Re: [Cknet] Re: Waheguru means "Guru within"

[Warren Uesato]

Dear Gulati,

You are obviously a learned man, and very willing to share your knowledge with us. In the future, I hope you can refrain from the use of profanity in your musings.

warren

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 7:20 PM DevinderSingh Gulati <devindersi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Balbinder Singh ji,

"Wonderful Guru" is a laughable explanation as my friend pointed out, whose email I have also quoted earlier -  a part of which I now repeat below:

Quote from ''The Riddles of God'' by Jalaludin Rumi (1207 - 1273), the Persian mystical poet, may help explain Wahe or Wahy. 
 
''So thou mayest understand His riddles and read both the covert and the overt.
Then upon thine ear will descend revelation (wahy).  What is Wahy?  A voice inaudible to sense-preception*.''

It is the inspiration of the prophets (wahy) ................. It is too deep for us mere mortals to understand.
The word, thus, pre-existed sikhism and is obviously borrowed from the islamic tradition and not your balle-balle.
 
Your man is using the contemporary wah = bravo / ''amazing'' to make up the rubbish explaination, when infact it is a lot deeper and more philosophical than this dumbed, whittled down explain. 

 

I'm not surprised he settled for amazing?? for he doesn't even seem to have checked the contemporary meanings in any lexicon.  

If he had, he might have concluded wah to stand for; strength, power, dealing/interaction, ploughing or even diarrhoea (in cattle).  Certainly smacks of the later in case of his selective, ill-informed idiocy - ie it is bull-shit. 

============

This explanation is heartily embraced by Sikhi preachers today who themselves do not believe in soul (or rebirth).

Listen to Bhai Satpal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utRkJlDPCUo

Satpal says Sikhi is the practice of yoga and that Nanak is the king of yogis.

Yoga, he says, is union.

Union of what with what?

He doesn't have a clue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keBP7AzSrjQ&t=600s

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 5:06 PM Balbinder Singh <balbind...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Wahi and Guru are two words; ‘Wahi’ pronounced as ‘Wah’ means Wonderful and ‘Guru’.  

Wahi Guru has been used by Gayand Bhatt in the praise of Guru Ram Daas Sahib. 

Therefore the meaning of Wahi Please Guru, “Guru Ram Daas Sahib! You’re wonderful”. 

Regards 

Balbinder Singh 

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On 6 Jun 2020, at 8:13 pm, DevinderSingh Gulati <devindersi...@gmail.com> wrote:



God within and God without perform two different functions in so far as the human being is concerned.

God within as the soul offers guidance for right action - God without (above) provides all knowledge.

The soul, which is a portion of God, whispers inaudibly, and is hence the Guru within or waheguru.

It is reached by meditating deeply in the heart.

When you listen to shabad kirtan blocking out mental activity, you are trying to form the connection with naam.

It is an effort at awakening the soul that lies dormant in us.

So long as it is dormant it is not Guru.

God is there within but we must make him our Guru.

Minute 0:40 of the video tells you the consequence of reaching God above.

To find the Guru within, the veil over the heart has to be broken; see minute 1:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoRhAscy_Ck

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 12:12 AM <dar...@aol.com> wrote:

Dr. Chahal;
Veer Ji Sat Sri Akal. Thank you for your response.
I did not clearly state what my objective was. What I wanted to say was that I prefer to translate Waheguru as God (Guru's Guru) and not
As Guru With in. Likewise Satguru as God. Therefore, I do not agree with Keertan Giani reciting Guru Arjan Dev's hymn "Sabb Ton Vada Satguru Nanak, Jin Kar Rakhi Meree" . I read that hymn as " Sabh ton Vada Satguru, Nanak jin Kar Rakhi Meree": Note the Comma place change the meaning; Nanak says God is my protector
Translated as; God is supreme who is my protector and not Nanak (Arjan Dev) is supreme who is my protector.
What I wanted to say is prefix before Guru refers to God. I prefer not to say that Waheguru means Guru with in.( you can say God with in).
Sorry for the confusion. As you know that I read Guru Granth Sahib daily even though these days about 10 pages daily (Whole scripture twice a year.
Your Younger Brother
Prem

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Dear Dr Kahlon,

Reading about your missive after a long time. 

