Revised Comments on some emoji symbols e-000 ... e-521

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Karl Pentzlin

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Revised comments on some Emoji symbols
(revision of my "Quick comments on some Emoji symbols" of
2009-01-06, project issue 64)
- Karl Pentzlin 2009-01-15

Reference:
http://www.unicode.org/~scherer/emoji4unicode/snapshot/utc.html
as of 2009-01-15

The basic assumptions for these comments are:
- Symbols which are presented in one line in the reference table
are to be either encoded as a single Unicode character,
or all be unified with the same existing Unicode character.
Thus, if such symbols which are not merely glyph variants of
each other, the name must either apply to all symbols,
or be specific to one, enabling the other one to be encoded
separately if there will be a future request.
In the latter case, the name is marked with the column title
(DoCoMo, KDDI, Softbank) in parentheses to which it applies.
- Symbols which appear colored or animated but
- are different to all other proposed symbols even if color
and animation are disregarded,
- and are unifiable with an existing symbol (as of FDAM6) if
color and animation are disregarded,
may be unified with that existing symbol.
- Otherwise, symbols should be named as they appear as emoji, not
according to the black-and-white fallback glyph which is
associated to them to print the Unicode charts.
This applies to the NAMING ONLY; NO NEW ATTRIBUTES OR ENCODING
PRINCIPLES are introduced this way.
The precedence for this are U+2591...U+2593 which are correctly
named by their shade without causing any problems.
This means:
· Symbols with an inherent color shall bear this color in their
name unless the entity denoted by the name has implies the color
(or is perceived to have its color "by default") anyway (e.g. a
PURPLE HEART must be named so as there also blue heart is
proposed, while a CHERRY BLOSSOM is perceived "pink by default",
even if white cherry blossoms are found, and does not need to
be named PINK CHERRY BLOSSO?M).

All symbol names are relative to any generic prefixes which are applied
to the set of emoji symbols or subsets of it during the ongoing
discussion.
If such a prefix is used, requests to name something "XXX SYMBOL"
instead of "XXX" can be considered as void.

