Re: Vue 5 Esprit (Vue D'Esprit 5) CT Release Serial 64 Bit
Argimiro Krishnamoorthy
I purchased Bryce 5 a while back. I've never really gotten into it. It just didn't do it for me. Now, I've been hearing great things about Vue. I'm trying to decide if I should give Daz's Bryce another chance or should I get Vue. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I do plan to buy one of them, and I really don't care about the deal at Daz if Vue is a better product.
If money's no object then either version of Vue 5 would be better. I have Vue 4 d'esprit, which is nice but slower than Bryce! It does import P4/5 scenes from a pz3, which is why its handy for me. It was also cheap. Bryce 5.5 is a little faster for some renders than 5 but its selling point is the in interface with DAZ studio. You can import a figure but return to Studio, make some changes and then have the Bryce scene update automatically.
I like Vue heaps better than Bryce myself, but it is more expensive, especially if you want the high end versions (I use Vue Infinite after getting in the upgrade stream by winning Vue 4 Pro in a competition).
Former Bryce user. Pleased to find that Infinite imports Poser 6 ANIMATIONS with textures (requires minor tweaks for transparencies and bump maps) natively; lush environments can be rendered quickly with optimum settings (rendered three DAZ Mil 3 figures in under ten minutes with radiosity); so far I've seen "Ecosystems" render almost 1,000,000 Mil 3 figures (totalling 141 billion polygons); granted it's pricey but you get what you pay for.
Bryce has been untouched almost all the time that Corel owned it; DAZ is just now restarting development on it, and many of the features in 5.5 (discounting the integrated Daz Studio) were actually things that the old Corel team were reported to have been working on. Vue is the better value, as it has been in constant development, and is the flagship product of E-on. If you are only planning to do stills, then Vue5ProStudio would probably be best; it is cheaper, and you can select the modules you want to add. If you are animating, then save up for Infinite (or buy a cheaper version, get Infinite on the upgrade price, and sell the other one to a friend...just make sure you keep a copy of the install code. E-on keys things to your various serial numbers, and an upgrade version will ask for the App code you upgraded from as a verification). Download the Infinite show reel. That was animated by Phoul with Infinite, Poser, assembled in After Effects 6.5 and sound added with SonicFire Pro. Those futuristic cityscapes are the Dystopia models by Mobius 87 (the Poser version). The marching droids are the Dystopia Trooper sold at DAZ. But with the newest versions of Vue you get GI, IBL, HDRI, metablob primitives, and all sorts of goodies.
I would think it's more a question of price, and what your goals are. If you just want to add some still local environments, hills, mountains, a few trees, and use poser plants, I think the bryce/DS combo is a great low cost solution. If you want animation, more realism, and have a high power system for elaborate high quality more realistic renders, then I think the Vue upgrade path is the way to go. My concerns with Vue, have been dicey importing on new releases, and the plethora of versions that have been released in the last few years. I think in 2 years time, we've seen: Vue4 Vue4 pro Vue 5 Vue 5 pro Vue 5 infinite Vue5 studio. Mover 5 That's a LOT of constant upgrading every few months. If Eon/Vue had just stuck with "VUE" and done upgrades, or lower cost add-on packages/plugins for their base product, I'd have probably jumped on the vue bandwagon, but when I've always been JUST about to finally take the plunge, I hear of another new version about to be released, putting the older versions to shame for one reason or another. Vue5 Infinite looks killer, but bryce 5.5 cost me $15 tops, and vue 5 infinite costs like $550... that's a HUGE difference, and I've used even bryce very little. 3D world software has always been fasinating to me, but I've always found a steep learning curve, and too many shortcomings, and frustrations in every single package I've gotten. That's why I upgraded Bryce for the 5.5 price.. I know I will get $15 worth of value from Bryce.. I don't know if I'll ever get th $550 value from Vue 5 Infinite, I don't know if the opengl will work on my system properly, and I don't know, if by the time I learn it, if I'll have to dump another $200-$300 in another new upgraded version of it.
Depends how much you'll use it for. I think Vue is amazing and can produce results that make Bryce look like Microsoft Paint compared to Photoshop. If you can afford Vue, I would definitely go for that. It's features are amazing and the quality greatly surpasses Bryce.
Bryce is ancient.... even Bryce 5.5 is outdated already. Vue is very up to date and implements the latest rendering technology. It has many more features then Bryce has. Vue is a much better choice since Bryce is so far behind that I doubt it will ever catch up. Why settle for outdated stuff if you can get the best for just a little bit more? Even Vue 4 ($69) is better then Bryce 5.5 ($99) and by now Vue 4 is cheaper then Bryce......