First of all I want to mention for the information of all the members of Understanding Sikhism that the word, WHEGURU, has neither been used by Guru Nanak or by any other Sikh Guru whose bani is incorporated in the AGGS. 

The other point I want to make it clear that the GURU of Nanak is SABD. Please look into my following article for details: 

SABD (ਸਬਦ): THE GURU OF NANAK

Prof Devinder Singh Chahal, PhD Institute for Understanding Sikhism Laval, Quebec, H7W 5L9 Email: sik...@iuscanada.com

http://www.iuscanada.com/journal/archives/2015/j1701p37.pdf

Regards, 

Devinder Singh Chahal

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 1:25 PM darshik via Understanding Sikhism, <sikh-i...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Guru Fateh. What I learnt in H/S is;

When we use Prefix with Guru (Like Waheguru, Satguru etc) it means Guru's Guru. Our Guru is Nanak and Nanak's Guru is God. That is how we were supposed to translate Gurbani. According to Sikhism God reside with in us. Waheguru Bless us All

 

Prem

 

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Subject: Re: Waheguru means "Guru within"

Thank you Gulati ji for the two links, in particular the first one. It was educational for me on selected issues.

Ravindra Koul

अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 

शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 

On Apr 19, 2020, at 6:38 AM, DevinderSingh Gulati <devindersi...@gmail.com> wrote:

It was the first Sikh ideologue Bhai Gurdas, who set Sikhs on a wild goose chase for its meaning.

The word is not used by the Gurus or the Bhagats.

So there is very little internal sense of the Gurbani to guide one.

Sikhs today accept its meaning as "wondorous Guru" or WAAH GURU.

Before we build on the topic further, watch these two videos to serve as a base for further discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7owHFG2Xvz4&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmJVkplFfyo

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[Jas Singh]

Gurfathe ji,

I have been bestowed to be part of this email group where all you great
intellectual personalities are involved.  Aap Sareya noo mere valo "
Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ke Fathe ji"

I would like to add my 2 cents (apne maat pechey rakh key) by keeping my
mind/ego aside.  Her, we are looking for an answer of what *VaheGuru* means
or who is GURU.  As I said before " apne maat pechey rakh key " we need
understand what Guru ji is trying to say in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, since our
subject is "Vaheguru Means..... "  Where as answer to this question is with
in Guru Granth Sahib ji (Pothey) where in Sid Ghosth Guru Nanak Dev ji said
to all Sid (Saadhu's) when they ask him "who is your Guru or whom you
follow and how you do Seva.?"

Who is your Guru - Guru Ji Answered " *Pawan Guru Surat Dun Cheala"
 "Shabad Guru" *that Shabad is "VAHEGURU"
How do you do Seva:- Guru Ji Answered " *Naam hamare Gurr Ke Save, Naam
Hamare Puja Dev"  *Here Naam is again "VAHEGURU"
How do you say this Naam:- Guru Ji Answered " *Ek Aakh Akhey, Shabad
Bakhey, Aradh Auradh Din Raat" * Here it means -  He (Guru Nanak Dev Ji)
taught us the way how we can chant his name he said " I only chant one name
(Vaheguru) by Inhale and Exhale day and night. So when I inhale I say "
*VAHE*" and when  Exhale say *GURU* and by doing this, my mind, my senses
and my soul attached with him (Almighty), I become his follower (Cheela).

Bentey:-  *Hum Kery Kiram, Satgurr Sarnai, Kar Deya Naam (Vaheguru) Pargas*=
.
Our whole Guru Granth Ji (Pothey) revolves around NAAM which is VAHEGURU.

