Wisconsin card sorting test

[maaike b]

Hello,
 
I want to install a Wisconsin Card Sorting Test in E-prime, can someone help me with this? Does someone have this task in E-prime, or know where I can find it?
 
Thanks!

[David McFarlane]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wisconsin+card+sorting+task+e-prime

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder

[ben robinson]

that was awesome!

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[liwenna]

Heh David,

I was considering doing the exact same thing ^.^ Yet... there doesn't
seem to be any WSCT scripts available on the net (anymore?).

So Maaike/Mieke, you're not really helped with that. I think you'll
have to realise that e-prime is a program to build experimetns with,
not just 'install test programs'.

Your university/supervisor ought to have resources to get you started
and then there is additional help available online (in this group
among other places). To get started: get a course or ask someone in
real life (supervisor?) for some basic instructions on e-prime, and/or
get Michiel Spape's 'E-primer' (download at:
http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/lpzmmas/EPrimer2009Alpha.pdf
). Once you got the 'basics' of e-prime the help function in the
program is quite helpful. If you then get stuck on some specific
problem you're more than welcome to post it here.

We are all just 'users of e-prime' that like to help people out when
they're stuck on something in e-prime... we generally do not conjure
fully functional scripts out of thin air ;)

So... start toying around with e-prime and build the basics of your
task. When stuck on something specific, do come back here :)

Best,

liw

>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:35 AM, David McFarlane <mcfar...@msu.edu> wrote:
> >http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wisconsin+card+sorting+task+e-prime
>
> > -- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder
>
> >  I want to install a Wisconsin Card Sorting Test in E-prime, can someone
> >> help me with this? Does someone have this task in E-prime, or know where I
> >> can find it?
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[David McFarlane]

liwenna,

>Heh David,
>
>I was considering doing the exact same thing ^.^ Yet... there doesn't
>seem to be any WSCT scripts available on the net (anymore?).
>
>So Maaike/Mieke, you're not really helped with that.

Indeed, I must apogize for rushing to judgment with my earlier
response. I am familiar with the library of E-Prime programs
provided by STEP, ran a Google search, and saw that STEP came up as
the top hit, so I simply assumed that the link went to the desired
example program. Only later did I notice that the link went to a
.pdf - oh oh! And when I followed that link I found that the .pdf
simply mentioned the WCST as part of the plans for the future of
STEP, and it seems that never happened. (Come to think of it, in the
2001 article in Beh Res Methods, Instr & Computers the authors
envisioned a grand plan for E-Prime, which has not come about). So
my earlier response did not provide the desired help.

As far as I can tell no one has made an E-Prime WCST available on the
Web. It would be quite interesting to make one. As I recall, in
essence the task involves operantly rewarding the subject for
correctly following an undisclosed rule, changing the rule whenever
the subject achieves an overall success criterion, and seeing how
well the subject can adapt to the changing rules. This would require
some interesting code in E-Prime, in particular scoring the success
rate and then changing the "correct" rule on the fly, but it could be
done. Wish I had the liberty to do it myself.

[David McFarlane]

Well, I toyed with the idea of making a simple WCST in E-Prime just
to amuse myself. But when I looked into it further, I got puzzled.

The WCST started off with simple printed materials administered
manually by a human examiner. Clearly the WCST does not require
millisecond precision. So if we simply want to automate it, why use
such an expensive, specialized, and heavyweight platform as
E-Prime? Wouldn't it make more sense to use some more common
platform such as JavaScript, or Flash, or Python, or even straight
Visual Basic? Note that the WCST was automated using simple Turbo
Basic (for DOS?) as far back as 1996. Isn't this another case of,
"When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" Or,
insofar as I have not kept up with the literature on the WCST, am I
just missing something that is obvious to the rest of you?

Also, apparently scoring the test is quite complex (perseverative
errors, nonperseverative errors, etc.), so building that into the
program (as opposed to leaving that to later data analysis) would
take some care.

Finally, did anyone else know that the term "Wisconsin Card Sorting
Test" was trademarked by Wells Printing and Digital Services of
Madison, Wisconsin, USA (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_card_sort )? So we cannot
give the name "Wisconsin Card Sorting Test" to any printed materials
that we produce, but since the trademark does not cover computerized
versions we may continue to use the name "Wisconsin Card Sorting
Test" for our computerized versions.

