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Steve Hodgson
Jan 7, 2013, 7:46:21 AM1/7/13
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I had always assumed that the street Chancelot Grove was named for the
flour Mills but apparently these were originally located in Dalmeny Street
in Leith.
Is there any connection between the street name and the flour mills?
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Cheers,
Steve
flour Mills but apparently these were originally located in Dalmeny Street
in Leith.
Is there any connection between the street name and the flour mills?
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Cheers,
Steve
Geoff Pearson
Jan 7, 2013, 12:47:28 PM1/7/13
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saying that.
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Alan
Jan 9, 2013, 7:32:15 PM1/9/13
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Bonnington, marching with Easter Warriston in the west and stretching up
from the Water of Leith to the Ferry road. The name seems to have been given
after it was bought by John Robertson, accountant in Edinburgh, in about
1790. It has been ingeniously explained, on the assumption that chance here
carried its modern meaning of ‘accidental’; but the probability is simply
that the name is Scots chance lotin the contemperory meaning of ‘fortunate
or lucky’ feu or plot – the same usage that lead to hostelries being called
Chance Inn. In about 1890 the frontage to Ferry Road was built up as
Chancelot , and this was followed by Chancelot Crescent, named in 1901,
actually in Easter Warristion, was named in about 1937
From The Place Names of Edinburgh by Stuart Harris
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CHANCELOT CRESCENT
TERRACE On the grounds of "ChanceLott' :D. 1827. "ChanceLot", Kirkwood
A.1825. 3/4/1806,eec.j.s. Chancelot, house and garden, Ord.Surv. 1852.
"Thos. Davidson, shoemaker. Chance Inn", m.t.c.16/12/1801 Lands of
Chancelot,e.e.c. 5/10/1820.
from edinburgh.org.uk
Alan
Steve Hodgson
Jan 10, 2013, 2:28:18 PM1/10/13
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Presumably it will scratch some of my itches such as confirming Trinity is
named after a farm connected with Trinity House and the origins of Ebenezer
Mount.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Steve
Alan
Jan 10, 2013, 7:45:55 PM1/10/13
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Trinity was part of lands given by David I to the Abbey of Holyrood in 1128.
In 1505 James VI purchased 143 acres from Holyrood to setup a naval base or
New Haven. The western part of this Crown Land was acquired in 1713 by
Trinity Hospital.
The land seems to have been developed as their farm.
Trinity House dates from 1816-18 and is build on the previous site of
Trinity Hospital from 1555.
Alan
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In 1505 James VI purchased 143 acres from Holyrood to setup a naval base or
New Haven. The western part of this Crown Land was acquired in 1713 by
Trinity Hospital.
The land seems to have been developed as their farm.
Trinity House dates from 1816-18 and is build on the previous site of
Trinity Hospital from 1555.
Alan
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Windmill
Jan 10, 2013, 3:51:34 PM1/10/13
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Steve Hodgson <ham...@gmail.com> writes:
>That sounds like a fascinating book and I'm going to have to get a copy!
>Presumably it will scratch some of my itches such as confirming Trinity is
>named after a farm connected with Trinity House and the origins of Ebenezer
>Mount.
For years now I've wondered about the inscription cut low down into the
>That sounds like a fascinating book and I'm going to have to get a copy!
>Presumably it will scratch some of my itches such as confirming Trinity is
>named after a farm connected with Trinity House and the origins of Ebenezer
>Mount.
stone wall which announces the name there to be Ebenezer Mount.
Wondered sometimes if the builder/buyer didn't pay well!
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Sam Wilson
Jan 11, 2013, 5:10:09 AM1/11/13
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In article <MGFGL...@freebie.onetel.net.uk>,
be a religious allusion rather than a Dickensian reference?
<http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel%207:12&version=NE
T>
Sam
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spam-n...@Onetel.net.uk.invalid (Windmill) wrote:
> Steve Hodgson <ham...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >That sounds like a fascinating book and I'm going to have to get a copy!
> >Presumably it will scratch some of my itches such as confirming Trinity is
> >named after a farm connected with Trinity House and the origins of Ebenezer
> >Mount.
>
> For years now I've wondered about the inscription cut low down into the
> stone wall which announces the name there to be Ebenezer Mount.
>
> Wondered sometimes if the builder/buyer didn't pay well!
Would it be pedantic to point out that the name is much more likely to
> Steve Hodgson <ham...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >That sounds like a fascinating book and I'm going to have to get a copy!
> >Presumably it will scratch some of my itches such as confirming Trinity is
> >named after a farm connected with Trinity House and the origins of Ebenezer
> >Mount.
