Printing

[Graham Bowkett]

I print (Canon MP560) out my images as 8x10 prints and keep them in folders. I have recently moved back to B&W and found my B&W prints had a magenta tint. Then yesterday I decided to just use copy paper and surprise, the prints came out B&W not magenta. So I again ran some prints on photo paper (HP Premium Plus from Office Depot). They came out green.

I just ran a controlled set of three prints. Same settings except for the grayscale setting. B&W on copy paper, B&W on photo paper, then a color print on the photo paper. The copy paper print and the color photo paper prints came out just fine. The B&W on photo paper came out green tinted again.

Does this just prove I should buy better paper with profiles to set in the printer or would I just have the same problem. I have the opinion that buying a better printer and quality paper is not the answer as tempting as it is.

Graham Bowkett

[James Carr]

I presume you rechecked your grey scale setting each time. My HP printer is quite picky about the paper type setting matching on both the computer and the printer. The printer produces great results, BUT it resets its color setting every time I change paper types. It has the same cartridge setup as your Canon, so just a thought. 

J Carr

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[Graham Bowkett]

Grey scale setting: In Lightroom, the Print Settings button brings a dropdown with an option Print Settings which allows a number of adjustments. I leave this alone. Under Quality & Media I check the Grey Scale .On the right column when we come down to Color Management I leave the arrow pointing to the left (pointing down changes it to "to remember to turn on color management in the Print dialog" I assume this refers to Color Matching and Color Options in the printer dropdown). And color Managed by Printer.

I don't know of any other Grey Scale Setting.

Thanks for your help.

[Bill Jemison]

Graham - I would suggest that rather than a new printer, that you invest in some calibration tools - something like a color munki that can profile both your monitor and help produce printer paper profiles. You will never regret the money spent. Also, on my Epson 2400 I always print my black and white images as color prints. That is the recommended technique for reasons that I can't recall, but seems to have an effect on dmax as well as tonal expression. Always disable printer color management and use your printing program to do the color management. Properly calibrated and profiled, there will be no unintended color caste. It is very important, no matter the printer and papers, that you have every ink/paper combo you use profiled as a pair.

I'm sorry I can't help with your printer, per se, 'cause I can't see the interface, but the ideas above are more or less universal in my opinion.

Bill Jemison

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[Graham Bowkett]

Bill,

I wrote a reply but somehow it didn't go out or dissolved in the ether. So apologies, I did not ignore you!

I have a Spyder5 and I adjust my monitor. None of the stock retail paper from Canon or Epson appears to have available profiles to type into the system. I have always used the printer not LR to control the colors, so I am resetting it. I just printed a good matching color image using the automatic profile. But LR is telling me it does not have a B&W profile installed. So I will have to try various profiles randomly and see what information I find on YouTube. I do not understand how you profile paper using the monitor calibration. I will look it up on YouTube.

Thanks for your help.

Graham.

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[Bill Jemison]

Graham - I'm not talking about profiling the paper/ink combo with your Spyder5. The one I mentioned - Color Munki - has the capability of profiling both the monitor and paper/ink. Since you are using an HP printer, it makes sense that the Epson and Canon papers don't have profiles ready made for the HP. I use separate devices to calibrate my monitors and my paper/ink combos. 

Have you tried printing one of your black and white images using full color settings? That is how I always print my b/w images. I don’t get color cast when I do it that way. 

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[James Gray]

Graham,

I want to emphasize what Bill has said.  I have been using Epson printers since about 2000.  At some point, somebody gave me some HP paper and it did not work well.  I researched the issue and learned that the difference in technology was such that HP paper did not work well with an Epson printer.  The reverse would be the case as well.  I mostly only use Epson paper.  That is the easy way for me.  The paper comes with profile instructions.  Since you are using an HP printer I would recommend you mostly stick with HP paper.  In my experience, the premium paper vs. the ordinary photo paper makes a big difference.  Generally, you can download profiles off the web for the papers you use.  That is at least true for papers that are used with an Epson printer.  I assume the same applies to HP printers.  It is important to let your Adobe software control the colors, not the printer.  I only print from Photoshop so I do not know if the printer interface is the same for LR and Photoshop.  I use a Mac when I print. There are two places to put in profiles.  One is the printer profile and then the media type.  If I do not make sure both are correct for the specific paper I use, the results are not satisfactory.  I have not normally profiled my papers myself.  Several years ago Eric Jones did some tests and at least for Epson, he found the supplied profiles were almost exactly the same as what he measured.  Like Bill has indicated when I print B&W images I send "full color" images to the printer.  That means the R, G, and B channels are identical.

Another thing I do that apparently a lot of professional people use to get consistent prints is to use the info pallet in Photoshop.  It certainly makes sense to calibrate your monitor.  However, your eyes built-in auto white balance can mess you up and things may look like they have a color cast when they do not or vice versa.  So, I think it is wise to calibrate your monitor and also to examine the numbers in the info pallet.  Neutrals are going to be pixels where R=G=B.  Personally, in Photoshop I also depend on seeing the numbers for the colors in LAB color mode.  For me they make more sense than the RGB numbers.

BTW, my Spyder 5 does have the capability of profiling papers.  I will add that I have boxes of paper that I have had for a long time because I was not happy with the results of using them.

Jim Gray

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[Graham Bowkett]

Bill & Jim,

I use a Canon MP560 printer. I have ordered a box of Canon Pro Luster as Jose Rodriquez (YouTube & Facebook printer) says that will work. In the meantime I will find how to use my Spyder5 to profile paper.

Thanks for your help.

Graham.

Graham Bowkett

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[Bill Jemison]

sorry about that - I do remember that you said you used a canon...not sure where I got HP from.I hope the paper change works out well.

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[James Gray]

Graham,

I think the paper you have ordered will tell you what profiles to use.  I think you will be happy with the result.

Jim Gray

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