With all that said, note that someone did make an automated WCST demo
for Inquisit's Millisecond
(http://www.millisecond.com/download/samples/v3/CardSort ), though I
do not know what data it stores or how it handles the test scoring.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder

[liwenna]

That is some good research David!

On Aug 23, 11:24 pm, David McFarlane <mcfar...@msu.edu> wrote:
> Well, I toyed with the idea of making a simple WCST in E-Prime just
> to amuse myself.  But when I looked into it further, I got puzzled.
>
> The WCST started off with simple printed materials administered
> manually by a human examiner.  Clearly the WCST does not require
> millisecond precision.  So if we simply want to automate it, why use
> such an expensive, specialized, and heavyweight platform as
> E-Prime?  Wouldn't it make more sense to use some more common
> platform such as JavaScript, or Flash, or Python, or even straight
> Visual Basic?  Note that the WCST was automated using simple Turbo
> Basic (for DOS?) as far back as 1996.  Isn't this another case of,
> "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail"  Or,
> insofar as I have not kept up with the literature on the WCST, am I
> just missing something that is obvious to the rest of you?
>
> Also, apparently scoring the test is quite complex (perseverative
> errors, nonperseverative errors, etc.), so building that into the
> program (as opposed to leaving that to later data analysis) would
> take some care.
>
> Finally, did anyone else know that the term "Wisconsin Card Sorting
> Test" was trademarked by Wells Printing and Digital Services of

> Madison, Wisconsin, USA (seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_card_sort)?  So we cannot

> give the name "Wisconsin Card Sorting Test" to any printed materials
> that we produce, but since the trademark does not cover computerized
> versions we may continue to use the name "Wisconsin Card Sorting
> Test" for our computerized versions.
>
> With all that said, note that someone did make an automated WCST demo
> for Inquisit's Millisecond

> (http://www.millisecond.com/download/samples/v3/CardSort), though I

[David McFarlane]

For those of you who might not read beyond the first line: I will
write a professional quality WCST in EP for no charge, if I can only
get a bit of help. Read on if interested...

Well, despite the reservations I expressed earlier, on my own time I
went ahead and threw together a working skeleton in EP for the WCST,
just to flex my E-Prime muscles. The basic control logic is really
quite simple, and with a couple of tricks (e.g., nested attribute
references) the E-Prime design is rather sleek.

I would like to complete this project to my usual professional
standards and then submit it for inclusion in the public STEP library
so that everyone can use it. In short, I aim to make this no less
than a completely faithful computerized replica of the standardized
test, in EP. But to do that I will need many more specific details
on the mechanics of the standardized test. E.g., I have been told
that the standardized test presents the "response" cards in the same
pre-ordained sequence for each run, and I need to know that
sequence. Also, if I can get hold of the scoring rules then I might
even have a whack at that, although I think it enough just to have
the program administer the test & record raw data. (It would also be
nice if I could get someone else to do the card graphics, as I am
lousy at graphics -- I would need only 16 image files, not all 64,
since I know how to make EP change the colors.) I should be able to
learn all I need from the official WCST Manual, with perhaps a look
at a printed card deck. But a manual costs $115, and a card deck
$170, more than I care to spend for something that is, for me at
least, only a hobby project.

So here's the deal: If any of you can help me get access to
materials that fully specify the mechanics of the test (ideally the
printed Manual and/or cards) then I will complete this project in
short order and you will all have a professional quality WCST in EP.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder

[David McFarlane]

Oh, forgot to say, if interested then please contact me directly by
e-mail (off the list).

Thanks,
David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder

[David McFarlane]

After casting about far & wide, I found a complete set of WCST
materials right here at my own institution. So I am all set there
now, my thanks to everyone who replied.

Now I need to finish this project and submit it to STEP. I will
probably do this in stages. As stated earlier, programming the basic
control logic for merely administering the test is the easy part, and
I have that worked out already with a mere text-only
keyboard-response model. Adding the graphics and improving the
response methods will take a little more tedious work. I might
submit a first draft once I get that far.

Then the hard work comes when I add computation of all the customary
raw WCST scores. With that accomplished I would consider the project
finished -- I have no hope of going the extra yard to have it convert
raw summary scores into demographically corrected normed scores, for
that users will need to consult the Wisconsion Card Sorting Test
Manual, Revised and Expanded, by Robert K. Heaton et al. (1993),
Psychological Assessment Resources, Inc., Lutz, Florida, USA, or use
WCST scoring software.

