Panzer Color

[Jamie Swearengin]

Whatdo you guys prefer to use when painting a piece German Grey but with Tamiya XF colours? I see they have a few greys to choose from. Which works best when all the washing and weathering is complete?

MucMudTech - I'd like to try MM acrylics. My LHS only stocks Humbrol and Tamiya paints with some Games Workshop stuff too. What is the MM number you would recommend for the same job. I've got a DML 1/35 Tiger on order and perhaps I'll try ordering MM stuff to do that piece with. It would be nice to compare it against Tamiya acrylics. Hopefully it would brush paint a little better if nothing else!

Yup, XF-63 (German Grey) is what you want. When your decals are on lay down some grey-blue filters with the Windsor and Newtons and you should add some nice color to it. For your pin wash you will probably have to go with black (one of the rare times when you should use it). A grey pin wash (especially Payne's Grey if your using W&N oils) is too light and blends without popping the detail.

Tamiya is great for airbrushing, spraying very easily and consistently and with a dead flat finish (matte colors). Its not the best for brush painting however. Their XF-63 Panzer Gray is favored by many modellers, but not by me. The color seems a little dull and lifeless, but maybe I just need to try it again!

Vallejo Model Air yields a slightly smoother finish than Tamiya with a slight semi-gloss finish for its matte colors, but I've had problems with faster tip drying therefore its a little harder to use. For brush painting I use their Model Colors which are great for brush painting. I like their Model Air #71052 German Gray which is a lighter gray than Tamiya's XF-63, but with proper filters and washes looks very good!

MM Acryl is a funny beast! I really like the #4795 Panzer Schwargrau color. Its a litte darker than XF-63, but seems to have a little more depth to the color. However I absolutely hated the way it sprays! No matter how I thinned it, what type thinner I used, or which airbrush I had terrible tip dry! Yet when all my swearing was over, the paint yielded a very nice, smooth (for acrylic) finish with a rich cool gray color! I haven't used it for brush painting but I suspect it will paint nicely with brush.

My LHS is ADAMANT (sic?) that rattlecan acrylic paints are banned in the UK because of some rubbish law. I've looked into it and it seems that it's only Tamiya rattlecan sprays that are banned in the UK because they refuse to put a particular piece of smallprint? Perhaps someone can clarify this for me?

As a newbie who is still very much finding his feet I feel that the hefty 's outlay of a compressor & decent AB is a bit too soon. I started building about 6 months ago and if I'm still building in 6 months time (I will be VERY surprised if I'm not) then I will definately get one. In the meantime I'm happy to use my brushes and single action Humbrol AB with propellant cans. I'm getting good at masking off to make cammo effects and it does lay down a super basecoat for a cheapo AB too!

If I could get some other make of rattlecan acrylics ie MM (which DML recommend in their colour charts) I'd be very happy as my next three builds are more than likely going to be DML anyway and these propellant cans are a bit pricey-more expensive than a rattlecan of paint!

The only rattlecans my LHS keep are Humbrol enamels-not great as I'm limited on washes and will need to put on Klear/Future or the like and, personally, I'm not keen on using Klear again after nearly destroying my Brummbar! My fault no doubt but this stuff is made for floors, not scale models (again this is all imo so no flaming please)

Don't limit yourself to Hobby brands... Lots of paints that are in the arts & crafts stores are really close to the colors you're looking for... You just gotta do some comparisons to color chips when you're there, and get past the goofy "Chick-names" of the colors.. Another thing, they're usually a third of the price of Hobby-Brands..

According to the Squadron/Signal Panzer Colors 1 book that I have it all depends on the type of vehicle. Closed top vehicles ( tanks, assault guns, etc) were painted with a light tan buff color. Open top vehicles ( artillery, personnel carriers, etc) were painted in the base exterior color. Hope this helps

The lower interior hull color is not Panzer Grey, but Grey-Green, RAL 7033, which can look a little more blue than green, depending on the lighting and other characteristics of the image, such as this look at the Littlefield Panther A;

Finalmente, el set tambin incluye dos versiones diferentes de Olivegrn, lo que permite al modelista representar las diferentes condiciones de pintura y efectos de degradacin para este importante color.

