scorm.get("cmi.completion_status") and SCORM Cloud
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WL
Sep 19, 2011, 6:46:22 PM9/19/11
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Hi,
I have been working with this snippet from pipwerks and have noticed
that I'm not getting a "passed" completion status when I run the app
in moodle and also in SCORM cloud. Everything else works except
cmi.completion_status. In moodle i get a green tick and the results
tell me that it was completed. But running the app again again it
skips to incomplete even though it has been completed.
Where do you think the error could be
hope this makes sense
many thanks
WL
if(success){
course.lesson_status = scorm.get("cmi.completion_status");
//If course has already been completed
if(course.lesson_status == "passed" || course.lesson_status ==
"completed"){
console("You have already completed this course.");
//Disconnect from the LMS.
scorm.disconnect();
} else {
//Set course status to incomplete
success = scorm.set("cmi.completion_status", "incomplete");
console("scorm.set('cmi.completion_status', 'incomplete'): "
+success);
I have been working with this snippet from pipwerks and have noticed
that I'm not getting a "passed" completion status when I run the app
in moodle and also in SCORM cloud. Everything else works except
cmi.completion_status. In moodle i get a green tick and the results
tell me that it was completed. But running the app again again it
skips to incomplete even though it has been completed.
Where do you think the error could be
hope this makes sense
many thanks
WL
if(success){
course.lesson_status = scorm.get("cmi.completion_status");
//If course has already been completed
if(course.lesson_status == "passed" || course.lesson_status ==
"completed"){
console("You have already completed this course.");
//Disconnect from the LMS.
scorm.disconnect();
} else {
//Set course status to incomplete
success = scorm.set("cmi.completion_status", "incomplete");
console("scorm.set('cmi.completion_status', 'incomplete'): "
+success);
Philip Hutchison
Sep 19, 2011, 7:00:01 PM9/19/11
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re-launching a completed course will change the course status to incomplete... it's viewed as a new attempt.
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WL
Sep 19, 2011, 7:18:55 PM9/19/11
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hi Philip,
that makes sense.
I thought the console would see the completed status and flag up a
"you have already completed this course"message
So say in SCORM cloud or moodle how would I see this "passed" message
in the console.
cheers
WL
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that makes sense.
I thought the console would see the completed status and flag up a
"you have already completed this course"message
So say in SCORM cloud or moodle how would I see this "passed" message
in the console.
cheers
WL
Matt Perkins
Sep 19, 2011, 10:00:35 PM9/19/11
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Is this an LMS behavior or is there anything the SCO can do to prevent it? I'm troubleshooting a similar issue now.
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John Campbell
Sep 19, 2011, 10:09:39 PM9/19/11
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If cmi.exit was set to normal, when you relaunch a sco, all data is reset. If you want the data retained, set cmi.exit to suspend
If you want to exit normally, yet maintain success and completion, you must use global objectives with appropriate read/write maps.
If you "finish" a package and an exitAll navigation request is sent to the lms, all bets are off. Behavior is undefined and LMS specific. Most will not let you enter an existing registration in this state. A new registration is required which equates to a totally separate attempt.
Take care,
jpc
John Campbell
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WL
Sep 20, 2011, 2:16:45 AM9/20/11
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thanks for the reply jpc
I get what you mean re cmi.exit
so can you help me understand what this snippet does. After running
the
if(success){
course.lesson_status =
scorm.get("cmi.completion_status");
//If course has already been completed
if(course.lesson_status == "passed" ||
course.lesson_status ==
"completed"){
console("You have already completed this
course.");
cheers
WL
On Sep 20, 3:09 am, John Campbell <jpcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If cmi.exit was set to normal, when you relaunch a sco, all data is reset.
> If you want the data retained, set cmi.exit to suspend
>
> If you want to exit normally, yet maintain success and completion, you must
> use global objectives with appropriate read/write maps.
>
> If you "finish" a package and an exitAll navigation request is sent to the
> lms, all bets are off. Behavior is undefined and LMS specific. Most will not
> let you enter an existing registration in this state. A new registration is
> required which equates to a totally separate attempt.
>
> Take care,
> jpc
>
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I get what you mean re cmi.exit
so can you help me understand what this snippet does. After running
the
if(success){
course.lesson_status =
scorm.get("cmi.completion_status");
//If course has already been completed
if(course.lesson_status == "passed" ||
course.lesson_status ==
"completed"){
console("You have already completed this
course.");
WL
On Sep 20, 3:09 am, John Campbell <jpcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If cmi.exit was set to normal, when you relaunch a sco, all data is reset.
> If you want the data retained, set cmi.exit to suspend
>
> If you want to exit normally, yet maintain success and completion, you must
> use global objectives with appropriate read/write maps.
