HARRIS [surname capitalization, line breaks & brackets mine]

 

see also

Virginia Land Office, Patent Book 1 (1623-1643), p. 310

The Library of Virginia, Virginia Land Office Patent and Grant Database,

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Virginia Land Office, Patent Book 3 (1652-1655), p. 205

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Virginia Land Office, Patent Book 5 (1661-1666), p. 273

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Tom,

The Bond family was also associated w/ the Carruthers family. My ancestor Sarah Carruthers who married John Rice, Sr., had a cousin also named Sarah Carruthers who apparently married first to Soloman Rew and second to Vinyard Bond.

Just thought I'd mention this.

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David

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Subject: [ENC Phillips] Phillips, Bonds & Hardy Family in IOW VA

From Frances Harper:

Response by David Brown:

Thanks!

David

RICE, EDWARD.

Bertie County.

RICE, JOHN.

Chowan County.

Bladensburg, Maryland 1966

 

 

Other Craven Records:

State of North Carolina

Witnesses:

J. Lane

Reuben Hunter

This Indenture made this Sixteenth Day of April in the year of our Lord One Thousand and Seven Hundred and eighty eight and in the twelfth year of American Independence between Thomas Rice, Mary Wrenford, Fanny Rice, Thomas L. Cheek and his wife Penelope all of the county of craven and town Newbern and State of North Carolina of the one part and Joel Parish of the County aforesaid of the other part witness that for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred and seventy five pounds paid to the said Thomas Rice, Mary Wrenford, Fanny Rice, Thomas Cheek, and wife Penelope in hand paid By the said Joel Parish of and before the sealing and Delivery of these presents______ and_______ whereof is hereby acknowledged hath granted bargained sold and released & alienated ____ conveyed and confirmed and by these presents doth grant bargain sell and release alien of said convey and confirm unto the said Joel Parish his heirs and assignees forever all our right title interest in claimes to and demands unto all the_____ tracts or parcel of Land that our grandfather Nathaniel Rice esquire patented or purchased in new hanover Precinct now called Brunswick County lying on the waters of town creek Lockwoods folley and wagaman (Winnebah) and Cape Fear river in Particular Two Places one by the name of Kimbah (or should this be Winnebah?) and Green Hill which the Different Patents and Deeds of the Different Tracts or parcels of Land will fully____ with the appurtenances (deed continues with no further relevant information)

Signed:

Thomas Rice {Seal}

Mary Wrenford {Seal}

Fanny Rice {Seal}

Thomas L. Cheek {Seal}

Penelope Cheek {Seal}

Transcribed by David Brown

 

Brunswick County Deeds – Book D, Page 231:

This Indenture made this first day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred & ninety eight Between Francis Hawks of the County of Craven and Town of New Bern of the one part and Richard Parish of the County of Brunswick of the other part both of the State of North Carolina, witnessed that the said Francis Hawks for and in consideration of the Sum of Fifty Five Dollars to him in hand actually paid by said Francis the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged hath given, granted, bargained & sold unto the said Parish and his heirs & assignees forever all the right title claims and interest that Sarah Hawkins (sic) mother of the said Francis died possessed of and to a certain tract or tracts of land in the County of Brunswick the boundaries of which are fully and clearly______ in a deed of division between Jacob Leonard and Joel Parrish of the land that was formerly the property of Nathaniel Rice deceased reference being there unto had.   Furthermore the said Francis Hawks for himself & his heirs doth covenant &_______ to warrant and defend the title of the above granted lands unto the above Richard Parish and his heirs against he lawful claims or demands of any person or persons claiming_____ the above mentioned Sarah Hawks.   As Witness whereof he has hereunto set my hand and seal the day and year above written – Signed Sealed & Delivered in Presence of Wm. Blackledge Jothan (?) Rice – North Carolina

Francis Hawks {Seal}

Newbern District Personally appeared before one our of the Judges of the Superior Court of law & Equity for the said____ Francis Hawks and acknowledged the forgoing instrument to be his act and deed April 1st 1798 –

Let it be Registered David Stone

Transcribed by David Brown

Tom and Jane Hutchison

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There also was a Vinyard Fish ! That is one of the Chowan conections I think... Have not had a chance to look at those again and put them in any order for posting.
 
Nathan named a son 'Vines'. That is too coincidental. Do you know what year the Vinyard Bond marriage was?
 
Thanks David !
 
Tom

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Tom,

Unfortunately, I don't have that marriage info, but will see if I can find it. Sarah Carruthers who married Vinyard Bond was a daughter of William Carruthers. There is a 1762 will for a Vinyard Bond who mentions wife Sarah. Not sure if that would be the right couple though.

Vinyard was another surname associated w/ my Stark family who migrated from New Jersey to Loudoun Co., VA in the 1760's. I wonder if some of the Vinyards and Fish families may have migrated from NJ to NC at an earlier date?

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David

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:44:47 -0500
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From Frances Harper:

Response by David Brown:

Thanks!

David

RICE, EDWARD.

Bertie County.

RICE, JOHN.

Chowan County.

Bladensburg, Maryland 1966

 

 

Other Craven Records:

State of North Carolina

Witnesses:

J. Lane

Reuben Hunter

This Indenture made this Sixteenth Day of April in the year of our Lord One Thousand and Seven Hundred and eighty eight and in the twelfth year of American Independence between Thomas Rice, Mary Wrenford, Fanny Rice, Thomas L. Cheek and his wife Penelope all of the county of craven and town Newbern and State of North Carolina of the one part and Joel Parish of the County aforesaid of the other part witness that for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred and seventy five pounds paid to the said Thomas Rice, Mary Wrenford, Fanny Rice, Thomas Cheek, and wife Penelope in hand paid By the said Joel Parish of and before the sealing and Delivery of these presents______ and_______ whereof is hereby acknowledged hath granted bargained sold and released & alienated____ conveyed and confirmed and by these presents doth grant bargain sell and release alien of said convey and confirm unto the said Joel Parish his heirs and assignees forever all our right title interest in claimes to and demands unto all the_____ tracts or parcel of Land that our grandfather Nathaniel Rice esquire patented or purchased in new hanover Precinct now called Brunswick County lying on the waters of town creek Lockwoods folley and wagaman (Winnebah) and Cape Fear river in Particular Two Places one by the name of Kimbah (or should this be Winnebah?) and Green Hill which the Different Patents and Deeds of the Different Tracts or parcels of Land will fully____ with the appurtenances (deed continues with no further relevant information)

Martha Marble

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Don't have time to look it up but some of the Bonds and Rews were out of either Princess Ann or ESVA. There was a Southy Rew and a Southy Bond - they were also in several counties in NC besides Craven but can't remember which ones.

Martha


At 02:01 PM 12/10/2008, you wrote:
Tom,Unfortunately, I don't have that marriage info, but will see if I can find it. Sarah Carruthers who married Vinyard Bond was a daughter of William Carruthers. There is a 1762 will for a Vinyard Bond who mentions wife Sarah. Not sure if that would be the right couple though.Vinyard was another surname associated w/ my Stark family who migrated from New Jersey to Loudoun Co., VA in the 1760's. I wonder if some of the Vinyards and Fish families may have migrated from NJ to NC at an earlier date? Thanks. David

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Thanks Martha. I believe the 1762 will for Vinyard Bond was in Beaufort, NC.

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Bonds were all over NC...Johnston too. Would like to figure out who the Emily Bond is who married a Lewis Phillips, I think, who is supposed to be the son of William from Johnston/Wake, and William's mother was a Coleman. I wish we could find a donor for Patrick Phillips who wrote to the War Dept in the late 1800's trying to find out if he could collect on the fact his father was John Phillips b. 1759 on Deep Creek in Halifax. DNA sample from that line would answer many questions and probably spark off more.
 
I do think that the Lewis who married Emily Bond..keep posting about this family..the shoemaker..was the son of one of those Phillips sons of John because the census states in 1850, Emily was born in Lenoir and Lewis was born in Johnston. Also seen her as Emiline.

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Just tossing this out! Does anyone know who Sara Bond married. Funny that Nathan named one son Vines Fish!
 
Tom
 
 
 

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Written: 1762

                 VINYARD BOND'S WILL.

 IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN. I, Vinyard Bond, of Beau-
fort County, and Province of North Carolina, Being Very weak
in Body but of Perfect mind and memory, and Calling to mind
That it is appointed for all men once to Dye, Do make, ordain,
Constitute and appoint This and no other to be my Last Will
and Testament, in manner and form following, That is to say:
 First, I give and Bequeath unto my Beloved Wife, Sarah
Bond, the Plantation I now live on, and one other Plantation
ajoyning to it on Core Point, with all my Houshold goods,
furniture, Stock and Negroes, in order to support, Educate
and maintain my son, Sweeting Bond, and my Daughter,
Sarah Bond, untill my said son arives at the age of Twenty
one years and then I Desire that all my furniture, Houshold
goods and stock Remaining on the Said Plantation, be sold
and the money arising from the sale thereof to be Equally
Divided Between my said Wife, My said Son, and Daughter;
But if it should happen that my said Son should Dye Before he
arives to the age of Twenty one years, in such Case I Desire
that the Sum of one Hundred Pounds Proclamation money
to be Paid to my Wife out of the Estate that my said son
Dyes Possest of, over and above what I have Already given her.
  Item. I Desire that in Consideration of my giving to my
said Wife, The Several Sums of money above mentioned, my
Will and Desire is that the Estate of Mr. Southey Rew
Deceased, When Settled and a Division Thereof made,
whatever Part of that Estate that shall or may Come to my
Said Wife, after my Decease, be Equally Divided Between my
Said Wife and my Son and Daughter.
  Item. I Desire that soon after my Decease, the goods then
Remaining in my Store, Consisting of Lining and Stockings
and all other goods whatsoever in the said store, may be sold
and the money arising from the sales thereof, be applyed to
the use of my said Wife and son and Daughter within men-
tioned, According to the Directions of my Executors herein
after mentioned.
  Item. I Desire that my Exors. herein after mentioned may
Sell and Dispose of my Negro man Angus, and my Negro man
Harrey, and the money arising from the sale thereof to be layd
out to such Proper Uses as my Executors shall think Proper
for the Support of my said Wife and Son and Daughter.
  Item. I Desire that my Plantation on the north side of
Trent River, Containing two hundred Acres; and Likewise
my Plantation near Bath, on Town Creek, may be sold and
the money arising therefrom the sale thereof, be let out on In-
terest for the use of my said Wife and son and Daughter, untill
my son arives to the age of Twenty one years, and then to be
Equally Divided Between my said Wife and Son and Daughter.
  Item. I Desire that If my Son, Sweeting Bond, Should
Dye Before he arives at the Age of Twenty one years, my
will and Desire is that all the Household goods, furniture,
and Stock, remaining on the Plantation at Coor Point at the
Time of his Decease, may be sold and the Money Arising from
the Sale thereof Be Equally De vided Between my said Wife,
and my Daughter, Sarah Bond.
  Item. I Desire that after my Decease, if it should Happen
that my said Wife should marry and Dye without Issue, then
and in such Case it is my will and Desire that the one half
part of what I have given and mentioned to be given to my
Wife, shall be given to my said Son and Daughter, and Equally
Devided Between them.
 Item. I Desire that all my Just Debts shall be paid out
of the Book Debts that are due and owing to me, and the
over Plus, if any, to be Equally Devided Between my said
Wife and Son and Daughter; and as to the Negroes Remain-
ing of my Estate, to be sold with my Houshold goods and
furniture as Before Mentioned, and the money arising from
the Sale thereof to be Equally Divided Between my said Wife
and Son and Daughter.
 Item. My Will and Desire is that if my said Son, Sweeting
Bond, and my said Daughter, Sarah Bond, should Dye before
they come of age, then and in Such Case, my will and Desire
is that my Sister, Susanah Kershaw, shall have out of the Por-
tion I have Left my said son and Daughter, fifty Pound, Proc-
lamation money, and the Remaining Part of their Estates to
go to my Wife, Sarah Bond.
 Item. I give and Bequeath to my there other Sisters,
Sarah, Mary, and Margaret, Each of them, one Shilling, Ster-
ling money, to them and their heirs forever.
 And I further Nominate, Constitute and appoint my Be-
loved Wife, Sarah Bond, Executrix, and her Brother, John
Carruthers, Executor of this my Last Will and Testament,
Revoking all former Wills by me made.
 In Witness whereof, I have hereunto Set my Hand and Seal,
the Twenty fifth Day of March, in the year of our Lord, one
Thousand, Seven Hundred and Sixty two.

 Signed, Sealed, Published and           VINYD. BOND (Seal)
Declared by the within named
Vinyard Bond, to be his last Will
and Testament, In the Presence
of us who have hereunto Put our
Names as Witnesses in the Pres-
ence of the Testator:
     WILLM. PEYTON.
     WILLM. TRIPPE.
     HENRY LOCKEY.
     THOMAS LEE.

                              NEWBERN, November, the 8th, 1762.
 This day Personally appeared before me Thomas Lee, and made oath
on the Holy Evangelists of Almighty God, that he Saw Vinyard Bond,
the Testator, Sign, Seal, Publish and Declare the Above to be and Contain
his Last will and Testament; and that to the best of his knowledge he
then was of sound mind and Disposing memory; and that he also saw Wm.
Peyton, William Trippe and Henry Lackey, sign as Concuring Evidences
with him. At the same time John Carruthers, Executor therein named,
qualified as such agreeable to Law.
 Let Letters Issue thereon.                  ARTHUR DOBBS.

 Recorded in Will Book 8, page 263, Office of the Secretary of State.

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Tom,

I also have the name Vines in my Matthews/Mathis line, which came out of Surry/PG/Brunswick Co., VA (and then to Caswell Co., NC). I've always wondered if this connected him with a Thomas Vines who left a will abt 1737 in York Co., VA. I've seen internet postings (so, not sure abt accuracy) that Thomas Vines had one son who ended up in Currituck Co., NC. If true, perhaps this is the origin of the name Vines is coming into the Fish family. On the other hand, perhaps it is just a shortened version of Vinyard.


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Think I saw the name Oxley mentioned. This is another New Jersey name associated w/ my Starks and Howells.

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