Re: Israeli scientists find stroke drug could help cure cancer
Alex DeLarge
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> Note that this medical advance comes not from the US privatized system
Why do you hate America, baxturd?
Is it because you really hate yourself for your erectile dysfunction?
Alex DeLarge
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:28:20 -0800, "Baxter"
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>>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126056.html
>>from a foreign, socialized and Union created Public system
> It's already been noted that many of our technological
> advances, come from gov't funded research,
But not in the case of the human genome project, eh Oddsod?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genome_Project
Celera initially announced that it would seek patent protection on "only
200�300" genes, but later amended this to seeking "intellectual property
protection" on "fully-characterized important structures" amounting to
100�300 targets. The firm eventually filed preliminary ("place-holder")
patent applications on 6,500 whole or partial genes. Celera also
promised to publish their findings in accordance with the terms of the
1996 "Bermuda Statement," by releasing new data annually (the HGP
released its new data daily), although, unlike the publicly funded
project, they would not permit free redistribution or scientific use of
the data. The publicly funded competitor UC Santa Cruz was compelled to
publish the first draft of the human genome before Celera for this
reason. On July 7, 2000, the UCSC Genome Bioinformatics Group released a
first working draft on the web. The scientific community downloaded
one-half trillion bytes of information from the UCSC genome server in
the first 24 hours of free and unrestricted access to the first ever
assembled blueprint of our human species. This was a dramatic triumph
for those who champion free access to information, and it occurred just
days before Celera's publishing [8].
Without Celera Genomics the govt. research would have languished.
Because competition is GOOD, you capitalism -hating crank.
Obwon
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>Obwon wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:28:20 -0800, "Baxter"
>> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
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>>> "tdny" <td...@live.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hYCdnW7XI7Yx_W_X...@earthlink.com...
>>>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126056.html
>>> Note that this medical advance comes not from the US privatized system,. but
>>>from a foreign, socialized and Union created Public system
>> It's already been noted that many of our technological
>> advances, come from gov't funded research,
>
>But not in the case of the human genome project, eh Oddsod?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genome_Project
>
>Celera initially announced that it would seek patent protection on "only
>200�300" genes, but later amended this to seeking "intellectual property
>protection" on "fully-characterized important structures" amounting to
>100�300 targets. The firm eventually filed preliminary ("place-holder")
>patent applications on 6,500 whole or partial genes. Celera also
>promised to publish their findings in accordance with the terms of the
>1996 "Bermuda Statement," by releasing new data annually (the HGP
>released its new data daily), although, unlike the publicly funded
>project, they would not permit free redistribution or scientific use of
>the data. The publicly funded competitor UC Santa Cruz was compelled to
>publish the first draft of the human genome before Celera for this
>reason. On July 7, 2000, the UCSC Genome Bioinformatics Group released a
>first working draft on the web. The scientific community downloaded
>one-half trillion bytes of information from the UCSC genome server in
>the first 24 hours of free and unrestricted access to the first ever
>assembled blueprint of our human species. This was a dramatic triumph
>for those who champion free access to information, and it occurred just
>days before Celera's publishing [8].
>
>
>Without Celera Genomics the govt. research would have languished.
>
>Because competition is GOOD, you capitalism -hating crank.
Hahaha... First you make my point for me, wether you
realize it or not, then you call me a crank! Hahaha.
Alex DeLarge
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:43:33 -0700, Alex DeLarge
> <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
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>> Obwon wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:28:20 -0800, "Baxter"
>>> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
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>>>> "tdny" <td...@live.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hYCdnW7XI7Yx_W_X...@earthlink.com...