>
> If you "finish" a package and an exitAll navigation request is sent to the
> lms, all bets are off. Behavior is undefined and LMS specific. Most will not
> let you enter an existing registration in this state. A new registration is
> required which equates to a totally separate attempt.
>
> Take care,
> jpc
>
> --
> John Campbell
> Sent from Mobile Phone
>
> On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Matt Perkins <nudoru.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is this an LMS behavior or is there anything the SCO can do to prevent it?
> I'm troubleshooting a similar issue now.
>
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>
> Is this an LMS behavior or is there anything the SCO can do to prevent it?
> I'm troubleshooting a similar issue now.
>
> --
> Matt Perkins
>
> On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Philip Hutchison <platelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> re-launching a completed course will change the course status to
> incomplete... it's viewed as a new attempt.
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:46 PM, WL < <teddington...@gmail.com>
> On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Philip Hutchison <platelu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> re-launching a completed course will change the course status to
> incomplete... it's viewed as a new attempt.
>
> > <http://groups.google.com/group/elearning-technology-and-development?h...>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/elearning-technology-and-development?h....
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John Campbell
Sep 20, 2011, 9:05:14 AM9/20/11
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That's not SCORM API or Wrapper code, So I can't tell. I am not
familiar with the pipwerks API. Looking at it as pseudocode, it is
following SCORM 1.2 style of having success and completion in the same
data model element of lesson_status.
familiar with the pipwerks API. Looking at it as pseudocode, it is
following SCORM 1.2 style of having success and completion in the same
data model element of lesson_status.
But it looks like it's just checking to see if a value happens to be
there. For SCORM 2004, these can come through global objectives mapped
to the primary.
Take care,
jpc
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Matt Perkins
Sep 20, 2011, 2:56:13 PM9/20/11
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So as a follow up ...
1. Using Pipwerks and a SCORM 2004 SCO and it's configured to set cmi.exit to "normal" on PASS or COMPLETE status
2. I take my SCO and end with a PASS status and I see this reflected on the LMS screen.
3. I reenter my SCO and the API retreives a lesson_status of INCOMPLETE where I thought it should have been PASS.
This is because the LMS (SCORMCloud in this case) is counting it as a new attempt and resetting lesson_status to INCOMPLETE and I'm not able to determine what value this was set it on the last session.
Is all of that correct?
I don't know too much about SCORM 2004, so I don't know anything about global objectives.
Thanks! Answers to this will help me communicate and work with my client on a resolution.
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Estes Ethan
Sep 20, 2011, 3:00:28 PM9/20/11
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From what your saying Scorm Cloud is working as expected. When you have a success_status of passed, completion_status of completed and exit is normal the lms will assume your done with the attempt. Another launch will either give you a new attempt with empty cmi object or an attempt in review mode which most LMS's treat as throw away so it won't track any of it when you leave.
-EÆ
John Campbell
Sep 20, 2011, 3:00:47 PM9/20/11
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SCORM 2004 does not have a lesson_status. Not sure how pipwerks overloads this, but...
completion_status - completed, incomplete, unknown
success_status - passed, failed, unknown
Therefore you can be passed and incomplete at the same time.
take care,
jpc
Matt Perkins
Sep 20, 2011, 3:03:51 PM9/20/11
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Thanks!
Any way to determine what/how/who/if/etc. the LMS is in review mode? End target is SumTotal and it's behaving like SCORMCloud here. If I reenter a completed/passed SCO and then exit, the LMS now records a status of incomplete. So it appears to be starting a new attempt.
I really haven't worked closely with an LMS in a while - really appreciate the help on this list! Saving me days of Googling! :)
Philip Hutchison
Sep 20, 2011, 3:07:07 PM9/20/11
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Just FYI you can disable the wrapper's default cmi.exit setting if you prefer to handle it manually.
Estes Ethan
Sep 20, 2011, 3:11:51 PM9/20/11
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cmi.mode = "review" in that mode under 2004
for reference:
-EÆ
Matt Perkins
Sep 20, 2011, 3:21:54 PM9/20/11
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It's doesn't override, I misspoke. What you put below is how I'm reporting it to the LMS.
John Campbell
Sep 20, 2011, 3:34:56 PM9/20/11
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doGetValue("cmi.mode") However, not sure the level of support they have for it.
SumTotal is a curious animal. If you go under Completed Registrations and launch again, you will start over, but with much of the state data there. I would not consider that a stable use case (v7.5). I'm just trying to "recall" how that worked. It's been about 18 months since I tried it.
take care,
jpc
Matt Perkins
Sep 20, 2011, 3:43:20 PM9/20/11
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On SCORMCloud cmi.mode is "normal" on initial take and on reentry-after-complete. The next test I send to the client will have this in there so I'll find out what he sees.
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