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Sue Butler
Jan 8, 2025, 9:30:02 AM1/8/25
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Hi Alpha
Models as tests can mislead us.
To investigate the question you raise, we must use reality based evidence.
We must investigate the actual humidity of desert air in comparison to the humidity over green wet lands.
As Anastasia says, the hazes function as greenhouse gasses.
The question I read here is,
Are there hazes over deserts or cities, unprecipitated humidity, contributing to the heat problem?
This cannot be tested by a model or simulation.
It must be measured in reality, over deserts and cities and over green, wet lands.
Thank you for your care and concern,
Sue Butler
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Jellyfishpoetry <jellyfi...@protonmail.com>: Jan 08 02:08AM
Hi,
Millan Millan says in his interview on Investing in Regen Ag podcast, that when you have less transpiration, then the water vapor stays in air longer, creating green house warming (as water vapor absorbs solar radiation).
Marysa Lague, did ran climate models with all wet lands, and all desert lands. The all wet lands had a cooler world, because the water vapor residence time was less. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/acdbe1
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Tom Goreau <gor...@globalcoral.org>: Jan 07 02:26PM
Thanks for this, Neal!
Lying carbon speculators are holding back essentially needed environmental solutions everywhere in the world with false promises of investment money.
Your experience with saline wetlands fully agrees with my experiences in other places and other ecosystems around the world.
I’m just back from the Maldives, where dredgers are working non-stop creating sand banks for luxury beach resorts, killing coral reefs that provide and protect the sand.
Corals and mangroves can’t provide immediate kickback$ to guarantee permit$!
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Peter Paap <peter...@farmtree.earth>: Jan 06 02:10PM
Hi Erica,
Indeed, a Sponge planet would be one I think we can all thrive in. Hence my plea to concentrate our efforts for ecosystem restoration in watersheds and marine conservation areas, preferably even promoting a spatial reshufling of administrative borders along these lines. And a phased approach starting with the ecological network.
Cheers,
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I like the term Sponge Planet idea that is described in the paper. Did you come up with that phrase?
I like the idea described in your paper that Sponge Planet is composed of local slow water projects.
alpha
On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:16 AM Erica Gies <er...@2141.net<mailto:erica<mailto:erica>@2141.net>> wrote:
Hi all,
I've published a Comment today in Nature Water with Kongjian Yu, Mr. Sponge City, as I've dubbed him, and Dr. Warren Wood. Here's what I wrote about it on LinkedIn:
Mr. Sponge City, Kongjian Yu, makes cities porous to soften floods & droughts. I told his story, part of the global hashtag#slowwater<https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?keywords=slowwater&highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A7280644232963354625> movement, in my book "Water Always Wins." Now we & Dr. Warren Wood have a Comment in Nature Water on how to help stabilize the climate: a Sponge Planet. Humans have degraded 75 percent of Earth's land, destabilizing the
#water<https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?keywords=water&highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A7280644232963354625> cycle, amplifying effects of excess CO2. The water cycle is a key climate stabilizer but overlooked by policymakers. Restoring wetlands, floodplains, forests, recreating a Sponge Planet, will help.
Linked In wouldn't let me put a link, but here it is in case anyone wants to share it elsewhere: https://rdcu.be/d5ouG
Linked In did allow me to upload the PDF, however, so you can find that on my profile in LinkedIn.
Happy new year!
Erica
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Erica Gies <er...@2141.net>: Jan 06 10:33AM -0800
Hi Alpha,
Sponge Planet is Kongjian's coinage, as was (to my knowledge) Sponge
Cities. I profiled his Sponge Cities idea in Scientific American in 2018 (
https://ericagies.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Sponge-City-Revolution-Gies-SciAm.pdf),
and when I visited him in Beijing then, he showed me maps he had of China
marking all kinds of ecological patterns, as well as human civilization
patterns, and he told me he was thinking country-wide, and continent-wide.
"It's time to expand the scale," he said.
Expanding the scale is something I hear from nearly all my sources for
"Water Always Wins." Small Slow Water local projects, many thousands of
them, is locally empowering. And every little bit helps, and the effect is
cumulative. So when Kongjian asked me to be a coauthor for this Comment
(and I ended up rewriting it because I write for Nature and know what they
would agree to publish), I called them Slow Water projects, as I did in my
book.
Best,
Erica
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Rachel Carson Award for Excellence in Environmental Journalism
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Rob Lewis <earthcraf...@gmail.com>: Jan 06 08:53AM -0800
Thanks Judith and Rob for your attention to this. It will be interesting to
hear what sort of response you get, Judith. Keep us posted
It makes me think of how the storms in Valencia, smack dab in the middle of
Millan's study area, were reported on as a purely CO2 event, with no
mention of Millan or his findings anywhere. As Millan often said, when it
comes to climate and land/water interactions, the modellers "just can't see
it."
Rob L.
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Neal Spackman <neal.s...@regenerativeresources.co>: Jan 06 08:26AM -0700
https://open.substack.com/pub/nealspackman/p/the-false-promise-of-blue-carbon?r=6yyg3&utm_medium=ios
Hi all,
Published this today after being on multiple coastal projects the last 5
years, on the False Promise of Blue Carbon.
Happy New Year!
Neal
Peter Paap <peter...@farmtree.earth>: Jan 06 04:22PM
Hi Neal,
I can feel the frustration dripping from your piece; I commend you on your tenacity. I would also say that climate impact investing is a ruse to get more high tech solutions funded, ignoring the more obvious NbS. I fear that the new hype of blended crediting will not provide any leeway with regards to the overly risk averse attitude of investors. Mind you, many of those are publisizing themselves as private sector investment while filling their funds with public sector money (bugger 'm - my tax euros!!). Question is: how do we change this?
Only if investors are willing to lower their requirements with regards to due dilligence and prospected financial ROI, we might get somewhere. Can we find a way to rate impact investers on those criteria?
Cheers,
Peter
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Hi all,
Published this today after being on multiple coastal projects the last 5 years, on the False Promise of Blue Carbon.
Happy New Year!
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