I think it's a very sad day when one of the cities crown jewels is going 
to be turned over to a very select group of land speculators and carved 
up.
In the whole world there are probably only about three to four dozen 
communities, towns, cities who can boast an inner city airport.
Edmonton was one of them.
To say that every other northern community is going to be impacted by 
this decision is an understatement.
It will be very interesting to see what individuals profit the most by 
this shameful action and who they are aligned with on city council.
For shame Edmonton this is a very sad day in your history.
Too fucking bad. As soon as you cheap fuckers in northern Alberta start 
PAYING the fucking costs of keeping that white elephant running, THEN and 
only THEN, do you have the right to comment. Until then, shut the FUCK UP.
Many of those FOR keeping the airport open did so for purely SELFISH 
PERSONAL FINANCIAL reasons.  Too fucking bad for the Oilers and their 
private jets landing there--they can use the fucking international airport 
like all the other sports teams.
Make the whole area into both a park, with an artificial lake, along with 
high rises along the proposed NW LRT route.
I couldn't agree more Sharx.  Now NAIT can expand and keep it's campus in 
one area instead of that site they planned deep in the south side!
-- 
PV
"Little men with little minds and little imaginations go through life
in little ruts, smugly resisting all changes which would jar their
little worlds. Zig Zigler 
Vote out the whole lot!!
Time for a referendum!!
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Member - Liberal International	This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Never Satan President Republic!
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God". They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good. - Ps 53:1
I agree...they have been arguing about this issue for over fifty
years...time to settle it  once and forever.
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On this one, doctor, you and I agree.
 
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John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada
 
     Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
     And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
     With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
     Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
     Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
 I agree, keeping it open for a few northern communities at our expense is 
just plain stupid, I was working in Ft Mac for 2 years on a fly in-fly out 
job and we had to fly out of the International, cuz the plane we were on was 
a 19 seat plane. It seems the only people who use it are people with private 
planes, like I need to subsidize people like that...lol A few northern 
communities, Suits flying in from Cowgary, and all the MLA's from Cowgary, 
it doesn't make sense to keep it open if the people that pay to keep it open 
can't even use the damn thing, consolidating the flights to the 
International so we could get more flights to Edmonton didn't seem to work, 
as I have to fly to Cowgary to get to Toronto.
 There are other small airstrips around  the city for the small private 
planes, medi-vacs can fly to the International, and if time is crucial for 
them they can always use Stars Air Ambulance to cut the time into the city, 
that is if the Tories can keep the Hospital heli-pads up to date.
 Plus we have been lucky that there have been no crashes into residential 
neighborhoods under the flight paths.
just my 2 cents worth....
There ALREADY HAS been a referendum. Where the FUCK were you? Blowing goats 
on some Caribbean island?
I would vote for the Doctor BEFORE I would vote for that idiot Mandel.
You made a lot of sense.
Sharx for Mayor!
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I pretty much agree with this article in the Edmonton Journal:
Muni is not 'my' airport
 
