Re: FW: Poor management of swimming pool in Elita Garden Vistasbhatta@Templeton. com

[Ambujakshya ghosh]

All,

Here are my views/observations:

1. Our "learned" friend has written there EGV affairs are managed by
Property Manager and Builder in absence of an association. We don't
have an association? So whom do we pay maintenance and electricity
bills? For kind information to our learned friend the bills are paid
to "EGV Association of Owners". That is the only registered
association we have and rest of it e.g. EGV Cultural Association, EGV
Residents Committee, EGV Pro-Term committee are built by mutual
understanding and interests of certain owners and are non-registered
bodies. Any decision taken up or instructions given by these so-called
committee/association stands null and void

EGV Association of Owners is run by Surekha , Colliers. Mr Puri is the
association president, Mr Nagpal is the secretary and Ms Gupta is the
treasurer. Colliers property management team are the members of the
association. Let me make this very clear to you that this is the one
and only authorised association who handles EGV matters and will
continue to do so unless we(owners) have 51% registered owners
including phase 1 and phase 2 and then the association will be
transferred to owners via democratic election process.
Next time when we speak about non-existence of the association please
read this mail.

2. Coming back to the main incident on the complaint. Our learned
friend doesnot seem to have the full fact. The incident occurred on
last saturday 6th June. It was notified to Property manager on 9th
June afternoon. On hearing the incident he immediately called the
supervisor and the concerned security personnel. The log book and
attendance book was also brought in. On enquring the security by the
property manager and supervisor, the security personnel in question
admitted to the incident. He admitted the following:

"Around 6:45 the lady in question alongwith her parents came to
swimming pool. While the parents went to the pool seamlessly without
any issues with security, the lady was stopped by the security and was
initially enquired why is she not wearing the proper swimming trunks
and she cannot enter the pool. When the lady tried to reason about why
she cannot enter the pool the security asked her to wait and called in
Mrs Kumar (she was sitting nearby the pool) and asked whether the
dress is appropriate to enter the pool. Mrs Kumar reportedly said the
dress is ok. After few minutes the security again came back and asked
the lady to come out of pool as certain other residents started
objecting her dress code. The entire family left after few minutes"

On hearing this entire incident, property manager and supervisor very
clearly told the security that if a resident doesnot enter the pool
with mentioned dress code the security can request. Even if he/she
doesnot listen then an entry is to be made in the log book. That's it.
One owner doesnot have the right to validate other owner's dress code.
The security further told that a certain section of residents has been
threatening the security and ground maintenance staffs that they are
the association members holding high positions and if they donot
listen to their orders they will be sacked from their job. These
section of residents are trying to create disharmony within the
community. On enquiring the residents name, the security didnot
divulge the names for fear of his job. However a warning has been
issued to the concerned security personnel by both property manager
and supervisor.

3. Regarding the ogling incident, similar incidents has been reported
by other ladies. But for obvious reasons these donot come forward.
Personally i would like to thank Prof Choudhury for taking this up
with property manager and i hope in future other ppl can incur courage
to come forward and report their concerns to the property manager

4. I am surprised to hear that a bermuda can jeopardise the health of
gym and swimming pool users. Please remember my learned friend this is
a residential complex and not a military camp. Rules are good to have
but also according to the comfort level of residents. If some one is
not comfortable wearing trunks and has been okayed by the property
manager why would a certain section of residents object to that? How
can not wearing a trunk create health hazards for other ppl? I fail to
understand this

5. We have Surekha (Builders), Colliers(Managing Agent) and
G4S(Security), all three having rich experience in real estate
property management. Any suggestion, ideas can very well be
transferred directly to them. Its upto them to implement or not. There
is no need to have a committee in between to act as a bridge. We are
all educated ppl and can very well communicate. We donot need
committee who tells that they want to make EGV a better place whereas
their actions reflects "DADAGIRI"