e-005 is SPIRAL or CYCLONE SYMBOL (the spiral is not specific as a
cyclone)
e-037 is perceived as astrological symbol also outside of Japan,
see Google search, therefore a candidate for the U+2Bxx block
if this block is the successor to the filled U+26xx block
e-03A should be named ERUPTING VOLCANO (in contrast to the Mount
Fuji symbol which may be required to be named VOLCANO to
avoid geographical preferences).
e-044 just not to be listed under "nature", the symbol seems unequivocally
to be the newly licensed driver plate.
The name JAPANESE NEW LICENSED DRIVER SIGN seems preferable.
e-051 is RED APPLE
e-057 is WATER MELON - most melons sold in Europe are yellow and oval
e-05B is GREEN APPLE
e-190 is EYEBALLS
e-193 seems to be RED LIPS rather than generic MOUTH
e-1A1 is POLICEMANS HEAD WITH FLAT CAP
(in other countries, police caps may look definitively different)
if there is a police cap by SoftBank, this is a different FLAT POLICE CAP
e-1A2 is WOMANS HEAD WITH BUNNY EARS (KDDI)
SoftBank would be TWO DANCING WOMEN WITH BUNNY EARS
e-1A3 is BRIDES HEAD WITH VEIL
e-1A4 is WESTERN PERSON?S HEAD (if WESTERN can be considered appropriate):
e-1A5 may be MANS HEAD WITH ... or HEAD OF MAN WITH ... depending on
the translation of GUA PI MAO
e-1A6 is MANS HEAD WITH TURBAN
e-1A7 is OLDER MANS HEAD
e-1A8 is OLDER WOMANS HEAD
e-1A9 is BABYS HEAD
e-1AA is CONSTRUCTION WORKERS HEAD WITH HELMET
e-1AB is YOUNG BRIGHT-HAIRED PRINCESS HEAD or BRIGHT-HAIRED GIRLS HEAD WITH CROWN
e-1AC is RED FACED OGRES HEAD
e-1AD is LONG-NOSED GOBLINS HEAD
e-1AF is either ANGELS HEAD WITH GLORIOLE (KDDI) or PUTTO ANGEL (SoftBank)
e-1B0 is BIG-EYED ALIEN FACE (SoftBank) or ALIEN SPACESHIP (KDDI)
e-1B2 is FACE WITH DEVILS HORNS
e-1B7 is DOG FACE (DoCoMo/KDDI),
similarly:
e-1B8,1BF,1C0,1C1,1C2,1CA,1D1,1D2,1D7,154 add " FACE" like it is done for e-1C4
MONKEY FACE
e-1C8 is SITTING WHITE BIRD
e-1D0 is FOX HEAD
e-35B SoftBank would be PAIR OF RAISED FOLDED HANDS
e-4B0 is SMALL HOUSE or SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE
e-4B4 is HOSPITAL DENOTED BY CROSS SYMBOL (DoCoMo)
e-4B5 is ALPHABETIC BANK SYMBOL
e-4B6 is AUTOMATIC TELLER MACHINE SYMBOL
e-4C2 is RED LANTERN DENOTING JAPANESE IZAKAYA RESTAURANT
or JAPANESE RED LANTERN
("red lantern" is a symbol for two totally different concepts in European
culture: a. brothel, b. being the last one in a sports competition)
e-4CA is WORKERS MALLET (as it looks different from the common household hammer)
e-4CC is MANS LOW SHOE
e-4D2 (now listed after e_B20) is TRIDENT
e-4D5 is LADIES FORMAL DRESS
e-4DD should be encoded as an enclosing combining mark MONEY BAG, which can
be applied to any currency symbol
e-4DE is DOLLAR YEN CURRENCY EXCHANGE
e-4DF is CHART WITH RISING CURVE AND YEN SYMBOL
or RISING CHART WITH YEN SYMBOL
e-4E4 is MONEY BILL WITH WINGS
e-4EF is SINGLE-LENS REFLEX STILL PICTURE CAMERA
e-4F4 is FAECES or PICTORIAL EXPRESSION OF DISDAIN
e-4F7 is CRYSTAL BALL ON RACK
e-4FA is MEAT CLEAVER
e-4FB is TORCH
e-4FD this is a nonstandard symbol for window scrolling and must be named in
a way that it is not mistaken for any ISO 7000 or similar symbol;
thus it must get a prefix like JAPANESE TELCO SYMBOL if it gets
no generic name prefix for the emoji set or a subset
e-4FE is ELECTRIC PLUG WITH CABLE
e-4FF is GREEN CLOSED BOOK LYING WITH BACK TO THE RIGHT
in this way applicable to books to be read from right to left
e-500 is BLUE CLOSED BOOK LYING WITH BACK TO THE RIGHT
e-501 is ORANGE CLOSED BOOK LYING WITH BACK TO THE RIGHT
e-502 is FRONT OF GREEN BOOK WITH LABEL or FRONT OF GREEN NOTEBOOK WITH LABEL
e-503 is STACK OF BOOKS LYING WITH BACK TO THE LEFT
e-505 KDDI is WOMANS HEAD WITH BATHING CAP, SoftBank is PERSON TAKING A BATH
e-506 is LADIES AND GENTS RESTROOMS SIGN
or WOMENS AND MENS RESTROOMS SIGN
e-509 is SYRINGE WITH DROP OF BLOOD
e+513 is SANTA CLAUS FACE
e+520 is OPENING CONFETTI BALL
----------- Comments for emoji symbols starting from e+522 may follow later.

Markus Scherer

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Jan 17, 2009, 1:35:56 AM1/17/09
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Karl Pentzlin <karl-p...@acssoft.de> wrote:
Revised comments on some Emoji symbols
 (revision of my "Quick comments on some Emoji symbols" of
 2009-01-06, project issue 64)
 - Karl Pentzlin 2009-01-15

Reference:
http://www.unicode.org/~scherer/emoji4unicode/snapshot/utc.html
as of 2009-01-15

The basic assumptions for these comments are:
- Symbols which are presented in one line in the reference table
 are to be either encoded as a single Unicode character,
 or all be unified with the same existing Unicode character.

Sort of. The table shows two things: It shows a symbol that we are tracking, with an ID, an existing or proposed-new code point, and name/annotations/description etc. And it shows how this symbol maps to symbols from cell phone carriers, with round-trip or fallback mappings. As much as possible, the mappings between the symbols in our repertoire and the carrier symbols correspond to mappings used and published by the carriers themselves. (In some cases, the mappings are contradictory, have changed over time, or appear suboptimal.)

