E-prime help
samra
get my study set up. I want to get pictures loaded up but cant seem
to, i have done eveything, i put [stimulus] into the input for
properties in picture target but it still doesnt work, it jeeps saying
i need to put the images into the same folder as e-prime, i have done
this but it still says it. Could you tell me what folder the images
have to go into, and how to get the epictures to upload.
Thanks, i would appreciate an answer ASAP
Samra
liwenna
filenames of your pictures in that attribute?
Abida
called CorrectAnswer. Me and Samra are working together.
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liwenna
completely i.e with .bmp or .jpg or whatever format they have?
samra
are in the same folder.
liwenna
and where exactly did you put [stimulus] ? It should be the value of
'filename' on the propertiestab of the imageobject that is either a
'standalone imageobject' or an imageobject within a slide.
samra
in properties, but becasue we were using a set of images we put
stimulus. The files are all bmp.
liwenna
Could you e-mail me a screenshot?
liwenna
On a task that worked last friday :/ E-prime doesn't tell me to put
the pictures in a certain folder (never seen such a message I think?)
but they don't load either. Also .bmp's yet other tasks with .bmp
stimuli do work.
liwenna
IMAC does when creating or saving .bmp files... but it's a long shot.
The thing is that my e-studio file worked on friday and didn't today
while I doubled the size of the pictures on my home imac during the
weekend. Samra and Abida? Where your pictures created or modified on
an imac?
After opening all the pictures in an image manipulation program in
windows (I used GIMP, a kind of photoshop, other programs might work
too) and save them again
using the 'save as' function e-prime opens the pictures again just
fine (and there might be easier solutions to do this, this was the
first thing I tried after thinking it might be a mac-related problem.
I really don't have time to figure all the ins and outs out today).
Many of my other tasks use .jpg files modified on my imac and those
work just fine.
Samra and Abida, I hopes something like above might help you out too
and I'd like to hear so from you.
Best,
liw
David Vinson
Just wanted to say that we have recently experienced problems exactly as
liwenna described, with bitmap image files created on a mac of some
type. They were also created with 24-bit color, not sure whether this
is related.
We also solved the problem by running the files through gimp, I think we
converted them to 16-bit color but this may have been a red herring (or
a 24-bit shade of red).
-d
On 23/11/2009 15:09, liwenna wrote:
> Ok.... my best guess is that has something to do with something an
> IMAC does when creating or saving .bmp files... but it's a long shot.
> The thing is that my e-studio file worked on friday and didn't today
> while I doubled the size of the pictures on my home imac during the
> weekend. Samra and Abida? Where your pictures created or modified on
> an imac?
>
> using the 'save as' function e-prime opens the pictures again just
> fine (and there might be easier solutions to do this, this was the
> first thing I tried after thinking it might be a mac-related problem.
> I really don't have time to figure all the ins and outs out today).
>
> and I'd like to hear so from you.
>
> Best,
>
> liw
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liwenna
I'll let PST know about this, although I don't think they'll be able
to do something about it as it seems mac related. I'll wait to hear
from Samra and Abida to include their case in the report to PST (if
their problem is also mac-related that is).
Thanks again.
liw
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David McFarlane
case... Recently a colleague sent me a .jpg (packaged in a .zip)
attached to an e-mail to use for an E-Prime project. I could see the
image in the body of the e-mail message, but there was no attached
file. I e-mailed back to ask for the file again, and he said that
not only did he send the file the first time, but it was attached to
my reply to him! Hmm... So I went right out to the mail server (I
do not believe in "cloud computing" so I typically download and
manage all my e-mail on a local client) and, lo and behold, there the
message said it had an attachment, but oddly it could not reveal the
name of the attached file. Nevertheless, I then successfully
downloaded the file to my PC.
Yep, you guessed it, that file had gone through a Mac. But once
downloaded to my PC it worked fine.
So what could be going on? My best wild guess -- Unix-like systems,
including now Max OS X, allow almost any character to go in a file
name, including nonprinting characters like <ctrl>g (which on an old
teletype would ring a bell -- yes, I really do go back that
far!). So for all we know those files just contained some weird
invisible character that Windows could not handle.
So here's an experiment to try next time -- instead of running the
.jpg through GIMP and resaving it, just open the file name and type
it in again, and see what happens.
-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
samra
as of yet, but i will tomorrow, i will try your suggestions and send
you some screenshots. I dont think it could be because of Mac, as the
computer I am using is Windows, but nevertheless i will try what you
recommended.
