Re: [sikh_news_discussion] Re: Sikh Metaphysics [1 Attachment]

[Tarlochan S. Nahal]

S. Rawel Singh Ji,

You are being too nice, but you are wasting your time with RSS inspired Bipar. It is like the Punjabi proverb "Majh agge been vajauni" (playing flute in front of a buffalo). 

A Bipar who worships 33 crore devis and devtas (including donkies, monkies, rats, bats, snakes, et. al, will NEVER understand the concept of formless Akal Purakh Waheguru! He will never understand what "Ajooni Saibhang" (beyond the cycle of life and death and self-existent. 

I have a project for my Bipar friends  - catalog all the devis and devtas and their awatars in animal form before they all go extinct and many of them might have already gone extinct. They should take pictures of them for posterity and make statues of them if they already do not have them and mass produce them. They should worry about the natural habitat of those creatures and do not worry about the Sikhs of Guru Nanak Dev and Guru Gobind Singh or their spiritual pursuits. Sikhs are not perfect, but they are doing fine. Then again, it is none of Bipar's business!

Guru Rakha!

 

Tarlochan Singh

 

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 01:30:48 PM PDT, Rawel Singh brg...@yahoo.co.in [sikh_news_discussion] <sikh_news_disc...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

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The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause||

How can the creator be in the creation that is only an appearance.

How can he permeate all places that are only an appearance.

Will you give some attention to this. <<<

This question can only be answered when the Creator is not perceived as a person or any physical entity, Yes, the Creator is not a physical entity. The Creator is Naam/the Spirit behind the cosmic laws. This is how the Creator is present outside as laws of nature and within everyone as conscience, the keeper/maintainer of the laws for personal conduct.

Needs reflection to understand.

Guru Raakha

Rawel Singh

On Wednesday, 20 May, 2020, 11:56:03 am GMT-4, DevinderSingh Gulati devindersi...@gmail.com [sikh_news_discussion] <sikh_news_disc...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

You are too impatient Hardev Singh ji.

You wrote:

I did listen to Bhai Satpal & 3 types of Vedanta:

I agree with his Explanation but not going to Waste more time in hair splitting exercise.

He introduced a new concept over ruling Monotheism; that looks OK.

HS Virk

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But which type of vedanta is bhaisaheb affirming?

"There is only one reality - the rest is appearance" he is saying.

If what he affirms is according to Gurbani, then how can this Gurbani tuk be explained:

The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause||

How can the creator be in the creation that is only an appearance.

How can he permeate all places that are only an appearance.

Will you give some attention to this.

Looking forward to your reply.

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:55 AM 'devindersingh gulati' via Understanding Sikhism <sikh-i...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hardev Singh ji, yesterday I said:

This info graphic clearly depicts the key feature of Sikh Metaphysics in pictorial form.

It says, Sikhism believes in one reality. That thought is expressed thus:

1. There is only one reality.

2. It is both immanent and transcendent.

Which means, God is the visible existence and God is the invisible spirit..

Bhai Satpal explains it thus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=QEexo9LhSIM

But...

This second figure - panenthiesm - explains three different viewpoints.

It explains all the three sub stratums of thought that are contained in vedanta.

The three can be stated thus:

1. There is only one reality - what we see is apparent reality.

2. There is only one reality. what we observe is real but short lived.

3. There is only one reality. It gives rise to a dependent reality.

It is explained thus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5K05xhVPR0

So which of these three statements does Sikhi express?

It is the third principle of Sikh Metaphysics that provides the key.

Look at the three together:

1. There is only one reality.

2. It is both immanent and transcendent.

3. This one reality is self conscious and possessed of will.

The possession of will - the will to create - points to the reality of creation.

More next.

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While Gurbani says maya is a reality, Bhai Satpal is saying something else.

He is saying there is only one reality that is transcendent and what we see is delusion.

Listen to the video. He says maya is attachment... it is a psychological process within you.

If you let go of the attachment, there remains only the one reality... there is no you he says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLm96mC9TQw

So Hardev Singh ji, what is this identity called "you" in Gubani?

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[Harmander Singh]

Dear Tarlochan Singh,

Further to my one and only earlier missive, now you are being too nice.

In legal context, this continuous and unwanted dialogue with the Sikhs would be considered harassment.

In more industrial language, these people would be labelled as THRUSH (this is an irritating condition particular to women in their nether region) even if one accepts that they may feel it is their genuine duty and mission in life to convert others 

If the moderators allow, I can give a two word definition here or in private if anyone is curious.

Harmander Singh

On Wednesday, 20 May 2020, 23:26:55 BST, 'Tarlochan S. Nahal' tnah...@yahoo.com [sikh_news_discussion] <sikh_news_disc...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

S. Rawel Singh Ji,

You are being too nice, but you are wasting your time with RSS inspired Bipar. It is like the Punjabi proverb "Majh agge been vajauni" (playing flute in front of a buffalo). 

A Bipar who worships 33 crore devis and devtas (including donkies, monkies, rats, bats, snakes, et. al, will NEVER understand the concept of formless Akal Purakh Waheguru! He will never understand what "Ajooni Saibhang" (beyond the cycle of life and death and self-existent. 

I have a project for my Bipar friends  - catalog all the devis and devtas and their awatars in animal form before they all go extinct an d many of them might have already gone extinct. They should take pictures of them for posterity and make statues of them if they already do not have them and mass produce them. They should worry about the natural habitat of those creatures and do not worry about the Sikhs of Guru Nanak Dev and Guru Gobind Singh or their spiritual pursuits. Sikhs are not perfect, but they are doing fine. Then again, it is none of Bipar's business!

Guru Rakha!

 

Tarlochan Singh

 

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