 Thus, if such symbols which are not merely glyph variants of
 each other, the name must either apply to all symbols,
 or be specific to one, enabling the other one to be encoded
 separately if there will be a future request.

Not quite. For proposed-new symbols, the name is for the proposed new symbols. For ones unified with existing Unicode characters, the name is the one for that existing character.

The carriers give their symbols separate names or descriptions which have informed our choices of names, but we have not copied (or translated) them blindly.

- Symbols which appear colored or animated but
 - are different to all other proposed symbols even if color
   and animation are disregarded,
 - and are unifiable with an existing symbol (as of FDAM6) if
   color and animation are disregarded,
 may be unified with that existing symbol.

Maybe. In almost all cases, we propose a single symbol with round-trip mappings to multiple carriers' symbols because those carriers have used corresponding round-trips, which in turn is usually because the symbols substantially mean the same thing or look similar enough.

- Otherwise, symbols should be named as they appear as emoji, not
 according to the black-and-white fallback glyph which is
 associated to them to print the Unicode charts.

I think this would be misleading. We are not encoding each carrier's symbols as such. We are encoding Unicode characters that are intended to be appropriate, expressed in glyph, name and annotations, for round-trip mapping to each carriers' symbols. As such, the name has to mainly fit the Unicode character, more than the carrier character it's mapped to.

 This applies to the NAMING ONLY; NO NEW ATTRIBUTES OR ENCODING
 PRINCIPLES are introduced this way.
 The precedence for this are U+2591...U+2593 which are correctly
 named by their shade without causing any problems.
 This means:
 · Symbols with an inherent color shall bear this color in their
   name unless the entity denoted by the name has implies the color
   (or is perceived to have its color "by default") anyway (e.g. a
   PURPLE HEART must be named so as there also  blue heart is
   proposed, while a CHERRY BLOSSOM is perceived "pink by default",
   even if white cherry blossoms are found, and does not need to
   be named PINK CHERRY BLOSSO?M).

This goes against Unicode practice in general (e.g., red & black card suits) as well as against UTC guidance and decisions specifically given while reviewing previous drafts of this proposal.

All symbol names are relative to any generic prefixes which are applied
to the set of emoji symbols  or subsets of it during the ongoing
discussion.
If such a prefix is used, requests to name something "XXX SYMBOL"
instead of "XXX" can be considered as void.

e-005 is SPIRAL or CYCLONE SYMBOL (the spiral is not specific as a
     cyclone)

SPIRAL is definitely not what we need, but I think the spiral glyph is reasonable. I don't think adding SYMBOL to CYCLONE does anything. We usually add SYMBOL or SIGN to clarify or distinguish.

e-037 is perceived as astrological symbol also outside of Japan,
     see Google search, therefore a candidate for the U+2Bxx block
     if this block is the successor to the filled U+26xx block

I tried to be conservative with proposing BMP code points, only proposing symbols for existing BMP blocks when there are already similar symbols in the same block. I assume that adding a symbol into U+2Bxx because there is a similar one in the (now full) U+26xx block would be rejected. In that sense, SMP symbols blocks will be seen as extensions of BMP symbols blocks as well.

e-03A should be named ERUPTING VOLCANO (in contrast to the Mount
     Fuji symbol which may be required to be named VOLCANO to
     avoid geographical preferences).

That's more specific than it needs to be. If we ever needed to have two distinct volcanoes, we could add a dormant one later.

e-044 just not to be listed under "nature", the symbol seems unequivocally
     to be the newly licensed driver plate.

We could move it somewhere else, but it *looks* like a plant-related symbol. It seems like it would be a bit like moving the four leaf clover to a block with horoscope symbols because it's used for something other than its visual shape.

     The name JAPANESE NEW LICENSED DRIVER SIGN seems preferable.

We are told that it's now used for all kinds of beginners, not just new drivers. We have an annotation to that effect.

e-051 is RED APPLE

See above -- we have guidance not to encode the color of Emoji symbols that the proposed characters can be mapped to, but the appearance of the proposed Unicode character itself.

e-057 is WATER MELON - most melons sold in Europe are yellow and oval

No, e-054 is WATERMELON. e-057 has a note of "also honeydew melon".

e-05B is GREEN APPLE

See above.

e-190 is EYEBALLS

I think EYES better describes the current glyph, and the carrier symbols. DoCoMo's English symbol name is actually "Eyes".