Thanks again
Samra
samra anjum
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:09:43 -0800
> Subject: Re: E-prime help
> From: liw...@gmail.com
> To: e-p...@googlegroups.com
>
> Ok.... my best guess is that has something to do with something an
> IMAC does when creating or saving .bmp files... but it's a long shot.
> The thing is that my e-studio file worked on friday and didn't today
> while I doubled the size of the pictures on my home imac during the
> weekend. Samra and Abida? Where your pictures created or modified on
> an imac?
>
> After opening all the pictures in an image manipulation program (GIMP,
> kind of photoshop, other programs might work too) and save them again
> using the 'save as' function e-prime opens the pictures again just
> fine (and there might be easier solutions to do this, this was the
> first thing I tried after thinking it might be a mac-related problem.
> I really don't have time to figure all the ins and outs out today).
>
> Samra and Abida, I hopes something like above might help you out too
> and I'd like to hear so from you.
>
> Best,
>
> liw
>
> On Nov 23, 3:34 pm, liwenna <liwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Michiel Spape
“WHY SO SERIOUS?” – I was wondering whether you were asking her that, or yourself…
Anyway, it seems to me you should rename your pictures to have easy names, preferably without spaces or such, and don’t use slashes in their references. Then save the experiment in an easy folder: say, c:\dissertation, and copy your pictures there too, then try again. Sometimes it helps - I have had some problems when running e-prime files straight from my inbox, for instance.
Oh, and if you’re making screenshots, you might as well zip the experiment and send that.
Best,
Mich
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Perception & Action group
University of Nottingham
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David McFarlane
Your screenshot explains everything. You were
not telling us that your image file name did not
have an extension. I just duplicated your error
myself. First I took the "bluecar.bmp" image
from the PST PictureRT example, and used it
successfully in an ImageDisplay object. Then I
removed the ".bmp" from both the file name and
the entry in my ImageDisplay object. Now the
image still showed just fine in E-Studio, which
might make you think that all is well. But when
I ran the program I got a simlar "unable to load image file" error.
So here is the rule: In EP1, every image file
*must* end with ".bmp" (and of course must be a
bitmap). EP2, of course, also allows .jpg, etc.,
and I have not explored what happens if you leave off the extension there.
And then there is...
At 11/24/2009 09:16 AM Tuesday, Michiel wrote:
>I have had some problems when running e-prime
>files straight from my inbox, for instance.
>
>Oh, and if you’re making screenshots, you might
>as well zip the experiment and send that.
programs in a .zip file. The recipient will
contact me because when they try to run the
program it does not work. Of course, they tried
to run it right from the .zip file (modern
Windows Explorer makes .zip files open just like
any other folder), instead of properly unzipping it to another folder first.
-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
precedence over public relations, for nature
cannot be fooled." (Richard Feynman, Nobel prize-winning physicist)
Abida
We tried saving the experiment in an easier file to upload later using
e-prime, but this didn't work. No error message appeared, however the
picture didn't show either. We are going to email you the zipped files
of our experiments. If you complete abit of the data, and tell us hiw
to do the rest, that would be great.
David: sorry we didn't realise we needed an extension for each image
file. If this is the case, could please tell me how we set that up?
Thank you so much for your help guys!
> >Sent: 24 November 2009 13:33
> >To: e-p...@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: RE: E-prime help
>
> >here are the screenshots, i have attached them
> >in the text documnet, if you could reply ASAP as
> >we are running very late with our dissertation.
> >WHY SO SERIOUS?.....
>
> > > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:09:43 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: E-prime help
Abida
> >Sent: 24 November 2009 13:33
> >To: e-p...@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: RE: E-prime help
>
> >here are the screenshots, i have attached them
> >in the text documnet, if you could reply ASAP as
> >we are running very late with our dissertation.
> >WHY SO SERIOUS?.....
>
> > > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:09:43 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: E-prime help
samra anjum
I have attached the experiments which have been placed into a zip folder. I have included Abida's in a separate to avoid any confusion.
If you can make any changes to get it working, it would be appreciated.
Thanks!
PS: "Why So Serious" is my signature on my emails...nothing personal to anyone. Reference to Dark Knight movie.
Samra.
David McFarlane
>David: sorry we didn't realise we needed an extension for each image
>file. If this is the case, could please tell me how we set that up?
do not know how to edit file names then you have bigger problems to
deal with. Please consult your local IT staff.
