Hi,
I had one of those cards.
It looks like the System 80 may have had some rudimentary memory management, and could use the either of the upper 16KB banks regardless of where it was.
Or you may have one or more faulty chips in the upper bank chips (if you have been carf
Or someone has been messing the jumpers (X2, X3) on the board near z30 and 31.
X2 is used to select where in the 16KB blocks each 16KB bank should appear (default connections select the upper two banks (pins 11 and 12 of Z30)
X3 affects the CAS strobe on the banks – default is all jumpers in place, but if 4Kb DRAM chips had been used, or to provide a 4KB memory hole within the expansion memory, the jumpers could be used to allow that as the X3 jumpers affect the 4KB blocks within the banks that are decoded for each of the 16KB banks.
Here’s an image of the X-4016 I had before I sold it with the X4010 I had.
OTOH, we had issues with some of the memory not refreshing correctly or the card (last 256 or 128 bytes not being refreshed). Despite (very expensive) replacement 4116’s and sending to DSE for service, never resolved that so just told NEWDOS/80 to ignore the last 256 bytes of memory to stop the whole disk copies from failing…
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Hi,
I had one of those cards.
It looks like the System 80 may have had some rudimentary memory management, and could use the either of the upper 16KB banks regardless of where it was.
Or you may have one or more faulty chips in the upper bank chips (if you have been carf
Or someone has been messing the jumpers (X2, X3) on the board near z30 and 31.
X2 is used to select where in the 16KB blocks each 16KB bank should appear (default connections select the upper two banks (pins 11 and 12 of Z30)
X3 affects the CAS strobe on the banks – default is all jumpers in place, but if 4Kb DRAM chips had been used, or to provide a 4KB memory hole within the expansion memory, the jumpers could be used to allow that as the X3 jumpers affect the 4KB blocks within the banks that are decoded for each of the 16KB banks.
Here’s an image of the X-4016 I had before I sold it with the X4010 I had.
OTOH, we had issues with some of the memory not refreshing correctly or the card (last 256 or 128 bytes not being refreshed). Despite (very expensive) replacement 4116’s and sending to DSE for service, never resolved that so just told NEWDOS/80 to ignore the last 256 bytes of memory to stop the whole disk copies from failing…
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Evening all,
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Hi
I would try PEEK'ing and POKE'ing, in rom basic, to establish if there is any memory. The ROM initiation scan will skip any failing area.
You need to specify address as a signed integer so -1=0xffff and -32768=0x8000 for PEEK and POKE. If it thinks it has 32K RAM -16384=0xC000
If you run a DOS I think there are setting for limiting used memory, it might be set up to not use all the RAM.
Short basic program to peek high ram repetitively may be easy to detect with oscilloscope to see selects are correct...
Knut :-)
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Hi Terry,
Hope you’re well?
The X4010 expander, and also the X4016 memory board are detailed in the
“Blue” System 80 Technical Manual Issue #3 on your website.
Starts at Page 113.
Cheers,
Leslie
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I'm, fine thanks.
>The X4010 expander, and also the X4016 memory board are detailed in the
>“Blue” System 80 Technical Manual Issue #3 on your website.
>Starts at Page 113.
Hi Terry,
Hope you’re well?
The X4010 expander, and also the X4016 memory board are detailed in the
“Blue” System 80 Technical Manual Issue #3 on your website.
Starts at Page 113.
Cheers,
Leslie
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Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2018 1:03 PM
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Subject: Re: X-4010 memory prob
Incidentally, while on this topic...
If anyone has a scan of the manual (if there was one?) for the original expansion box (X-4010), I'd love to have it to add to the System 80 archive site. I have the manual for the later model (X-4020) and the circuit diagrams for X-4010 (as part of the System 80 technical manual) but no specific manual for the first version of the expansion interface. I assume there was one?
Terry
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