>>>>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126056.html
>>>> Note that this medical advance comes not from the US privatized system,. but
>>> >from a foreign, socialized and Union created Public system
>>> It's already been noted that many of our technological
>>> advances, come from gov't funded research,
>> But not in the case of the human genome project, eh Oddsod?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genome_Project
>>
>> Celera initially announced that it would seek patent protection on "only
>> promised to publish their findings in accordance with the terms of the
>> 1996 "Bermuda Statement," by releasing new data annually (the HGP
>> released its new data daily), although, unlike the publicly funded
>> project, they would not permit free redistribution or scientific use of
>> the data. The publicly funded competitor UC Santa Cruz was compelled to
>> publish the first draft of the human genome before Celera for this
>> reason. On July 7, 2000, the UCSC Genome Bioinformatics Group released a
>> first working draft on the web. The scientific community downloaded
>> one-half trillion bytes of information from the UCSC genome server in
>> the first 24 hours of free and unrestricted access to the first ever
>> assembled blueprint of our human species. This was a dramatic triumph
>> for those who champion free access to information, and it occurred just
>> days before Celera's publishing [8].
>>
>>
>> Without Celera Genomics the govt. research would have languished.
>>
>> Because competition is GOOD, you capitalism -hating crank.
>
> Hahaha... First you make my point for me, wether you
> realize it or not, then you call me a crank! Hahaha.
Your vaunted gubmint couldn't close the deal WITHOUT private sector
competition.
You lose again - shitstain.
Obwon
<kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>Obwon wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:43:33 -0700, Alex DeLarge
>> <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>>
>>> Obwon wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:28:20 -0800, "Baxter"
>>>> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>> "tdny" <td...@live.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hYCdnW7XI7Yx_W_X...@earthlink.com...
>>>>>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126056.html
>>>>> Note that this medical advance comes not from the US privatized system,. but
>>>> >from a foreign, socialized and Union created Public system
>>>> It's already been noted that many of our technological
>>>> advances, come from gov't funded research,
>>> But not in the case of the human genome project, eh Oddsod?
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genome_Project
>>>
>>> Celera initially announced that it would seek patent protection on "only
>>> 200�300" genes, but later amended this to seeking "intellectual property
>>> protection" on "fully-characterized important structures" amounting to
>>> 100�300 targets. The firm eventually filed preliminary ("place-holder")
>>> patent applications on 6,500 whole or partial genes. Celera also
>>> promised to publish their findings in accordance with the terms of the
>>> 1996 "Bermuda Statement," by releasing new data annually (the HGP
>>> released its new data daily), although, unlike the publicly funded
>>> project, they would not permit free redistribution or scientific use of
>>> the data. The publicly funded competitor UC Santa Cruz was compelled to
>>> publish the first draft of the human genome before Celera for this
>>> reason. On July 7, 2000, the UCSC Genome Bioinformatics Group released a
>>> first working draft on the web. The scientific community downloaded
>>> one-half trillion bytes of information from the UCSC genome server in
>>> the first 24 hours of free and unrestricted access to the first ever
>>> assembled blueprint of our human species. This was a dramatic triumph
>>> for those who champion free access to information, and it occurred just
>>> days before Celera's publishing [8].
>>>
>>>
>>> Without Celera Genomics the govt. research would have languished.
>>>
>>> Because competition is GOOD, you capitalism -hating crank.
>>
>> Hahaha... First you make my point for me, wether you
>> realize it or not, then you call me a crank! Hahaha.
>
>Your vaunted gubmint couldn't close the deal WITHOUT private sector
>competition.
>
>You lose again - shitstain.
The private sector would not have even gotten started
without gov't funded research. Or did you think that the
entire study of genetics somehow sprang into being some 20
years ago? It's been going on for over a 100 years, with
gov't funding the earlier research, before anyone had any
clue that there would be any applications. Businesses don't
invest in technology until they have a money making
application in mind. But, your quick easy reach for
pejoratives, in some lunatic hope that they either bolster
your argument, make you seem superior, or both, actually
do neither. But I wouldn't expect a thinker like you to be
able to discern why.
Alex DeLarge
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:32:43 -0700, Alex DeLarge
> <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>
>> Obwon wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:43:33 -0700, Alex DeLarge
>>> <kor...@milk.bar> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Obwon wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:28:20 -0800, "Baxter"
>>>>> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>> "tdny" <td...@live.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:hYCdnW7XI7Yx_W_X...@earthlink.com...