EGV IS ALREADY A BETTER PLACE

On 6/12/15, Biplab Das <bcd9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +elitagardenvista@ googlegroups.com
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>
> *From:* EGV Cultural Committee [mailto:egvcu...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 12:30 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: Poor management of swimming pool in Elita Garden Vista
>
>
>
> Dear EGVians
>
>
>
> All of us received a mail from Ms Soma Choudhury, flat no 103, Block 14. We
> normally do not bother all of you with such issues. But we are both
> appalled and alarmed by the tone and content of the mail and hence
> compelled to write to you.
>
>
>
> We sincerely hope that we will not have reason to write on such issues to
> all of you in future as well.
>
> We are appalled because EGV affairs are managed by a property manager & the
> builder in absence of an association. Any impropriety is taken up with the
> property manager for redressal. The security / eve-teasing issue as
> depicted by Ms. Soma has not been taken up with the property manager. There
> are many resident/owner who take up their pain area with EGV Cultural
> committee.
>
>
>
> But that route has also been shunned. Instead it has been taken up with a
> much broader forum i.e. EGV Owners in their personal capacity.
>
> We cannot fathom the reason behind it but find a similarity in recent spate
> of mails trying to do away the existence of EGV Cultural committee in
> particular and spreading rumours in general. Yes, we are referring to the
> recent mails written to all of you by Shri G.Choudhury, Flat 103, Block 14
> AND Soma Choudhury is daughter of G.Choudhury, and by her own admission
> stays in Delhi.
>
> We have reason to be alarmed. Some of the issues are being re-iterated for
> ease of reference vis-a-vis our observations:
>
> - charges of eve teasing- should have complained to security/property
> manager
> - fear of physical harm- inspite of pool side security 24x7;
> paranoid could be an inference
> - most damaging a communal angle- extreme remark doesn’t warranty
> our response
> - claims to represent the ladies of the condo but does not stay
> here- none of the women residents using the pool ever complained nor
> most
> of them know who Soma is
> - Men sitting on the poolside ogling females in swimming pool- most of
> them are our wives/friends wives but none complained; Moreover, Ms Shoma
> could not recognise the faces of those sitting as it was dark. How come
> the
> bird watchers too ogle the target when the distance is long and area
> dark?
>
> Now, coming back to the allegations in particular: We have gone through
> the records (register is maintained at swimming pool) to have a look at the
> charges of Ms Soma Choudhury.
>
> - The swimming pool log book says G. Choudhury +1 entered the
> swimming pool on 06.06.2015 at 6.45 p.m. The timing has over writing
> marks
> and so is the signature.
> - We simply wish to say that Ms Soma Choudhury had entered the
> pool without entering her details in the log book and is a gross
> violation
> of existing rules.
> - We scanned through the security log book and it was clearly
> mentioned by the guard on duty that on 06.06.2015 Shri Choudhury was
> not
> wearing a swimming trunk and on pointing out the same, replied that he
> will enter the pool in that condition only and the security may complain
> to
> whoever and do whatever .
> - It is a fact that we are getting complain that a few
> residents ( Shri G.Choudhury one among them) are entering the pool (as
> well
> as gym) without proper costumes and jeopardising the health of swimming
> pool users.
> - We also enquired with Mrs Kumar and came to know that it is
> Shri Choudhury and not the guard who approached her when she was with
> other ladies practicing for the cultural programme of World Environment
> Day
> celebrated on 07.06.15. He was advised to check with security on his
> Bermuda rather than her.
>
>
>
> This pool, like any other in the civilized world, does not have any
> demarcated area for male and female but users maintain a distance based on
> convenience.
>
> We are aware of the difficulties people faces walking long after taking a
> dip or coming to pool taking shower and is being pursued with the builder
> for a solution.
>
> Finally, You have been writing to us with your problems, thoughts, ideas
> and suggestions -we enjoy the same and welcome it.
>
> Lets keep it healthy in the interest of all and EGV in general.
>
>
> Best Regards
>
> EGV Cultural Committee
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Sanjeev Gupta
>
> Date:10/06/2015 05:49 (GMT+05:30)
>
> To: Shoma Chaudhuri
>
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> Subject: Re: Poor management of swimming pool in Elita Garden Vista
>
>
>
> This is really awful and should be contained asap...
>
> On Jun 9, 2015 10:13 PM, "Shoma Chaudhuri" <adv.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 6th of June last at around 7.00 P.M. I along with my mother went to the
> swimming pool to swim. Certain objectionable issues I encountered on that
> day which I would like to bring before you for your taking immediate
> action.
>
> These are as follows :
> As soon as I approached near the Pool, I found number of adult males
> sitting on the chairs by the Pool side ogling at ladies. One cannot
> identify the faces of those people in question as the area was pretty dark.
> I also came to know that sitting by the Pool side a group of adults in the
> evening till night is a daily phenomenon. Many ladies are disgusted at the
> site but for the fear of being physically harmed they prefer to keep shut.
>
> What business do these people have got to do there at the place of females’
> bathing place? When I was about to touch water, a security guard stopped me
> pointing out the swimming dress I was wearing was not perfect and called
> another senior lady sitting separately to intervene. She observed me and
> said O.K. with the swimming dress. Later I came to know her name and she
> was one Mrs. Kumar. I would like to know why Security Guard on duty called
> Mrs. Kumar to verify my dress? Was she appointed by the Builders’ side to
> supervise the duties of the Security Guards? Sometimes back, two/three
> Muslim ladies also faced problems with the male security guards at the
> swimming pool.
>
> In view of the above, two suggestions are forwarded for your taking prompt
> action before it is too late:
>
> First : All the chairs must be removed from the Pool side so that no one
> can sit idle ogling at females’. But if allowed, it is nothing but
> encroaching upon the privacy and modesty of female members of EGV Complex.
> Second : Immediately remove all male guards manning the ladies area and
> employ only female guards to interact with ladies before someone goes to
> police station for lodging a case of harassment.
> Third : This is a crying need to build a makeshift dress changing room near
> the swimming pool. At present, ladies travel from the existing washing room
> to the Pool side with a swimming costume through the glare of a dozen male
> security guards and passersby, besides those people mentioned above to the
> Pool side.
>
> If there is a need to close down the swimming pool for a short time to get
> the above facilities in place, let us do that. Better to manage swimming
> pool professionally or be ready for ugly consequences. This is certainly
> avoidable.
> We are ready to cooperate with you towards building EGV Complex as one of
> the best in Kolkata. I will be happy to see your respond through execution
> of your action towards right direction as I speak on behalf of all the lady
> residents of the complex and to avoid any untoward incident that hampers
> the peace and reputation of this place.
> Thanks for showing patience to read my mail.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Shoma Chaudhuri
> Advocate
> Delhi High Court
>
> T-14/01-03, EGV, Kolkata.
>
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