>
> For years now I've wondered about the inscription cut low down into the
> stone wall which announces the name there to be Ebenezer Mount.
>
> Wondered sometimes if the builder/buyer didn't pay well!
be a religious allusion rather than a Dickensian reference?
<http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel%207:12&version=NE
T>
Sam
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Alan
Jan 11, 2013, 10:37:41 AM1/11/13
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"Sam Wilson" wrote in message
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I can't find any reason for the name but the Scotsman Archive finds 5
references.
1 birth notice (1886)
2 death notices (1884 & 1890)
1 lost dog (1886)
1 which seems to be an error
However 1893 maps show Ebenezer Mount to be the terraced property from the
junction of Newhaven Road eastward. Only the first block. What today is the
guest house on the corner to number 172.
If you look at the property on the other side of the road they are very
similar, if not exactly the same design so I'd guess that they were built by
the same developer. The next door buildings are quite different.
These was a church called Ebenezer United Free, interestingly the church
still exists at 31 Bangor Road, the Manse of which was at 262 Ferry Road,
now a guest house near Bangholm Place.
It must have been renamed between 1893 and 1909 as I can references in the
Scotsman Archive to the properties of 180 -172 Ferry Road but only from 1909
onward.
Alan
Speug
Jan 11, 2013, 1:01:29 PM1/11/13
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Re Ebenezer Mount
See
http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/1_edin/1_edinburgh_history_-_recollections_leith_street_names.htm
Old street names on buildings and walls in Leith - Ebenezer Mount
The name may be connected with the Ebenezer Church, NSW Australia. The
church was founded by settlers from the UK, (England and Scotland) in 1809.
The settlers were known as 'The Presbyterian Free Settler Group' arriving in
Australia onboard the colonial transport ship 'Coromandel' in June 1802.
This was, and still is, a Presbyterian Church with connections to The Church
of Scotland. The first meetings of what became the Ebenezer Church took
place on a hill known locally as Ebenezer Mount, Ebenezer, NSW.
The Coromandel and Ebenezer Church web sites give information relating to
the above."
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See
http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/1_edin/1_edinburgh_history_-_recollections_leith_street_names.htm
Old street names on buildings and walls in Leith - Ebenezer Mount
The name may be connected with the Ebenezer Church, NSW Australia. The
church was founded by settlers from the UK, (England and Scotland) in 1809.
The settlers were known as 'The Presbyterian Free Settler Group' arriving in
Australia onboard the colonial transport ship 'Coromandel' in June 1802.
This was, and still is, a Presbyterian Church with connections to The Church
of Scotland. The first meetings of what became the Ebenezer Church took
place on a hill known locally as Ebenezer Mount, Ebenezer, NSW.
The Coromandel and Ebenezer Church web sites give information relating to
the above."
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charles
Jan 11, 2013, 1:25:40 PM1/11/13
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There are also Ebenezer Baptist Churches in Wales and New England as well
as Ebenezer Methodist Churches. Some of them are 18th Century, predating
the Australian one.
The question is: who was Ebenezer?
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
as Ebenezer Methodist Churches. Some of them are 18th Century, predating
the Australian one.
The question is: who was Ebenezer?
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Richard Tobin
Jan 11, 2013, 2:54:24 PM1/11/13
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In article <530c7c3b...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
As Sam said, it's probably a Biblical reference. In 1 Samuel 4, the
Israelites are defeated by the Philistines at a place called Ebenezer.
Later in 1 Samuel 6-7 they defeat the Philistines, and Samuel sets
up a stone called "Ebenezer" meaning "So far the Lord has helped us".
It's generally assumed that these battles were both in the same place,
and the naming by Samuel is just to explain the name, or to gloss
over an earlier use of the stone as a fetish.
Christians might thus name a church Ebenezer to indicate that they
have had God's help.
-- Richard
As Sam said, it's probably a Biblical reference. In 1 Samuel 4, the
Israelites are defeated by the Philistines at a place called Ebenezer.
Later in 1 Samuel 6-7 they defeat the Philistines, and Samuel sets
up a stone called "Ebenezer" meaning "So far the Lord has helped us".
It's generally assumed that these battles were both in the same place,
and the naming by Samuel is just to explain the name, or to gloss
over an earlier use of the stone as a fetish.
Christians might thus name a church Ebenezer to indicate that they
have had God's help.