Thank you all. The information is very helpful. I'll download a demo of Vue and play around with it. I have Bryce 5 already, and I've only played around with Daz Studio a few times. I user Poser the most and I like the fact that Vue imports and works well with Poser.
"Download the Infinite show reel. That was animated by Phoul with Infinite, Poser, assembled in After Effects 6.5 and sound added with SonicFire Pro. Those futuristic cityscapes are the Dystopia models by Mobius 87 (the Poser version). The marching droids are the Dystopia Trooper sold at DAZ."
Render times, yeah. Good point, Gareee. Vue renders a whole hell of a lot faster than Bryce for a similar quality scene. It does slow down a lot if you use things like radiosity or GI, but then you get much better looking results with those too.
Punt, I do understand that you don't need all those versions. (but it's goo that you pointed that out, since that was not my intended messages.) The point I was making, was that purchasing ANY of them, except the new vue5 infinite, would have lead to very quick "planned obsolecence" because of the newer versions. Yes they would still do what you wanted them original to do, seeing that many versions released in only 2 years time (wasn't vue 4 released around the holiday season 2003 or so?) Plus every time a newer version is released, the older versions drop in price. Granted, that's a fact of life in the PC world, but NOT that many versions in so short a timeframe! If you average them, that's a new major version every 4-5 MONTHS! (6 main versions over 28 total months total guesstimate) Ajax: I expected vue would render faster doing the same type of scene, but for one of those really cool infinite scenes, how long are we looking at for rendertime, say, for a large desktop image, say 1280x1024? I know how bad lightwave gets in similar situations, and I also know how impatient most poser users get with render times. Coming from commercial apps, longer rendertimes are always expected, but I've yet to see any render times for any of the really lush infinite scenes I've seen. (Granted I don't really peruse the vue forums, so I'm quite out of touch.) And just for the record, I'm not dissing Vue's abilities at all..they are making some amazing things available in the 3D world creation market. But Eon's marketing strategies are what I'm questioning. (That said, I just got lightwave 8.3.... 3 new updates, with fixes and new features over the course of the last year, and there was no cost involved at all.. all those updates were free.)
Render times in Vue can be extremely fast or very slow, depends onw what render settings you use. I've played with Bryce 5. Made a scene including Poser figures (after lots of trouble I finally got those Poser figs in Bryce), rendered in about 2 hours. The same scene in Vue 4.5 Pro: Poser import was quick and easy, needed some time to correct the materials, rendered at the same quality as the Bryce render in 10 minutes. At higher quality (soft shadows, distributed raytracing) render times went up fast, the slowest render I ever did in Vue 4.5 Pro took over 24 hours. There's a lot you can tweak in Vue, which will affect render times. Switched to Vue 5 Infinite two months ago. Vue 5 Infinite generally renders somewhat faster, but has new advanced options (global ambience, IBL) that slow down render times. I ditched Bryce. I usually render at 1600x1200 or bigger. Renders almost always contain multiple Millenium 3 figures with hires textures, lots of props, landscapes and so on. I always try to render at 3200x2400 and then resize in Photoshop to 1600x1200. In Vue 5 Infinite I usually use Final quality: more than good enough, and still relatively fast. A complex 1600x1200 still renders in less than an hour on an Athlon64 3500+, 4 GB RAM, 10,000 RPM WD Raptor drives.
I've used the demo version of Vue and loved it, but I have this to say for Bryce. I found it much easier to make my own models in Bryce than in Vue. Mind you, the lighting and atmosphere you can get out of Vue d'Eprit is gorgeous.
I'm not, Tunesy. There's a huge price difference between Vue5 Infinite, and Bryce. It's like comparing Poser, and Lightwave 3d, or Max. And again, I'm not dissing Vue in any way shape or form. It's currently the world render champ. If money's no object, I'd recommend Vue 5 Infinite in a heartbeat as well, but based on their developement marketing history, I'd also say to expect 2 newer better versions sometime this year, with more features, and a higher cost.. so expect to not only spend the $550 for V5I, but also plan on some upgrade costs this year as well.
...dollar for dollar the cheap version of Vue blows away the more expensive version of Bryce. I wasn't talking about Vue 5 Infinite at all. Upgrade costs? Well. Every piece of software I've bought in 20 years has had 'upgrade costs' if one decides to buy the upgrades ;) Aside from the odd patch, is daz planning on upgrading Bryce at no cost to the customer?
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