saved state

[Alan Zaitchik]

<apology>Yet another newbee question for which I apologize in advance. I am sure it is answered in SCORM documentation somewhere, but my question also relates to "best practice" in your community, so I hope it will be excused.</apology>

Question: Is there a recommended field where arbitrarily defined state can be remembered between launches but which most SCORM-enabled LMS systems would clear if the user asked for a "new attempt" launch. I don't mean a field that has a restricted range of values (e.g. "completed", "incomplete", and so on), but rather application-defined values.

The motivation here is that the SCO would want to save certain pieces of information on a given launch that was not completed, and have them available when/if the same user relaunches the SCO through something other than "new attempt". It would be nice if the LMS understood to ignore the saved state values on a "new attempt".

Thanks,

Alan

[Cor]

Check out suspend_data

 

 

Regards

Cor

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[Ryan Meyer]

Agreed - cmi.suspend_data (in SCORM 2004) or cmi.core.suspend_data (in SCORM 1.2) is meant exactly for this. In 1.2, the spec limits you to 4000 characters, although it's much higher in 2004.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Cor <cor.va...@gmail.com> wrote:

Check out suspend_data

 

 

Regards

Cor

 

From: elearning-technolo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:elearning-technolo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Zaitchik
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Subject: [elearning tech & dev] saved state

 

<apology>Yet another newbee question for which I apologize in advance. I am sure it is answered in SCORM documentation somewhere, but my question also relates to "best practice" in your community, so I hope it will be excused.</apology>

 

 

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[Alan Zaitchik]

Thanks Cor, Ryan.
I will also set the lesson status to 'suspend'.

Alan

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[rsug...@pivotpointelearning.com]

Suspend is not in the list of restricted values for lesson status/completion status.  It is for the exit data element.  When a student quits before completion I normally set the lesson/completion status to incomplete and exit to suspend.

 

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[Alan Zaitchik]

my bad. that's what i meant.

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Subject: RE: [elearning tech & dev] saved state

[Alan Zaitchik]

Using the pipwerks wrapper should

pipwerks.SCORM.set("cmi.core.suspend_data", susp_data);

and

pipwerks.SCORM.get("cmi.core.suspend_data");

work (SCORM 1.2) ?
pipwerks.SCORM.data does not have a "suspend_data" member, and I am somewhat unclear about the Javascript calls that assume this object.
Thanks,
Alan

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Subject: RE: [elearning tech & dev] saved state

[Cor]

I use SCORM 1.2 and this:

 

Pipwerks.SCORM. set("cmi.suspend_data"));

 

Pipwerks.SCORM. get("cmi.suspend_data"));

 

The wrapper handles it for you.

 

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Subject: Re: [elearning tech & dev] saved state

 

Using the pipwerks wrapper should

pipwerks.SCORM.set("cmi.core.suspend_data", susp_data);

and

pipwerks.SCORM.get("cmi.core.suspend_data");

work (SCORM 1.2) ?
pipwerks.SCORM.data does not have a "suspend_data" member, and I am somewhat unclear about the Javascript calls that assume this object.
Thanks,
Alan

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Subject: RE: [elearning tech & dev] saved state

Suspend is not in the list of restricted values for lesson status/completion status.  It is for the exit data element.  When a student quits before completion I normally set the lesson/completion status to incomplete and exit to suspend.

 

Raymond Sugel Sr
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[Alan Zaitchik]

Thanks. That is now working.
Strangely, however,

pipwerks.SCORM.get("cmi.core.exit")

fails. Stepping through the Javascript as best as I can I note that line 188 in the pipwerks API wrapper for LMSGetValue

if (eval('datamodel["'+elementmodel+'"].mod') != 'w')

evaluates to false because the value is 'w' for the "mod" data member. I thus get an error condition back rather than "suspend". Does the 'w' mean I cannot read the exit status, and if so is there some other way I am supposed to check the previous exit status? I could of course just test to see if there is any suspend_data returned! And indeed I will do that since if there is none then I don't really care that the exit status was 'suspend'. Still, I would like to better understand what is going on, if you have the patience to answer this!

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Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 9:20:55 AM

[Ryan Meyer]

That CMI data element (cmi.core.exit), is write only. That's what the 'w' stands for.
The value that you set for the previous launch of a course will not be carried over to the next launch of the course anyway.
The correct approach is what you mentioned - look at the value of suspend_data and react to it being present or not.

Hope that helps!
-Ryan

[Estes Ethan]

You'll want to look at the cmi.core.entry value on reentry. If exit was set to suspend when you left before then the LMS will set entry to resume.  The two work together.

-EÆ

[Ryan Meyer]

Oops, even better answer!

[Alan Zaitchik]

THANK YOU ALL!
This group is unbelievable in the value and speed of the answers and help, and I am very appreciative of the patience you all show.
A

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Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 10:22:20 AM

[Philip Hutchison]

just a quick note: the code you supplied is not from the pipwerks wrapper:

if (eval('datamodel["'+elementmodel+'"].mod') != 'w')

eval is evil, it should be avoided when possible. this is a perfect example of a place where eval is easily avoided.

glad you got the issues sorted out. :)

- philip