-- Richard
Windmill
Jan 11, 2013, 11:00:11 PM1/11/13
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Sam Wilson <Sam.W...@ed.ac.uk> writes:
>In article <MGFGL...@freebie.onetel.net.uk>,
> spam-n...@Onetel.net.uk.invalid (Windmill) wrote:
>> Steve Hodgson <ham...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> >That sounds like a fascinating book and I'm going to have to get a copy!
>> >Presumably it will scratch some of my itches such as confirming Trinity is
>> >named after a farm connected with Trinity House and the origins of Ebenezer
>> >Mount.
>>
>> For years now I've wondered about the inscription cut low down into the
>> stone wall which announces the name there to be Ebenezer Mount.
>>
>> Wondered sometimes if the builder/buyer didn't pay well!
>Would it be pedantic to point out that the name is much more likely to
>be a religious allusion rather than a Dickensian reference?
><http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel%207:12&version=NE
>T>
Not at all. Not being much impressed by the Bible (except
>In article <MGFGL...@freebie.onetel.net.uk>,
> spam-n...@Onetel.net.uk.invalid (Windmill) wrote:
>> Steve Hodgson <ham...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> >That sounds like a fascinating book and I'm going to have to get a copy!
>> >Presumably it will scratch some of my itches such as confirming Trinity is
>> >named after a farm connected with Trinity House and the origins of Ebenezer
>> >Mount.
>>
>> For years now I've wondered about the inscription cut low down into the
>> stone wall which announces the name there to be Ebenezer Mount.
>>
>> Wondered sometimes if the builder/buyer didn't pay well!
>Would it be pedantic to point out that the name is much more likely to
>be a religious allusion rather than a Dickensian reference?
><http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel%207:12&version=NE
>T>
Ecclesiastes), I don't read it, so never saw that line. It explains
Dickens' choice of a name though.
Windmill
Jan 11, 2013, 11:07:09 PM1/11/13
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ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) writes:
>In article <530c7c3b...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
>charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>The question is: who was Ebenezer?
>As Sam said, it's probably a Biblical reference. In 1 Samuel 4, the
>Israelites are defeated by the Philistines at a place called Ebenezer.
>Later in 1 Samuel 6-7 they defeat the Philistines, and Samuel sets
>up a stone called "Ebenezer" meaning "So far the Lord has helped us".
I can imagine Presbyterians of the old school naming a building on that
>In article <530c7c3b...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
>charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>The question is: who was Ebenezer?
>As Sam said, it's probably a Biblical reference. In 1 Samuel 4, the
>Israelites are defeated by the Philistines at a place called Ebenezer.
>Later in 1 Samuel 6-7 they defeat the Philistines, and Samuel sets
>up a stone called "Ebenezer" meaning "So far the Lord has helped us".
way as an exercise in humility. "Thy will, not mine" etc.
>It's generally assumed that these battles were both in the same place,
>and the naming by Samuel is just to explain the name, or to gloss
>over an earlier use of the stone as a fetish.
>Christians might thus name a church Ebenezer to indicate that they
>have had God's help.
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The Real Doctor
Jan 13, 2013, 2:13:57 PM1/13/13
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On 11/01/13 19:54, Richard Tobin wrote:
> Christians might thus name a church Ebenezer to indicate that they
> have had God's help.
Wales is cover with Methodist Chapels with names like "Ebenezer",
> Christians might thus name a church Ebenezer to indicate that they
> have had God's help.
"Tabernacle", "Zion" and so on.
Ian
Richard Tobin
Jan 13, 2013, 8:32:13 PM1/13/13
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In article <MGHv4...@freebie.onetel.net.uk>,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebenezer_Scrooge#Origins
-- Richard
Windmill <spam-n...@Onetel.net.uk.invalid> wrote:
>It explains Dickens' choice of a name though.
The explanation for that was formerly in Canongate churchyard:
>It explains Dickens' choice of a name though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebenezer_Scrooge#Origins
-- Richard
Steve Hodgson
Jan 14, 2013, 4:26:16 PM1/14/13
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In article <kcvn6t$jfo$1...@matchbox.inf.ed.ac.uk>, Richard Tobin
Fascinating link. Thanks.
Cheers,
Steve
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Windmill
Jan 15, 2013, 1:11:50 AM1/15/13
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(And depth).
Windmill
Jan 15, 2013, 1:13:13 AM1/15/13
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Reminds me of certain politicians.
Windmill
Jan 15, 2013, 6:26:31 AM1/15/13
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I'll have to try a search for a DVD of Alistair Sim as Scrooge, and a
CD of Stan Freberg's Green Chri$tmas$.
Unless anyone knows?
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