-- David McFarlane, Professional Faultfinder

[Pili Fdez]

Hello David,

I'm looking for a computer version of the Modified WCST described by Nelson (1976), or failing that, the original WCST.  Inquisit Lab offers both tests but I need them in e-prime to conect the software with neuroimaging techniques. I was wondering if you finally finished the test and If you could share it with me. I would be very very grateful. I'm beginning my PhD studies.

I hope your answer,

Thank you,

Best wishes.

[David McFarlane]

I posted an update at groups.google.com/d/topic/e-prime/sNYAFSLwUJ4 ,
but that ended up in its own thread instead of getting properly added to
this thread. I will take this opportunity to correct that now:


/---------------------------------------------------------------------
(Posted 4/14/2011)
I have gotten several direct messages about this project, so perhaps I
should post a public update. First, thank you to everyone who has
expressed an interest in this. Sadly, by the time I got the help that I
requested and found the needed materials, my window of opportunity
passed and I had to move on to other matters while leaving this project
undone. I hope to return to it at a later time, but I cannot say when
that would be.

Aside from taking time out to write the code (greatly simplified since
the current canonical version uses a fixed card sequence, unlike the
original research versions), one particular roadblock I face would be
making the stimulus materials. Several folks have kindly found and
pointed out the WCST materials available through
pebl.sourceforge.net/battery.html ; I wish to make clear, however, that
those materials significantly depart from the standard cards and are
entirely unsuited to my project. (I would call their program
"WCST-like", not a true WCST. I aim for something higher in my program.)

For those who want a fully automated WCST and can spend some money,
please note that you may purchase a commercial (and non-E-Prime) version
through Psychological Assessment Resources, Inc. (www4.parinc.com/ ).

Once again, thanks to everyone for your interest, and I will keep this
thread updated whenever I should make progress.
\---------------------------------------------------------------------


Beyond what I posted earlier, I would add that the Inquisit version is
*not* a full WCST, it serves only as a partial demo, so do not use that
for research purposes without first programming it the rest of the way.
Someone on the PsychoPy Group offered a WCST for that platform, see
groups.google.com/d/topic/psychopy-users/Xe0gpIWXgvY (note that that
Group has now been abandoned, see www.psychopy.org/ for latest info).

Note also that the parinc URL has changed to www.parinc.com . If you
want to program your own WCST then you owe it to yourself (and everyone)
to get your hands on the official paper materials & manual, which you
may purchase from PAR for about US$420 (see
www.parinc.com/Products/Pkey/478 ), or do what I did and borrow it from
you local academic psychology clinic.

Best,
-- David McFarlane

>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Wisconsin-5Fcard-5Fsort&d=DwIFaQ&c=nE__W8dFE-shTxStwXtp0A&r=rVCe0bDlnqQHHAg2cizkHg&m=N568DLlWLSiLnB8mYnzVHeBlbSglg_fXPJH-h155imo&s=R6VM_6VvZAj2eWOxL-vRNJHlDI944QzHo8J4l1DfQPs&e= )? So we cannot

>>>>> give the name "Wisconsin Card Sorting Test" to any printed
>>>>> materials that we produce, but since the trademark does not cover
>>>>> computerized versions we may continue to use the name "Wisconsin
>>>>> Card Sorting Test" for our computerized versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> With all that said, note that someone did make an automated WCST
>>>>> demo for Inquisit's Millisecond

>>>>> (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.millisecond.com_download_samples_v3_CardSort&d=DwIFaQ&c=nE__W8dFE-shTxStwXtp0A&r=rVCe0bDlnqQHHAg2cizkHg&m=N568DLlWLSiLnB8mYnzVHeBlbSglg_fXPJH-h155imo&s=uBj38QVEZIp-DgYMbK4jpGvosOBz9_KomSyKxVe8rF8&e= ), though

[David McFarlane]

And of course, you may also look at the Wikipedia article to get some
basic idea of the materials and testing procedure, as well as the legal
encumbrances -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Card_Sorting_Test . But
again, see the commercial set for full modern details and scoring procedure.

-- David McFarlane