>>>>>>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126056.html
>>>>>> Note that this medical advance comes not from the US privatized system,. but
>>>>> >from a foreign, socialized and Union created Public system
>>>>> It's already been noted that many of our technological
>>>>> advances, come from gov't funded research,
>>>> But not in the case of the human genome project, eh Oddsod?
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genome_Project
>>>>
>>>> Celera initially announced that it would seek patent protection on "only
>>>> promised to publish their findings in accordance with the terms of the
>>>> 1996 "Bermuda Statement," by releasing new data annually (the HGP
>>>> released its new data daily), although, unlike the publicly funded
>>>> project, they would not permit free redistribution or scientific use of
>>>> the data. The publicly funded competitor UC Santa Cruz was compelled to
>>>> publish the first draft of the human genome before Celera for this
>>>> reason. On July 7, 2000, the UCSC Genome Bioinformatics Group released a
>>>> first working draft on the web. The scientific community downloaded
>>>> one-half trillion bytes of information from the UCSC genome server in
>>>> the first 24 hours of free and unrestricted access to the first ever
>>>> assembled blueprint of our human species. This was a dramatic triumph
>>>> for those who champion free access to information, and it occurred just
>>>> days before Celera's publishing [8].
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Without Celera Genomics the govt. research would have languished.
>>>>
>>>> Because competition is GOOD, you capitalism -hating crank.
>>> Hahaha... First you make my point for me, wether you
>>> realize it or not, then you call me a crank! Hahaha.
>> Your vaunted gubmint couldn't close the deal WITHOUT private sector
>> competition.
>>
>> You lose again - shitstain.
>
> The private sector would not have even gotten started
> without gov't funded research.
Are you on drugs?
https://www.celera.com/celera/history
Celera was founded in 1998 with the mission to sequence the human genome
and provide clients with early access to the resulting data. Using
state-of-the art sequencing technology supplied by Applied Biosystems
and sophisticated internally-developed informatics, Celera pioneered the
application of �shotgun� sequencing. While this �shotgun� approach was
widely criticized at the time, it has subsequently become a standard
method for sequencing complex organisms that is now broadly accepted and
routinely used by many of the same scientists who originally scorned the
approach. Scores of organisms have now been sequenced using the Celera
�shotgun� method.
Celera went on to build a successful database business, providing custom
search tools and software that enabled dozens of pharmaceutical
companies and hundreds of academic, government and biotech clients to
use its findings in biological research. While the Celera database
business ultimately became profitable, it was clear by 2000 that this
was not a sustaining business model, as the public effort caught up and
provided free access to genome sequences.
> Or did you think that the
> entire study of genetics somehow sprang into being some 20
> years ago?
Ah yes, try 19 years ago, for the genome sequencing.
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/project/hgp.shtml
The Human Genome Project (HGP) refers to the international 13-year
effort, formally begun in October 1990 and completed in 2003, to
discover all the estimated 20,000-25,000 human genes and make them
accessible for further biological study.
> It's been going on for over a 100 years,
Not genome sequencing, nope.
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/project/timeline.shtml
1987
Congressionally chartered DOE advisory committee, HERAC, recommends a
15-year, multidisciplinary, scientific, and technological undertaking to
map and sequence the human genome. DOE designates multidisciplinary
human genome centers.
NIH NIGMS begins funding of genome projects.
> with gov't funding the earlier research, before anyone had any
> clue that there would be any applications.
Irrelevant.
> Businesses don't
> invest in technology until they have a money making
> application in mind.
So fucking what?!!
If you expect to apply it to the broader market that is the _sensible_
way to go.
> But, your quick easy reach for
> pejoratives, in some lunatic hope that they either bolster
> your argument, make you seem superior, or both, actually
> do neither. But I wouldn't expect a thinker like you to be
> able to discern why.
Give it a rest Professor Corey, you're as mad as a hatter: