Confusion in Sindarin Tengwar

[Legolas]

When does W being expressed as Tehtar and when do you express it in the
symbol Vala?

[Kris Kowal]

On 11/16/05, Legolas <Legolas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When does W being expressed as Tehtar and when do you express it in the
> symbol Vala?
>
>

Somebody, do correct me if I'm wrong, but if Tolkien expresses the
transliteration of the word as a "w", and if that "w" is not part of a
consonant like Ungwe, then you express it with Vala. For example
"aiwe" or "wilya".

By the way, I run a Quenya transliteration sever (hack) on
http://cixar.com:8080 .
It makes graphics for arbitrary Quenya strings. It doesn't work
perfectly, but you can use it to produce examples when they happen to
be correct. In this case,

http://cixar.com:8080/wilya?size=40 has a problem with the "y"
diacresis' position, but is otherwise correct, I think.

http://cixar.com:8080/aiwe

http://cixar.com:8080/vala?size=30 works, etc.

Quelomen,
Kris Kowal.

[Legolas]

What is the difference between Arwen and Wilya
since Arwen's w is in Tehtar and Wilya's w is written as Vala

[Kris Kowal]

On 11/17/05, Legolas <Legolas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the difference between Arwen and Wilya
> since Arwen's w is in Tehtar and Wilya's w is written as Vala

This one's up for grabs. My guess is that Tolkien wasn't necessarily
consistent.

[Kris Kowal]

> > What is the difference between Arwen and Wilya
> > since Arwen's w is in Tehtar and Wilya's w is written as Vala
>
> This one's up for grabs. My guess is that Tolkien wasn't necessarily
> consistent.

If you're willing, I'd love to know where this use is attested, who
wrote it, where and when. It would be great to have an attachment of
the image or a link to one.

[Legolas]

Humm.. It was from Thorsten Renk's Sindarin Lesson in his website
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~trenk/elvish
Also the confusion occured on what vowels can be presented in tehtar on
top of Hyarmen
I know A can be written and "I" must be written on a separate carrier
What about others?

[Legolas]

Also what does a bar and a tilde represent?
I've seen tilde being used for extra nasal sound (n,m,ng)
and bar for doubling of a sound
But in other examples this is the opposite
which one is correct?

[Kris Kowal]

Subposed bar is four doubling. Superposed tilde reverts the meaning
of a character to it's value in Quenya. Often, this means adding a
nasal prefix. For the voiced spirants, it also means to change the
value to an unvoiced plosive. For the labials, it means to suffix a
"w". For series III (which I don't recall the name), it means to use
a palatal base. This is not exhaustive. I believe that reversion to
Quenya was desirable when it promoted brevity.

Many thanks,
Kris.