Recently created vulpaphylas and possibly predasites (I haven't tested them) are created with entirely black coloring, including the unchangeable energy channel. When you revivify a vulpaphyla, it shows all colors being completely black. Older Vulpaphylas do not have this issue, and have correct energy colors. Below, I show the difference between the spores of two Panzer Vulpaphylas: one with the normal orange energy color, which was revivified a few updates ago, and one with the black energy color, which was created yesterday. I can confirm that all three vulpaphyla subspecies have this bug, but I have not tested predasites. The random appearance button and age regression do not fix the issue, nor does guilding. The black energy makes several abilities useless because it appears to use true black (like the one in the Smoke color palette) so some abilities are completely invisible, such as the "sense danger" mod and the tek set bonus zone. The second image is the colors the vulpaphyla came with when I revivified it with Son. Note the black emissive channel, despite the UI saying it is set to default. The rest of the channels in the UI show black, as is represented on the vulpaphyla itself. This bug is slightly game breaking because it renders several abilities useless.

I'm running into this bug too. A far as I can tell, the pure black from the smoke pallet is what its defaulting to.

The real problem is that this bug affects energy color, which can't be changed or even reset by a player. Abilities of effected pets are near-invisible, and the same is true for sigils with energy effects.

Pictured: Affected vulp I tried to fix, the color pallet the energy color is potentially from, and two emblems (Invati Sekhara, Tethras Doom Quantum Emblem) demonstrating the near-invisible energy effects.

Edit: Minor update - Applying a look fixes the energy color. Any look works, even the bugged all-black one.

Its still very buggy though. Looks can only be applied to a random assortment of pets, and colors are often scrambled upon application.

The color is not Harkonar Orange, Cargo Yellow or Mesa Yellow. Is it available outside of the Panzer's default emissive color? If so what is the color name? I have provided screen shots for easy reference.

have you tried; Conculyst Brown, Loka Brown, Inaros Brown instead? Some like the color beside Singularity Black, look wrong but fit when used. Also, if you get the exact color it will have the Transparency icon you see there as it's a default color for that particular Vulpaphyla

Valkyr Brown gives a similar look to your but slightly darker, Rhino Brown looks close. Orokin Gold, Corrupted Gold both might match too- just testing on my Deathwing-themed Smeeta Kavat as she's in Moonless skin. Hopefully you'll figure it out from there.

I have a Takom V2 with the tractor, and I want to build it with the blue grey tint. I am used to working with MRP, so I bought their RAL7021, but that seems to be super dark when I gave it a test on my paint mule, with no hint of blue like you see with for example Tamiya German Grey.

Currently I use a dark grey as a base, Tamiya Nato black/rubber black. Tamiya German grey and then a lighter grey for increasing the highlights. Tamiya German grey is a tad too blue but that will get tweaked with washes etc.

The paint itself is dark as it was intended that way in order to conceal vehicles/equipment when parked in the shade. I don't have a hobby paint brand to suggest, but yes, modellers do tend to lighten whatever they have at hand. It's one of the few base colours out there that many alter before applying to the subject's surface. Some may realize they are making adjustments due to dust and outdoor lighting. This is standard with any painted model, colours will look different indoors compared to outdoors.

7016 seems closer to what I had in my head! In the end I'm no real stickler for the exact color match, sometimes we spend hours researching our exact color, after which we start applying filters, washes, shading and weathering ?

XF63 has a composition of (more or less) 1.5x Carbon Black, 1x Titanium White with a tiny bit of Phthalo Blue (source: Tamiya SDS'ses that have percentage of pigments and pigment types). Phthalos are insanely strong pigments, so the result is too light and way too blue for me to be compared to 7021.

The power of numbers is they are irrefutable and international, names alas are not.

no 9 is a match to RAL7021.

I guess they named it anthracite because that 9 is what they have closest to such a label in their view. They do not have 7016.

Colours are perhaps the most frequent and most troublesome (and quarrelsome!) subject of debate on this forum. There are several running at the moment. I like the science that a couple of members are bringing to the party, although I don't pretend to understand much of it. But if it helps us get to a better understanding of whose products best match what we're looking for then that's fine by me. I suspect that's what many of us are craving: an indication of which colours from which brands are the most appropriate matches for the real colours, regardless of what the manufacturers claim or call them.

Names are troublesome and don't always help much, or give much indication of contents. The Revell Anthracite vs RAL point above. Not helped by the fact that some RAL colour names have been changed since WW2 to better describe the colours The WW2 7021 Dunkelgrau is today called Schwarzgrau, which implies a very dark colour. But it would be useful if paint companies using RAL names matched the contents, and if those with RAL matches used the correct period names. How much would that simplify our lives?

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