e-193 seems to be RED LIPS rather than generic MOUTH

Looking at adjacent symbols (especially considering carrier symbol numbers), this is one of several facial parts, at least for KDDI and SoftBank. DoCoMo seems to have a different description. I will note this in a project issue.

e-1A1 is POLICEMANS HEAD WITH FLAT CAP
     (in other countries, police caps may look definitively different)
     if there is a police cap by SoftBank, this is a different FLAT POLICE CAP

Too specific. I could go with POLICEMAN but no further. We don't want to describe every detail of a glyph in the character name. We only want to be specific enough to be findable, recognizable and distinguishable, but where further distinction is not needed, we want names to also be fairly generic.

e-1A2 is WOMANS HEAD WITH BUNNY EARS (KDDI)

More specific than necessary. Same for suggestions below adding "HEAD" or narrowing the name without needing distinction from another symbol.

     SoftBank would be TWO DANCING WOMEN WITH BUNNY EARS

Yes, and according to the transliteration, actually TWO WOMEN WITH BUNNY EARS PERFORMING RAINDANCE. We are following the carriers' cross-mappings.

e-1A3 is BRIDES HEAD WITH VEIL
e-1A4 is WESTERN PERSON?S HEAD (if WESTERN can be considered appropriate):
e-1A5 may be MANS HEAD WITH ... or HEAD OF MAN WITH ... depending on
     the translation of GUA PI MAO

A "gua pi mao" is the kind of skullcap that you see in KDDI's and SoftBank's symbols. Our glyph needs to be fixed.

e-1A6 is MANS HEAD WITH TURBAN
e-1A7 is OLDER MANS HEAD
e-1A8 is OLDER WOMANS HEAD
e-1A9 is BABYS HEAD
e-1AA is CONSTRUCTION WORKERS HEAD WITH HELMET
e-1AB is YOUNG BRIGHT-HAIRED PRINCESS HEAD or BRIGHT-HAIRED GIRLS HEAD WITH CROWN
e-1AC is RED FACED OGRES HEAD
e-1AD is LONG-NOSED GOBLINS HEAD
e-1AF is either ANGELS HEAD WITH GLORIOLE (KDDI) or PUTTO ANGEL (SoftBank)
e-1B0 is BIG-EYED ALIEN FACE (SoftBank) or ALIEN SPACESHIP (KDDI)

The carriers' mappings suggest they want to express "alien", not restricted to either a face or a UFO. We added "extraterrestrial" so it's not confused with earthly immigrants like myself.

e-1B2 is FACE WITH DEVILS HORNS
e-1B7 is DOG FACE (DoCoMo/KDDI),
     similarly:
     e-1B8,1BF,1C0,1C1,1C2,1CA,1D1,1D2,1D7,154 add " FACE" like it is done for e-1C4
     MONKEY FACE
e-1C8 is SITTING WHITE BIRD
e-1D0 is FOX HEAD
e-35B SoftBank would be PAIR OF RAISED FOLDED HANDS
e-4B0 is SMALL HOUSE or SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE
e-4B4 is HOSPITAL DENOTED BY CROSS SYMBOL (DoCoMo)

More specific than necessary, I think. We don't call e-4B7 "HOTEL BUILDING WITH CAPITAL H" either. There is a symbol, and there are only so many ways to express that in a representative glyph.

e-4B5 is ALPHABETIC BANK SYMBOL
e-4B6 is AUTOMATIC TELLER MACHINE SYMBOL
e-4C2 is RED LANTERN DENOTING JAPANESE IZAKAYA RESTAURANT
     or JAPANESE RED LANTERN
     ("red lantern" is a symbol for two totally different concepts in European
      culture: a. brothel, b. being the last one in a sports competition)

Noted.

e-4CA is WORKERS MALLET (as it looks different from the common household hammer)
e-4CC is MANS LOW SHOE
e-4D2 (now listed after e_B20) is TRIDENT

Hm. Its Japanese name is actually "Emblem", and it has a specific meaning more like a "Wappen", but I like that an image search for "trident" comes up with close matches to the glyph. Noted.

e-4D5 is LADIES FORMAL DRESS
e-4DD should be encoded as an enclosing combining mark MONEY BAG, which can
     be applied to any currency symbol

I doubt that the UTC will go for another enclosing combining mark, especially one with such limited use. It would also not work for multi-character currencies.

