FS: Topware UK-INFO CD - Now in stock Telephone and Address Information for the UK
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FS: UK-INFO Address and telephone Information for the UK
**LAST REMAINING SUPPLIES IN UK - BUY NOW!**
The key features of >>UK-Info<<
* More than 15.7 million listings of current phonebooks including
addresses
* Including Great Britian and Northern Ireland
* Identification of people/businesses by the phone number
* Direct display of street, city and phone number
* Error tolerant search facility of the whole database allowing for
the different ways of writing
* Listing of all people/businesses sorted alaphabetically
* Unlimited export facility of ready-for-mailing-data including the
respective phone number
* Unlimited export facility for the listing of all entries accouring
to the last name
* Export facility of people/businesses by street and also of
individual records
* Interface for DOS, Windows and Windows '95
* Fast working and easy to use
If you want further details on it or wish to buy it, please email :
in...@gparkin.demon.co.uk
Nigel Barker
Would this be the wildly inaccurate V1.0?
Not bad value for 20 quid but you certainly can't depend on the
information. My own address for example is almost completely garbled.
--
Nigel Barker
ni...@openvms.demon.co.uk
Les Reeves
>* More than 15.7 million listings of current phonebooks including
>addresses
It may have that many numbers but it is 2 years plus out of date.
As you seem intent on spamming so many groups why do you not post how
much you are selling this peice of software that retails at 19.95 or
below?
Fishing are we? Hoping someone is gonna offer you some silly price for
this crap peice of software? Dont get me wrong if it was up to date it
would be worth 20 quid. My number changed 3 years ago - it still lists
the old one!
Unless its being sold for less than a tenner - avoid......
============================================================
Les Reeves Oooh he's making it
http://www.ftech.net/~bizzy/ up as he goes along.
l...@bizzy-print.co.uk
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Peter Goddard
l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
>"
>"Unless its being sold for less than a tenner - avoid......
There's been a lot of press about this software, most of it
acknowledging that the database is flawed but pointing out that it
still represents remarkable value. BT attempted (and failed) to bury
it, although they did succede in having it withdrawn temporarily. As a
consequence it has forced BT to be more realistic in the pricing of
its own database, although this is still ludicrously overpriced and
disfunctional.
I for one am quite happy to "risk" around £20 for something that will
prove useful on a number of occasions. I do have trouble trying to
fathom out the motivation of individuals who rush to scream "rubbish"
when these things are offered - particularly when the price is not
unreasonable. It must be some kind of gene deficiency? Try eating more
greens...
Incidently, I haven't changed my 'phone for around thirteen years now
and I'm sure I'm not unique. If Encarta and Autoroute are out of date
the instant they are published, why should a cheap 'phone number
database be expected to bdifferent?
_____________
Peter Goddard
Animal House
Everyone's entitled to an opinion......
(Shame they're all wrong!)
Les Reeves
On Sun, 05 Jan 1997 19:41:37 GMT, God...@animalhouse.nildram.co.uk
(Peter Goddard) ranted:
>I for one am quite happy to "risk" around £20 for something that will
>prove useful on a number of occasions. I do have trouble trying to
>fathom out the motivation of individuals who rush to scream "rubbish"
>when these things are offered - particularly when the price is not
>unreasonable. It must be some kind of gene deficiency? Try eating more
>greens...
Bully for you. My main gripe on this subject is that I suspect the guy
is fishing for an inflated offer. I have seen it done here several
times - and this item seems to attract attempts like a magnet. If you
are happy that someone thinks they are getting the software that is
advertised - and offers say 100 quid. Then in my opinion they have
been misled and cheated. As this guy has repeatedly posted this item
and never listed a price - then its not unreasonable that this is the
case!
As far as gene deficiency - I would suggest if you think this software
is good - it is you who should "try eating more greens"
>Incidently, I haven't changed my 'phone for around thirteen years now
>and I'm sure I'm not unique.
Haven't changed your phone? What still one of those old dial ones? Cor
you are easily pleased!
Anyway since you are such a supporter of this, hope your happy
spamming all those newsgroups with this your gene deficient opinion.
regards
Les
Peter Goddard
l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
>" My main gripe on this subject is that I suspect the guy
>"is fishing for an inflated offer.
Shame you didn't get the facts first. He isn't.
>" As this guy has repeatedly posted this item
>"and never listed a price - then its not unreasonable that this is the
>"case!
It is unreasonable if you are too idle to exchange an eMail to find
out if your suspicions are correct. In this case you are 100% wrong
and simply burying yourself by making false claims based on ignorance
of the facts.
>"As far as gene deficiency - I would suggest if you think this software
>"is good - it is you who should "try eating more greens"
Before you "snipped" my posting I had already pointed out that this
software has known deficiencies. It often helps to try and present a
balanced case - try it sometime?
>"Anyway since you are such a supporter of this,
I'm not a particular supporter. But I do believe in balance and
thought you needed tilting!
>" hope your happy spamming all those newsgroups with this your gene deficient opinion.
Nope, I've only posted replies to your gene-rous comments.
Spam comes in cans. How about canning this one?
Regards
Peter Goddard
Ray higgins <rhig...@rhiggins.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>"In article <32d0013d...@news.nildram.co.uk>, Peter Goddard
>"<God...@animalhouse.nildram.co.uk> writes
>">l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
>">
>">>"
>">>"Unless its being sold for less than a tenner - avoid......
>">
>">There's been a lot of press about this software, most of it
>">acknowledging that the database is flawed but pointing out that it
>">still represents remarkable value. BT attempted (and failed) to bury
>">it, although they did succede in having it withdrawn temporarily. As a
>">consequence it has forced BT to be more realistic in the pricing of
>">its own database, although this is still ludicrously overpriced and
>">disfunctional.
>">
>
>"ah but did you realise that there are two versions of this software a
>"german version (in english) and a british version (still in english) the
>"difference being the german one has been banned in the u.k as you can
>"trace an address by putting in a telephone number, the british version
>"will only allow you to trace a number by putting in the address. if this
>"is so then this seems to be the german version.
>"--
>"Ray Higgins
Yes.
As far as I am aware BT had it banned temporarily while litigation
proceded. The litigation failed. It is no longer banned. That's what
the posting said!
Martin Fiddler
I bought it for £15 at a computer fair (one of the Northern
Computer Markets) where several traders were selling them.
However, it is useless!! Some members of my family haven't
moved or changed number for a decade, but they're not listed.
In my own road, with 100 houses, only about 6 of them are listed.
Also, it only includes one initial plus the surname, which makes
finding people long winded, and many entries are repeated
several times. The edition I have is the German one in English.
In article <852586...@noelsys.demon.co.uk>,
ern...@noelsys.demon.co.uk says...
>
>Where is it being retailed for 19.95 or less?
>
>Thanks
>--
>ernest at Noel Systems, near Kingston-upon-Thames (UK)
>
--
Martin
m.fi...@staffs.ac.uk
Les Reeves
>>" My main gripe on this subject is that I suspect the guy
>>"is fishing for an inflated offer.
>Shame you didn't get the facts first. He isn't.
Oh and you know that do you? Well why is it he is asking 29.95 then?
Shame you didn't get your facts right.
>It is unreasonable if you are too idle to exchange an eMail to find
>out if your suspicions are correct. In this case you are 100% wrong
>and simply burying yourself by making false claims based on ignorance
>of the facts.
Again you are wrong. It is you who have not got the facts right.
>>"As far as gene deficiency - I would suggest if you think this software
>>"is good - it is you who should "try eating more greens"
>Before you "snipped" my posting I had already pointed out that this
>software has known deficiencies. It often helps to try and present a
>balanced case - try it sometime?
Balance yes. That is why I pointed out it does not do all that the guy
claimed it to do. Try reading before jumping in. It helps.
>Peter Goddard
>Animal House
>
>Everyone's entitled to an opinion......
>(Shame they're all wrong!)
Not everyones wrong - just you.
Peter Goddard
l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
On Tue, 07 Jan 1997 18:19:19 GMT, you wrote:
"
>"Oh and you know that do you? Well why is it he is asking 29.95 then?
>"Shame you didn't get your facts right.
I did, once again you are wrong.
He is actually asking for £24.95 not £29.95, with insured delivery
included in the charges.
>" It is you who have not got the facts right.
Oops! Mate a prat of ourselves again?
>">>"As far as gene deficiency - I would suggest if you think this software
>">>"is good - it is you who should "try eating more greens"
Looking back I appear to have made an ironic typo here. From your
comments to date it would appear that you are suffering from a Jean
deficiency - its very very apparent which orifice your thoughts flow
from.
Have a nice day!
_____________
Homer J. Simpson
In article <32d292ae...@news.ftech.net>, Les Reeves <les@bizzy-
print.co.uk> writes
>
>>>" My main gripe on this subject is that I suspect the guy
>>>"is fishing for an inflated offer.
>>Shame you didn't get the facts first. He isn't.
>
>
>Shame you didn't get your facts right.
Look-whats the problem here-If you are interested then email him, if not
have a Coke and a smile and shu the F*** up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the year 2084 man perfects the ROBOTRONS a robot species so
advanced that man is inferior to his own creation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Les Reeves
>l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
>
>On Tue, 07 Jan 1997 18:19:19 GMT, you wrote:
>
>"
>>"Oh and you know that do you? Well why is it he is asking 29.95 then?
>>"Shame you didn't get your facts right.
>I did, once again you are wrong.
>He is actually asking for £24.95 not £29.95, with insured delivery
>included in the charges.
So he told you 24.95 - A mate of mine was told 29.95 I know who I
believe. since the original poster doesn't rufute my claim - i guess
it isn't you.
>>" It is you who have not got the facts right.
>Oops! Mate a prat of ourselves again?
Ooops speak English - that is if you are able too.
>>">>"As far as gene deficiency - I would suggest if you think this software
>>">>"is good - it is you who should "try eating more greens"
>Looking back I appear to have made an ironic typo here. From your
>comments to date it would appear that you are suffering from a Jean
>deficiency - its very very apparent which orifice your thoughts flow
Yeh yeh. Act your age - or are you?
>Everyone's entitled to an opinion......
>(Shame they're all wrong!)
Speaking of ironic typos - you out to change your sig. Its true in
your case and is clear for all to see.
Sue daNimm
l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
As you seem intent on spamming so many groups why do you not post how
much you are selling this peice of software that retails at 19.95 or
below? Fishing are we? Hoping someone is gonna offer you some silly
price for this crap peice of software?
l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
My main gripe on this subject is that I suspect the guy
is fishing for an inflated offer. I have seen it done here several
times - and this item seems to attract attempts like a magnet. If you
are happy that someone thinks they are getting the software that is
advertised - and offers say 100 quid. Then in my opinion they have
been misled and cheated. As this guy has repeatedly posted this item
and never listed a price - then its not unreasonable that this is the
case!
l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
Well why is it he is asking 29.95 then?
Shame you didn't get your facts right.
e...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
So he told you 24.95 - A mate of mine was told 29.95 I know who I
believe. since the original poster doesn't rufute my claim - i guess
it isn't you. speak English - that is if you are able too.
excuse me didnt you say you were slamming this guy for fishing for a
hundred quid yet you go on that a mate told you it was 29.95
Do you stand in Dixons telling punters not to buy because its
cheaperon the market.
Suzie
John Duff
s...@hack.powernet.co.uk (Simon Gardner) wrote:
>"> Where is it being retailed for 19.95 or less?
>"
>"It isn't.
>"
>"The UK-Info CD-ROM was withdrawn before Christmas and is now PERMANENTLY
>"withdrawn after an out-of-court settlement on a pending legal action
>"between TopWare and BT.
Thanks. That was a really helpful posting.
Interesting that BT have such strong objections to reverse searching.
You can pay them £30 to go ex-directory and protect your privacy, yet
they'll sell anyone a caller display phone which will show an unlisted
caller's number (unless the individual personally take active steps to
protect it.)
Yet where subscribers are perfectly happy to publish their name,
number and street, BT will do their damndest to prevent you accessing
it. Very Odd!
If anyone from BT ever reads this, why on earth don't you GIVE AWAY
telephone directories and Yellow Pages on CD Rom for those who wish to
use them, and save part of the cost of printing and distributing whole
forests of printed paper each year? And if you are concerned about
customers who want privacy, why don't you automatically withhold the
numbers of ex-directory callers?
____________
Goodnight!
John Boy
Les Reeves
> excuse me didnt you say you were slamming this guy for fishing for a
>hundred quid yet you go on that a mate told you it was 29.95
>Do you stand in Dixons telling punters not to buy because its
>cheaperon the market.
>Suzie
I said it had been advertised to be sold in adds for 100 quid. I said
this guy was asking 29.95. Two different statements. Yes it does piss
me off - especially because this software does not do what it says in
the advert. Take a look in loot - only today it was advertised for 70
quid - by someone fishing. Did I call him - No. Why am I making
comments here? Because it annoys me this guy posts this "special
software" each week. I have had several emails thanking me for the
warning. Just goes to show you cant please all the people all of the
time!
Homer J. Simpson
>Yeh righto Homer Simpleton.
Listen-Noones forcing you to buy, and if he dont post shit in the
newsgroup then someone else will. If you hadnt started whining on about
him in the first place then it would have been a real short thread. I
bet your the kind of person theat whines on about swearing and such on
TV. Heres a bit of free advice-If you dont like it dont watch. If you
dont like a news thread stop reading it...Its pretty simple.
--
Homer simpson
Les Reeves
>> Where is it being retailed for 19.95 or less?
>
>It isn't.
>The UK-Info CD-ROM was withdrawn before Christmas and is now PERMANENTLY
>withdrawn after an out-of-court settlement on a pending legal action
>between TopWare and BT.
Interesting to hear you say this. I actually saw it for sale on
Tuesday in Tottenham Court Road - at the 19.95 price. Was aware of the
original injunction - seems strange that they are now backing down -
only to reissue another edition? - Though I'm not doubting what you
say.
>The data is being completely recompiled with 44 million phone numbers this
>time. So this should sort some of the omissions from the first edition. No
>BT directories will have been used to gather the new data - allegedly.
Bet it will still out of date! - and they do still use cheap asian
labour to SCAN in BT directories (as they admitted for this one!!)
>The two new CD-ROMs will consist firstly of an 'improved' <pounds>20 one
>available to the general public as before - much enlarged BUT WITH NO
>REVERSE LOOKUP. And I believe no by-street compliation facility either. :-(
At least with this facility removed it will make it less likely that
it will attract the get rich quick brigade. It doesn't sound so
magical! But if it is accurate it would be well worth the 20 quid - if
that turns out to be the price. Though I did buy it for the reverse
look up - I can see it is not necesarily a good thing. If you have to
give someone your phone number - you can hardly add 141 in front of it
to dissable your address from this disc!
>I also warn that the existing CD-ROM is somewhat patchy and faulty and
>insufficient in its coverage.
Too true! It's quite annoying that 95% of the times i've used back
search it tells me the "number does not exist on this database".
Patchy is too kind!!
Regards
les
Les Reeves
>As a
>consequence it has forced BT to be more realistic in the pricing of
>its own database, although this is still ludicrously overpriced and
>disfunctional.
Without going into debate on the above comment. At least it DOES work
and is accurate when published. Also BTdid do all the work in the
compilation - they did not rip of someone else's work then get out of
date directories scanned in - missing several out as well.
More than I can say on the topware - especially when being sold for
more than its retail price.
>
>I for one am quite happy to "risk" around £20 for something that will
>prove useful on a number of occasions.
>Incidently, I haven't changed my 'phone for around thirteen years now
>and I'm sure I'm not unique.
Strange that you should want to look up your own number. Would have
thought you would have remembered it after 13 years.
Still it takes all sorts. Since from your comments, you clearly have
not bought this software - strange that you seem to know so much about
it. Tell you what. email me your number and I'll let you know if its
there or not.
BTW how is your sportster modem? Figured out how to use it properly
yet?
>Peter Goddard
>Animal House
Get back in the kennel Peter.
>Everyone's entitled to an opinion......
>(Shame I'm always wrong!)
Too true
PS this is a public forum. I am quite capable of reading it here. I do
not need to download an email also. (But I guess thats a bit difficult
for you to comprehend?)
Martin Fiddler
Helpfully I hope, Les, I've spotted that you have' CC By Mai' l set
up; I'm replying to the usenet article, but you'll get an auto email
too.
>
>PS this is a public forum. I am quite capable of reading it here. I do
>not need to download an email also. (But I guess thats a bit difficult
>for you to comprehend?)
>
>Les Reeves Oooh he's making it
>http://www.ftech.net/~bizzy/ up as he goes along.
>l...@bizzy-print.co.uk
--
Martin
m.fi...@staffs.ac.uk
Phone:- mobile: 0976 382655 office: 01785 353334
http://www.staffs.ac.uk/sands/engs/staff/mf/mfiddler.htm
Caspa
In article <32d710c1...@news.nildram.co.uk>, Sue daNimm
<Chu...@nerdbase.com> writes
>l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
>As you seem intent on spamming so many groups why do you not post how
>much you are selling this peice of software that retails at 19.95 or
>below? Fishing are we? Hoping someone is gonna offer you some silly
>price for this crap peice of software?
>
>l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
>My main gripe on this subject is that I suspect the guy
>is fishing for an inflated offer. I have seen it done here several
>times - and this item seems to attract attempts like a magnet. If you
>are happy that someone thinks they are getting the software that is
>advertised - and offers say 100 quid. Then in my opinion they have
>been misled and cheated. As this guy has repeatedly posted this item
>and never listed a price - then its not unreasonable that this is the
>case!
>
>l...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
>Well why is it he is asking 29.95 then?
>Shame you didn't get your facts right.
>
>e...@bizzy-print.co.uk (Les Reeves) wrote:
>So he told you 24.95 - A mate of mine was told 29.95 I know who I
>believe. since the original poster doesn't rufute my claim - i guess
>it isn't you. speak English - that is if you are able too.
>
>hundred quid yet you go on that a mate told you it was 29.95
>Do you stand in Dixons telling punters not to buy because its
>cheaperon the market.
>Suzie
fedup the first thing I do is go in Dixons it always guarantees putting
a smile on my face seeing those prices!
Got to get your laughs from somewhere
regards Paul
Per Mare Per Terram
Caspa
Peter Goddard
s...@hack.powernet.co.uk (Simon Gardner) wrote:
>"In article <852586...@noelsys.demon.co.uk>,
>"ern...@noelsys.demon.co.uk (Ernest) wrote:
>"
>"> Where is it being retailed for 19.95 or less?
>"
>"It isn't.
>"
>"The UK-Info CD-ROM was withdrawn before Christmas and is now PERMANENTLY
>"withdrawn after an out-of-court settlement on a pending legal action
>"between TopWare and BT.
>"
>"Personally I have a spare original TopWare CD-ROM which I can't use (No Pee
>"Cee or Windoze box on the premises), but I am still hoping to get a Mac
>"front end written for it so its NOT for sale. :-)
>"
>"I also warn that the existing CD-ROM is somewhat patchy and faulty and
>"insufficient in its coverage. It happens to be quite good in my area, but
>"that's just luck.
>"
A quick update.
I odered one of the CDs when this item was posted, and it arrived
yesterday by recorded delivery. (Mailed back to me before my cheque
was presented = implied trust. Well done!)
The cost was £24.95 icluding delivery.
The CD is the original (flawed) German offering in full shrinkwrap.
I have tested it in two ways: firstly, I have a caller display unit
attached to my telephone which records the last fifty numbers
dialling in to my number. 37 of these were different (the rest were
repeat calls) and a reverse search using the CD gave me the name and
address of 29 of these. 8 were returned as unknown, which is a 76%
success rate.
secondly I searched for all my family, friends etc and found them all
barring one. (have a cheap shot, Les, and point out that it must have
been a short search.)
You can make your own mind up. Obviously I am lucky in that I don't
get many calls from "patchy areas". Personally I am pleased with my
purchase and am happy to accept that level of accuracy.
Les Reeves
>A quick update.
>I odered one of the CDs when this item was posted, and it arrived
>yesterday by recorded delivery. (Mailed back to me before my cheque
>was presented = implied trust. Well done!)
>The cost was £24.95 icluding delivery.
I didn't imply he wouldnt send it.- Just that it retails at 19.95.
I'll have to get on to the PO if they are now charginging 5 quid for
something I would have thought would cost 1.09 for recorded delivery.
Still - if you had of known the retail price and still chose to pay
say 50 quid - that would have been your perogative.
>The CD is the original (flawed) German offering in full shrinkwrap.
>I have tested it in two ways: firstly, I have a caller display unit
>attached to my telephone which records the last fifty numbers
>dialling in to my number. 37 of these were different (the rest were
>repeat calls) and a reverse search using the CD gave me the name and
>address of 29 of these. 8 were returned as unknown, which is a 76%
>success rate.
Quite possible. But it is a fact that there are massive sections and
areas missed out. How else can the number of entries increase from
15.7million in the current to 44million (claimed) in the new. All I
can say is they must be an awful lot of people connecting up since
July when your copy was made. Of those that were listed - I bet none
all of them have been there less than 2 years? when you think about it
- it is usually people who have moved that you need to get the number
for?
>secondly I searched for all my family, friends etc and found them all
>barring one. (have a cheap shot, Les, and point out that it must have
>been a short search.)
As if I would. I have never implied you didn't have a father! ( Sorry
uncalled for but couldn't resist!)
>You can make your own mind up. Obviously I am lucky in that I don't
>get many calls from "patchy areas". Personally I am pleased with my
>purchase and am happy to accept that level of accuracy.
I'm happy that you are happy. Just as those who didn't buy and have
told me so are. As I have said I do own the disc and was pleased to
buy it. Until I started using it. It does occasionally get put in the
drive - but rarely as most numbers return "not found"
Personally I use the BT version. Just slightly more reliable! (And
cheaper from the right sources !! ) No it doesn't have reverse or
street look up either - just lists correct numbers.
============================================================
Les Reeves Oooh he's making it
http://www.ftech.net/~bizzy/ up as he goes along.
l...@bizzy-print.co.uk
============================================================
Chris Wood
In article <j80BjPA1$L1y...@snpp.demon.co.uk>, "Homer J. Simpson"
<ho...@snpp.demon.co.uk> writes
I like Homer hve seen the afore mentioned CD, and for 20-30 quid it
doesnt seem hat bad. So what are you all bleeting on about. Its not as
if the blokes holding your wife and 2 kids up for ransom if you dont buy
it! In fact, he's probably had more enquiries about it, than ever since
all this frakas started. Maybe he started it himself, just to drum up
some publicity, if he did, well it worked!
--
Chris Wood
pe...@gparkin.demon.co.uk
FS: UK-INFO Address and telephone Information for the UK
**LAST REMAINING SUPPLIES IN UK - BUY NOW!**
The key features of >>UK-Info<<
* More than 15.7 million listings of current phonebooks including
addresses
Geoffrey M Goode
In article <AEFA77439...@ttym0b.powernet.co.uk>, Simon Gardner
<s...@hack.powernet.co.uk> writes
>In article <852586...@noelsys.demon.co.uk>,
>ern...@noelsys.demon.co.uk (Ernest) wrote:
>
>> Where is it being retailed for 19.95 or less?
>
>It isn't.
>
>The UK-Info CD-ROM was withdrawn before Christmas and is now PERMANENTLY
>withdrawn after an out-of-court settlement on a pending legal action
>German - from the second page of my "Fed up with junk phone calls page
><http://users.powernet.co.uk/hack/junk/>. Here's what I wrote elsewhere
>[uk.telecom] at the time:-
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Developments on the TopWare situation seem to be getting a bit cloudy and
>confused in view of the now abandoned court case.
>
>TopWare has just won yet another court case against the German telephone
>company Deutsche Telekom(?) but nevertheless has now settled out of court
>with BT - despite sounding brave at first. Only copyright infringement
>allegations were made in BT's writ and not (as I understand it) any
>suggestion of Data Protection Act infringements (see my posts passim).
>
>The original CD-ROM [of which I bought two] is defintely now withdrawn amid
>allegations from BT's lawyers. Those copyright infringement allegations
>were NEVER tested in court and are still denied by TopWare. But BT had
>loads of money with which to fight/bully TopWare and apparently is VERY
>unhappy about the commercial competition to BT's own very pricey CD-ROMs.
>
>Two new TopWare CDRoms are now being planned for release early February
>1997. Specs are very tentative so take some of this with a pinch of salt.
>
>The data is being completely recompiled with 44 million phone numbers this
>time. So this should sort some of the omissions from the first edition. No
>BT directories will have been used to gather the new data - allegedly.
>
>available to the general public as before - much enlarged BUT WITH NO
>REVERSE LOOKUP. And I believe no by-street compliation facility either. :-(
>
>facilities to the old one - but will have a restricted sale to "bona fide
>businesses" only - and apparently WILL have the reverse lookup and the
>by-street compilation facility but will be priced around <pounds>150. :-(
>
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>
>Personally I have a spare original TopWare CD-ROM which I can't use (No Pee
>Cee or Windoze box on the premises), but I am still hoping to get a Mac
>front end written for it so its NOT for sale. :-)
>
>I also warn that the existing CD-ROM is somewhat patchy and faulty and
>insufficient in its coverage. It happens to be quite good in my area, but
>that's just luck.
>
>
>
telehone (or even telephone) numbers belonged to them, and then however
the data was collected it infringed their copyright etc. I find this
hard to believe these days with so many other companies supplying
telecom services.
Another thing is that with Oftel now involved with the decisions on area
codes, etc., then it could be argued, IMHO, that BT has only been
licensed to use the series of numbers. It is possible to have a number
that is dedicated to a user no matter where they live, and no matter who
supplies their tel. services. The technology is there, but needs
developing and implementing. The Government want BT to pay for all of
this, but they refused as the cost was going to be colossal. They
wanted the Government to finance it, and the other Telecoms to also
share the costs. The last I heard was that there were discussions going
on whereby BT paid 60% and the rest was picked up by others.
Back to the original point. In the light of this who does own the
telephone numbers and list of subscribers. If you have, or the
Government, have a database of names, addresses, and telephone numbers,
can BT come along and still say that they own those numbers, and
therefore you are infringing their copyright. Of course the most
significant point maybe to do with the sale of that data, and as BT
already sells this information, as does Reed Publishing and I believe
Compuserve does as well, they will not want any one stealing their
market ; even if it is given away. Maybe the answer is to sell by
satellite, WWW from outside the UK and its territories.
--
Geoff Goode
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Cheers