OTOH, the examples in your .zip do have .bmp in the file names, so
you are probably OK there. In that case, I would advise another
course of action. First go to Appendix C of the User's Guide that
came with E-Prime, and run the PictureRT sample that installed with
E-Prime. If even that does not work for you then all bets are
off. But if that works, then start with a copy of PictureRT.es and
make changes step by step from there. Just a very general
programming strategy -- always better to start from success than to
start from failure.
Abida
If extension meant editing the file name, then I have no problem with
that. I took your advice and played around with e-prime using
PictureRT sample and understand where you are coming from. I have
managed to upload the BlueCar image and when i run the experiment it
works perfectly. When I add RedCar on to the TrialList, and enter the
allowable key, the experiment incurs an error message, "correct
response is not part of allowable".
I have also tried with process using just one word from the list (as
an image), i.e. bird. I'm pleased to say that this worked like the
BlueCar image. However, the only problem I have now is, how do I
present a list of words one at a time, rather than just one word?
Thanks,
Abida
David McFarlane
>the only problem I have now is, how do I present a list of words one
>at a time, rather than just one word?
point I must leave you with some very general advice:
1) Work through Tutorial 1 in the Getting Started Guide (GSG) that
came with E-Prime.
2) Work through all of the Advanced Tutorials in the GSG (they're
really not advanced, actually rather basic stuff) (skip the PST
Serial Response Box tutorial if you do not use that).
3) Work through all of Chapter 2, "Using E-Studio", in the User's
Guide (UG) that came with E-Prime.
4) Work through all of the sample experiments in Appendix C of the
UG. This is very important, as only here do you learn about Extended
Input (which almost everyone needs at some time).
5) When your experiment gets complex enough to require inline script,
then work through all of Chapter 4, "Using E-Basic", in the UG.
Only then will you be in a position to start thinking about
programming your task. Please do not proceed any further until you
have accomplished all the above.
-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder.
liwenna
mail:
What I would advise you to do: start small and simple! Just first get
the 'general idea' working and then add the rest of your experiment.
So:
Create a new empty estudio file. On the sessionproc create a list
called triallist (1 level will do). In the triallist type trialproc
for procedure and the program will ask you whether you want to create
trailproc. You do. Open trialproc and add a slide. In the slide add an
imageobject and make the imageobject refer to [image]. In the
triallist add an attribute called image. Fill image with the name of
an image that is in the folder that the new estudiofile is in. For
instance same.bmp. Run the e-studio file to see if the image is shown.
If not... download some random image from the internet and try if it
works with that image (just to rule out something to be wrong with the
images you have been trying so far). If you get the image to show, you
have the start of your experiment and now you can expand by adding
more levels to the list, adding the other slides etc etc.
Peter Quain
Re: Abida.es - why have you got an image object in there at all? The preceding text object could display the word 'LAPTOP' in red. Maybe delete the image object and change your Target attribute just to the word (e.g., LAPTOP), then change the display properties of the text object to red, and appropriate font size.
Michiel Spape
Ah! I thought it was sort of interestingly contradictory to the note of desperation I sensed in your email J.
Anyway, as for file extension, just to add to what David said (and yes, I also get that problem A LOT, especially when I have to send experiments to students and such), regarding file names: it may be that it is basic computer skills, but I remember Windows XP and presumably other Microsoft OS’s had the nasty tendency to hide the extensions. Go to file explorer > tools > folder options > view > and make sure you select both ‘Show hidden files and folders’ (just for any problem in the future), and directly underneath, ‘Hide extensions for known file types’ should be deselected. After that, you can safely rename to .bmp, without making the file something like .bmp.jpg !
As for the other problems, I guess they’re all solved or just need, well, basic training? Speaking of which: some people find the E-Prime tutorials a bit too easily clicked through without understanding what they’re really doing. That’s why we came up with this mindboggingly awesome book: http://www.cognitology.eu/pubs/AnE-Primer2009.pdf (it’s a bit big, may take some time to load).
Cheers,
Mich
Michiel Spapé (now referred to as Mr Snape by the city council!)
Research Fellow
Perception & Action group
University of Nottingham
School of Psychology
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Abida
thought we knew what we were doing, but thank u,ur a genius it finally
works all we needed was a slide. Thanks to everyone else aswell you
have all been a great help.
Thank u !!!!!
Samra & Abida