e-4DE is DOLLAR YEN CURRENCY EXCHANGE
e-4DF is CHART WITH RISING CURVE AND YEN SYMBOL
     or RISING CHART WITH YEN SYMBOL

 Not sure, compared with STOCK MARKET. In analogy with e-54B we could call it CHART WITH UPWARDS TREND AND YEN [or currency] SYMBOL. Noted in an issue.

e-4E4 is MONEY BILL WITH WINGS
e-4EF is SINGLE-LENS REFLEX STILL PICTURE CAMERA
e-4F4 is FAECES or PICTORIAL EXPRESSION OF DISDAIN

We have changed this one several times already, to what seems to be the most neutral term now (DUNG). I think I will leave it until the UTC meeting :-)

e-4F7 is CRYSTAL BALL ON RACK

Just CRYSTAL BALL, if we want to describe the glyph, not the meaning. Noted.

e-4FA is MEAT CLEAVER

I had suggested "cleaver", and others said that wasn't what the KDDI symbol means.

e-4FB is TORCH

We tend to use en-US names.

e-4FD this is a nonstandard symbol for window scrolling and must be named in
     a way that it is not mistaken for any ISO 7000 or similar symbol;
     thus it must get a prefix like JAPANESE TELCO SYMBOL if it gets
     no generic name prefix for the emoji set or a subset

"Scroll" is a nice fit for the glyph, even if the use of that glyph to mean "window scrolling" seems unusual to non-Japanese.

e-4FE is ELECTRIC PLUG WITH CABLE
e-4FF is GREEN CLOSED BOOK LYING WITH BACK TO THE RIGHT
     in this way applicable to books to be read from right to left
e-500 is BLUE CLOSED BOOK LYING WITH BACK TO THE RIGHT
e-501 is ORANGE CLOSED BOOK LYING WITH BACK TO THE RIGHT
e-502 is FRONT OF GREEN BOOK WITH LABEL or FRONT OF GREEN NOTEBOOK WITH LABEL
e-503 is STACK OF BOOKS LYING WITH BACK TO THE LEFT
e-505 KDDI is WOMANS HEAD WITH BATHING CAP, SoftBank is PERSON TAKING A BATH
e-506 is LADIES AND GENTS RESTROOMS SIGN
     or WOMENS AND MENS RESTROOMS SIGN
e-509 is SYRINGE WITH DROP OF BLOOD
e+513 is SANTA CLAUS FACE
e+520 is OPENING CONFETTI BALL

Thanks, and best regards,
markus

Asmus Freytag

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Jan 17, 2009, 2:42:38 AM1/17/09
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On 1/16/2009 10:35 PM, Markus Scherer wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Karl Pentzlin
> <karl-p...@acssoft.de <mailto:karl-p...@acssoft.de>> wrote:
>
> e-037 is perceived as astrological symbol also outside of Japan,
> see Google search, therefore a candidate for the U+2Bxx block
> if this block is the successor to the filled U+26xx block
>
>
> I tried to be conservative with proposing BMP code points, only
> proposing symbols for existing BMP blocks when there are already
> similar symbols in the same block. I assume that adding a symbol into
> U+2Bxx because there is a similar one in the (now full) U+26xx block
> would be rejected. In that sense, SMP symbols blocks will be seen as
> extensions of BMP symbols blocks as well.
Markus,

this strikes me as a not very strong rationale. I think Karl's
assumption that the 2Bxx block is the extension of the 26xx block is
largely accurate (it was also conceived at one point to be the extension
of the 23xx block, the geometric shapes, the letterlikes, and the
arrows). Because of that, characters from the emoji proposal that are
clearly suitable as "ordinary" characters, and in particular are
analogous to symbols in the 26xx block would not be out of place in the
2Bxx block. Remember, for those characters that are from the subset of
"ordinary" symbols, there's no reason to treat them like the other
emoji-only characters.


>
>
> e-044 just not to be listed under "nature", the symbol seems
> unequivocally
> to be the newly licensed driver plate.
>
>
> We could move it somewhere else, but it *looks* like a plant-related
> symbol. It seems like it would be a bit like moving the four leaf
> clover to a block with horoscope symbols because it's used for
> something other than its visual shape.

If this is a symbol where the meaning is unrelated to the shape, then
move it.


>
> The name JAPANESE NEW LICENSED DRIVER SIGN seems preferable.
>
>
> We are told that it's now used for all kinds of beginners, not just
> new drivers. We have an annotation to that effect.