Koi Bhul Chuk De Maafie Ji.

Thanks 

Jas Singh~

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[Balbinder Singh]

[Jas Singh]

Gurfathe ji,

I have been bestowed to be part of this email group where all you great intellectual personalities are involved.  Aap Sareya noo mere valo " Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ke Fathe ji"

I would like to add my 2 cents (apne maat pechey rakh key) by keeping my mind/ego aside.  Her, we are looking for an answer of what VaheGuru means or who is GURU.  As I said before " apne maat pechey rakh key " we need understand what Guru ji is trying to say in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, since our subject is "Vaheguru Means..... "  Where as answer to this question is with in Guru Granth Sahib ji (Pothey) where in Sid Ghosth Guru Nanak Dev ji said to all Sid (Saadhu's) when they ask him "who is your Guru or whom you follow and how you do Seva.?"

Who is your Guru - Guru Ji Answered " Pawan Guru Surat Dun Cheala"   "Shabad Guru" that Shabad is "VAHEGURU"

How do you do Seva:- Guru Ji Answered " Naam hamare Gurr Ke Save, Naam Hamare Puja Dev"  Here Naam is again "VAHEGURU"

How do you say this Naam:- Guru Ji Answered " Ek Aakh Akhey, Shabad Bakhey, Aradh Auradh Din Raat"  Here it means -  He (Guru Nanak Dev Ji)  taught us the way how we can chant his name he said " I only chant one name (Vaheguru) by Inhale and Exhale day and night. So when I inhale I say "VAHE" and when  Exhale say GURU and by doing this, my mind, my senses and my soul attached with him (Almighty), I become his follower (Cheela).

Bentey:-  Hum Kery Kiram, Satgurr Sarnai, Kar Deya Naam (Vaheguru) Pargas.  Our whole Guru Granth Ji (Pothey) revolves around NAAM which is VAHEGURU. 

Koi Bhul Chuk De Maafie Ji.

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[Balbinder Singh]

Dear all 

In spite of resistance from within I tried to give a factual explanation from Gurbani. 

For more details please read Suwaye Mahle Chauthe ke by Bhatt Gayand on page 1402 of Guru Granth Sahib where this word is written for more than 12 times. 

Without looking into any facts, Mr Devinder Singh Gulati is saying it’s a laughable explanation. This means he may be ignorant or taking Guru Granth Sahib a laughable Holy Scripture. 

I didn’t join this group but have been receiving emails for long time and I never respond to any emails. 

By this email I request the administration of this group to delete my name and don’t send any email to me in future. 

Regards 

Balbinder Singh 

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On 7 Jun 2020, at 12:20 pm, DevinderSingh Gulati <devindersi...@gmail.com> wrote:



Balbinder Singh ji,

"Wonderful Guru" is a laughable explanation as my friend pointed out, whose email I have also quoted earlier -  a part of which I now repeat below:

Quote from ''The Riddles of God'' by Jalaludin Rumi (1207 - 1273), the Persian mystical poet, may help explain Wahe or Wahy. 
 
''So thou mayest understand His riddles and read both the covert and the overt.
Then upon thine ear will descend revelation (wahy).  What is Wahy?  A voice inaudible to sense-preception*.''

It is the inspiration of the prophets (wahy) ................. It is too deep for us mere mortals to understand.
The word, thus, pre-existed sikhism and is obviously borrowed from the islamic tradition and not your balle-balle.
 
Your man is using the contemporary wah = bravo / ''amazing'' to make up the rubbish explaination, when infact it is a lot deeper and more philosophical than this dumbed, whittled down explain. 

 

I'm not surprised he settled for amazing?? for he doesn't even seem to have checked the contemporary meanings in any lexicon.  

