Voltaire : "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it"
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Melvin C to Pavlik E I agree that offensive material, not just cartoons, but any offensive
material it is probably not a good idea to share. I just dont think
it's easy to be the judge of what is fair game or not. Not sure that
anecdotal evidence from friends solves the problem. I would rather
think about *how* something is shared to make it less offensive, instead
of *what* to share and what *not* to share ...
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
http://simple.wikiquote.org/wiki/Voltaire
Simple: I do not have to agree with what you believe and what you say,
but I will make sure that you are allowed to say what you want.
Dante-Gabryell MonsonAs
for "Trolling" , which again can be relative , we can surely find ways
to enable people to express themselves while adding additional layers of
information to enable contextualisations and personal choice. For
example, some forums have upvote and downvote approaches, one can have
the same but positioned differently on a page, moving a reply more on
the right or the left depending on if people consider it in one way or
another, without necessarily requiring censure. If there is too much
information, people can choose themselves in such a system, based on
available metadata , to change the algorithms of visualization.
Actually, this is already what facebook does in its algorithms, and we
have little choice on what algorithms are being adopted, which in many
ways may also be seen as a form of quasi censure. Up to us to empower
ourselves, which is what may lead some of us to work on information
architecture approaches. In the case of Charlie Hebdo, they had their
separate magazine / newspaper. As porn have their separate magazines ,
right wing catholics have their own magazines, left wing catholics have
their own magazines , and so forth. It does become dangerous when
hate is brought forward, as it may directly lead to committing a crime.
In such case, talking and bringing greater understanding to all
involved by certain feelings to find deliberative non violent ways can
be suggested, and in worst case scenarios, situational awareness can
enable identifying who may be more likely to commit a violent crime and
how to reduce the likelihood of being exposed to it.
Pavlik EOk,
so I understand you wouldn't support people who block nazi
demonstrations? I don't add here any of my opinion just note that it
also fits under limiting someone's freedom of expression...
Dante-Gabryell MonsonYou
can be supportive of people expressing opposing views, while allowing
those who oppose your own views to express their views too, and open up a
debate. Non violently. This can be the case in demonstrations and
counter demonstrations, too. Adding information and
contextualizations, for increased choice, not subtracting.
Pavlik EThanks
everyone for sharing *your points of view* in reply to *my point of
view*. I really feel like I shouldn't dedicate any more of my (currently
still) scarce time to this conversation!
Melvin CPavlik E ... you cant play the Nazi card in a censorship debate, and then leave! Now that's offensive!
I
actually find all the fuss about the Paris attacks on my time line
offensive. Why? Because I wake up every morning knowing that 35.000
children
under the age of 5 die every day from preventable causes. And I wonder
what I and technology can do to help. Doesnt make many time lines tho,
does it? It's offensive because another plight is elevated above them,
because they dont have access to wealth or media. But I learn to be
tolerant of others views, this is really what we'd like to try and
increase.
Apart
from the event. As a talking point, the ideas of censorship, media,
tolerance and offensiveness may be helpful tho to understand the wider
issue and help with a solution.
As
the world gets more connected (Global Village) inevitably tensions will
be played out through new media, and often in ways that rub people up
against each other. Tools for media should be found so that we can
optimize how to diffuse these tensions.
I
really think technology can play a role here by allowing people to not
take things so seriously an diffusing violence. To giving people good
feedback on what's welcome and what's not. And allowing people to grow
online identities and reputations independent of facebook. This is
where I see Henry Story's WebID to be pivotal. Pavlik Elf
would do well to devote some of his scarce spare time to getting his
web 2.0 following to join forces with that, and we may move to a
friendlier, less offensive and more fun world ...
Peace!
Dante-Gabryell MonsonYes,
hence us converging to develop distributed communication tools that can
be used to facilitate situational awareness in an emergent approach
while also mutually empowering layers of data for suggestions, and then
engagements in relation to such suggestions
and about broader contextual data, as to enable economic networks and
distributed forms of emergent governance. Freedom of information is
central in this. Including freedom at the level of communication of
information via the internet, which is now in question at a french but
also at a european level, as the charlie hebdo attacks are now
instrumentalized to put forward directives that may limit our ability to
communicate with each other.