"NEWB" would be the best name then. :-)


>
> e-051 is RED APPLE
>
>
> See above -- we have guidance not to encode the color of Emoji symbols
> that the proposed characters can be mapped to, but the appearance of
> the proposed Unicode character itself.
>
>

> e-05B is GREEN APPLE
>
>
> See above.

Karl, this is like the card suits in the 26xx block. They are called
black and white, even though they are obviously intended as black and
red. You would overturn a precedent - not a good thing.


>
>
> e-4D5 is LADIES FORMAL DRESS
> e-4DD should be encoded as an enclosing combining mark MONEY BAG,
> which can
> be applied to any currency symbol
>
>
> I doubt that the UTC will go for another enclosing combining mark,
> especially one with such limited use. It would also not work for
> multi-character currencies.

The enclosing combining key cap was bad enough....

The experience is that these don't work. Defining them is one thing, but
making sure they get supported...


>
>
> e-4F4 is FAECES or PICTORIAL EXPRESSION OF DISDAIN
>
>
> We have changed this one several times already, to what seems to be
> the most neutral term now (DUNG). I think I will leave it until the
> UTC meeting :-)

It's clearly a "PILE OF" ;-)


>
>
> e-4FD this is a nonstandard symbol for window scrolling and must
> be named in
> a way that it is not mistaken for any ISO 7000 or similar symbol;
> thus it must get a prefix like JAPANESE TELCO SYMBOL if it gets
> no generic name prefix for the emoji set or a subset
>
>
> "Scroll" is a nice fit for the glyph, even if the use of that glyph to
> mean "window scrolling" seems unusual to non-Japanese.

Markus, I wonder. Scroll is also a noun. Not likely that this will get a
symbol, but it seems weird to use a term that can be misinterpreted.
Try something else?!

A./

Markus Scherer

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Jan 20, 2009, 4:06:06 PM1/20/09
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On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Asmus Freytag <asm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
   e-037 is perceived as astrological symbol also outside of Japan,
        see Google search, therefore a candidate for the U+2Bxx block
        if this block is the successor to the filled U+26xx block

I tried to be conservative with proposing BMP code points, only proposing symbols for existing BMP blocks when there are already similar symbols in the same block. I assume that adding a symbol into U+2Bxx because there is a similar one in the (now full) U+26xx block would be rejected. In that sense, SMP symbols blocks will be seen as extensions of BMP symbols blocks as well.
Markus,

this strikes me as a not very strong rationale.

Well, as I said, I tried to be conservative.
 
I think Karl's assumption that the 2Bxx block is the extension of the 26xx block is largely accurate (it was also conceived at one point to be the extension of the 23xx block, the geometric shapes, the letterlikes, and the arrows). Because of that, characters from the emoji proposal that are clearly suitable as "ordinary" characters, and in particular are analogous to symbols in the 26xx block would not be out of place in the 2Bxx block. Remember, for those characters that are from the subset of "ordinary" symbols, there's no reason to treat them like the other emoji-only characters.

Ok, all good to know. I will submit an issue for allocating e-037 OPHIUCHUS in the U+2Bxx block. This is what you are suggesting, right?

I would appreciate a list of other symbols that people think should go into a BMP block (and which one).

   e-044 just not to be listed under "nature", the symbol seems
   unequivocally
        to be the newly licensed driver plate.

 We could move it somewhere else, but it *looks* like a plant-related symbol. It seems like it would be a bit like moving the four leaf clover to a block with horoscope symbols because it's used for something other than its visual shape.
If this is a symbol where the meaning is unrelated to the shape, then move it.

Now listed as issue 115.

   e-4FD this is a nonstandard symbol for window scrolling and must
   be named in
        a way that it is not mistaken for any ISO 7000 or similar symbol;
        thus it must get a prefix like JAPANESE TELCO SYMBOL if it gets
        no generic name prefix for the emoji set or a subset


"Scroll" is a nice fit for the glyph, even if the use of that glyph to mean "window scrolling" seems unusual to non-Japanese.
Markus, I wonder. Scroll is also a noun. Not likely that this will get a symbol, but it seems weird to use a term that can be misinterpreted.

I did understand the name SCROLL to be a noun rather than a verb, and the glyph shows a wavy piece of paper (I think).

Try something else?!

Suggestions?
PAPER SCROLL?

markus
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