Campaign an attempt to get taxpayers to foot bill for private interests
 
By Lorne Gunter, Lgu...@shaw.ca
June 21, 2009
  
"Airport Not For Sale" is the message on the indignant placards that are 
springing up on private lawns and public boulevards around the city in an 
effort to pressure council into not selling the City Centre Airport for 
commercial and residential redevelopment.
"Save Your Airport," the signs add. "Fight for Flight."
Pardon me. Save whose airport? "Your Airport," the signs proclaim, meaning 
yours and mine.
Sorry, but I fly in and out of Edmonton a dozen or more times each year. 
And I have not taken a flight from "the Muni" in 20 years.
No, wait, that's wrong. The department of National Defence once flew me 
and a bunch of other journalists up to Cold Lake to watch jet fighter 
training exercises and we left from City Centre. So once in 200 or more 
flights, I have flown out of that airport.
If by "Your Airport," the organizers of the sneering "Airport Not For 
Sale" campaign mean "My Airport," then they are mistaken. My airport is 
Edmonton International.
I may not like the fact that I have to drive so far south of the city to 
reach "My Airport," although since the Anthony Henday opened the drive is 
now about five minutes shorter.
I may wish scheduled passenger flights were still operating out of the 
downtown airport. Certainly those people who work downtown and fly back 
and forth to Calgary wish it.
But the fact remains, the voters of this city decided by plebiscite more 
than two decades ago to make Edmonton International "Our Airport." Too 
much work and momentum has gone into diverting air business to the North 
Leduc location to go back now. It's time city council finished the process 
by turning the land our other airport sits on into housing for nearly 
25,000 people.
Those who want City Centre kept open are really just demanding that the 
rest of Edmontonians subsidize their desired outcome.
They want the airport to survive, but they don't want to pay its full 
annual operating costs themselves and they don't want to make up to 
ratepayers the property tax reduction we would enjoy if the land were sold 
to developers, to say nothing of the loss of an exciting new development 
in the city core.
On Thursday, the City released consultants' reports that show the profit 
from sale of the airport would net between $91 million and $335 million.
While this is down from projections of $486 million a year ago, it is 
still a sizable chunk of change, enough in the best-case scenario to lower 
property taxes by two per cent or more a year for 35 years.
It would also end the annual operating losses at the Muni-estimated at 
over $1 million a year-that users of the regions' other airports must 
cover in higher landing taxes and airfares.
It's not much, admittedly. But I don't see the supporters of City Centre 
clamouring to pay extra out of their own pockets to cover the real annual 
costs of their airport choice.
If the effort to save the airport was more than a selfish, self-interested 
endeavour, the organizers' slogan would be: "Sell Us the Airport."
If the Kingsway Business Association and the Edmonton Enterprise Group and 
others want the airport kept open, let them buy and operate it as a 
private airport. If they are so sure a second airport in a city of one 
million is such a viable enterprise, let them take the risk to own and run 
it.
But, of course, if they had to pay $483 million for it or $335 million or 
even just $91 million, they would never do it. So their demand boils down 
to insisting that you and I pay for their vision for them by leaving the 
airport as is and for the next three-and-a-half decades paying higher 
municipal taxes than we would have to.
No thanks. The airport
savers should also stop trying to argue that the use of the 217-hectare 
site as an airport generates anywhere near the economic activity that 
would be generated were the field converted into a residential community 
for nearly 25,000 with a transportation hub, an expanded campus for NAIT 
and shops, restaurants, parks and offices. The reason airports are built 
on marginal land on the fringes of cities -as City Centre was when it 
opened 80 years ago-is that their low-intensity activities (relative to 
commercial and residential uses)make airports uneconomical in city centres 
where land prices are at a premium.
What's more, the medevac argument is a canard. Of the 87,000 takeoffs and 
landings at the airport last year, just three per cent were medevac 
flights and fewer than 400 of those (less than one-half of one per cent)
were flights with critical patients. If fixed-wing medevac flights were 
impossible after City Centre closed, those 400 would not die. Rather, 
their rescues would most likely be switched to helicopters that land 
directly at hospitals.
There may be a lot of arguments for keeping City Centre an airport, but 
none of them is convincing.
Source <http://www.edmontonjournal.com/story_print.html?id=1717970>
> $> And I won't vote for Mandel!
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> $
> $I would vote for the Doctor BEFORE I would vote for that idiot Mandel.
During his first term, I don't think he was too bad.
But this time around, I've heard him say some pretty stupid
things.  Hopefully it's not something they put in the water
cooler in the mayor's office.
Maybe we should have a one term limit for mayors.
To the rest of your comment, I'm sure we can find a better
candidate than the doctor for mayor.  After all, we both
know his track record in Usenet . . ..
Excellent article.
I said Sharx for mayor!! 
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Nobody really gives a rat's patoonie what you said.
I was responding to sharx comment, not yours.
Do you guys still chum around in Toastmasters?
We still do belong to the same TM club.
LOL!!
>
> I was responding to sharx comment, not yours.
>
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>
> John Fleming
> Edmonton, Canada
>
>      Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
>      And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
>      With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
>      Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
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Is Yads as mentally defective at TM meetings as he is on usenet?
> --
>
> John Fleming
> Edmonton, Canada
>
>      Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
>      And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
>      With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
>      Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
LOL!
So Sharx would you consider running for Mayor?
Lets put it this way.  Given his speaking skills and his
currently attained Toastmasters designation, it is tempting
to use the teachers' expression, "performing below grade
level".  Not everyone may agree with me.  However, it's my
perception based on listening to his speeches,listening to
his answers to  table topic questions, and his general
performance at (and preparing for) roles at club meetings.
 How many of you people cryng about the Muni closing actually use the damn 
thing? 
LOL!!
Just as I thought.
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>
> John Fleming
> Edmonton, Canada
>
>      Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
>      And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
>      With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
>      Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
It's really kind of sad.
Well, only Yads can change Yads.
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>
> John Fleming
> Edmonton, Canada
>
>      Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
>      And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
>      With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
>      Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
True. Too true.
First you need the Holocaust facts RH!
FIRST, *you* have to understand we are NOT talking about the holohoax
or me. We are talking about YOU.
> Member - Liberal International  This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
> Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> Never Satan President Republic!
> The fool says in his heart, "There is no God". They are corrupt, and their ways are vile; there is no one who does good. - Ps 53:1- Hide quoted text -