Enclojure, Maven, and Counterclockwise

[Dean]

I"m new to Clojure and I have a couple of questions about IDE
support. I'm experienced with both Eclipse and Netbeans for Java
development and I don't have a strong preference between the two when
it comes to Java.

How does NetBeans / Enclojure compare to Eclipse / Counterclockwise?
Judging by version numbers Enclojure is more mature than
Counterclockwise. How do the two compare as far as a newbie getting
started? I don't need advanced features, but I also don't want an IDE
that hides things from me that I should be learning.

A second question is why does Enclojure "strongly recommend" that I
install Maven? I've always found Maven to be a huge complication when
learning something new and I would strongly prefer to not bother with
it at this point.

Does Enclojure work without Maven?

Thanks.

Dean

[Laurent PETIT]

Just for the record: the version number of ccw is just "a counter".

My guess is that there are now areas where enclojure is beyond ccw, and ccw beyond enclojure.

Now, I'm biaised, since I'm the main contributor to ccw, so I'll let others answer in more detail ;-)

2011/3/25 Dean <dean.w....@gmail.com>

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[Eric Thorsen]

I am the main contributor to Enclojure.
Enclojure does work without Maven but its main use in my shop is with
Maven projects. The reason for the strong recommendation for
installing maven is the version that is there by default is somewhat
crippled. If you are just using Netbeans projects and their library
management, you should be fine without having to do this. As long as
Clojure and Clojure-contrib are libraries or dependancies in the
project, the project repls can be started and you should be all set.

I have recently have been following the ccw work since nRepl was
introduced. I'm playing with RC08 I believe.
I think Laurent description below is accurate. As a person who is
primarily interested in better tools for Clojure(which is what started
me on Enclojure), I am interested in incorporating things like nRepl
and paredit into Enclojure which is why I have been tracking the ccw
release.

While I like both environments, I also have an emacs/slime/swank setup
on my machines as well....because there are areas where that
environment has some niceties I do not get in either of the others.

IMHO, If you are comfortable with IDEs, either of these should work
well for you. If you are an emacs user, there are a lot of people
over there with good reason (just ask them:).

It's all fun when coding in Clojure!

Eric

On Mar 26, 5:30 am, Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just for the record: the version number of ccw is just "a counter".
>
> My guess is that there are now areas where enclojure is beyond ccw, and ccw
> beyond enclojure.
>
> Now, I'm biaised, since I'm the main contributor to ccw, so I'll let others
> answer in more detail ;-)
>

> 2011/3/25 Dean <dean.w.schu...@gmail.com>