If he had, he might have concluded wah to stand for; strength, power, dealing/interaction, ploughing or even diarrhoea (in cattle).  Certainly smacks of the later in case of his selective, ill-informed idiocy - ie it is bull-shit. 

============

This explanation is heartily embraced by Sikhi preachers today who themselves do not believe in soul (or rebirth).

Listen to Bhai Satpal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utRkJlDPCUo

Satpal says Sikhi is the practice of yoga and that Nanak is the king of yogis.

Yoga, he says, is union.

Union of what with what?

He doesn't have a clue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keBP7AzSrjQ&t=600s

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 5:06 PM Balbinder Singh <balbind...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[DevinderSingh Gulati]

[Gill, Rahuldeep]

How do I get off these lists? You guys are awesome but, come on.

 

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[Ravneet Singh]

Thanks Jas Singh ji

My only input that ardh urdh wouldn't mean that you can only say vahe while inhale and guru as you exhale... Per my understanding here it means while we breath we need to chant... We shouldn't be emphasising that our concentration shall remain on what we speak while we inhale or exhale.. rather it should be spontaneous that we chant all the time ... without a mental stress of what to utter when the breath goes in and what to utter as it comes out... Sehaj naal ho jave bus...

Bhul chukk maaf karni ji...

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[DevinderSingh Gulati]

Balbinder Singh ji,

"Wonderful Guru" is a laughable explanation as my friend pointed out, whose email I have also quoted earlier -  a part of which I now repeat below:

Quote from ''The Riddles of God'' by Jalaludin Rumi (1207 - 1273), the Persian mystical poet, may help explain Wahe or Wahy. 
 
''So thou mayest understand His riddles and read both the covert and the overt.
Then upon thine ear will descend revelation (wahy).  What is Wahy?  A voice inaudible to sense-preception*.''

It is the inspiration of the prophets (wahy) ................. It is too deep for us mere mortals to understand.
The word, thus, pre-existed sikhism and is obviously borrowed from the islamic tradition and not your balle-balle.
 
Your man is using the contemporary wah = bravo / ''amazing'' to make up the rubbish explaination, when infact it is a lot deeper and more philosophical than this dumbed, whittled down explain. 

 

I'm not surprised he settled for amazing?? for he doesn't even seem to have checked the contemporary meanings in any lexicon.  

If he had, he might have concluded wah to stand for; strength, power, dealing/interaction, ploughing or even diarrhoea (in cattle).  Certainly smacks of the later in case of his selective, ill-informed idiocy - ie it is bull-shit. 

============

This explanation is heartily embraced by Sikhi preachers today who themselves do not believe in soul (or rebirth).

Listen to Bhai Satpal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utRkJlDPCUo

Satpal says Sikhi is the practice of yoga and that Nanak is the king of yogis.

Yoga, he says, is union.

Union of what with what?

He doesn't have a clue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keBP7AzSrjQ&t=600s

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 5:06 PM Balbinder Singh <balbind...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Gulbarg Singh Basi]

Respected Jagjit Singh ji;

I could not not find any reference in SGGS where Sikhs are encouraged to VAHIGURU JAPNA. There are references to NAAMU JAPNA. Also other names like RAM, GOBIND, HARI Etc. JAPNA , but never a mention of VAHIGURU JAPNA.

Please help if you can find such a reference in SGGS.

Chardi Kalaa;

Gulbarg Singh Basi

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On Jun 7, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Jagjit Ahuja <jagjit...@gmail.com> wrote:



God has been well described in Japji Sahib and by Mool Mantra  . 

As far as defination of Guru , we have to accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib as our living Guru. By reciting  

 Waheguru , we are preying for our living Guru .

Since commas are not used in SGGS , the contention as mentioned in the trailing mails is correct . 

Sabh tey wada satgur

    Nanak jin kal rakhi meri.

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[Jagjit Ahuja]

You may be right that there may be no direct  mention of Waheguru Japna in SGGS but  we all do it in praise  of  it , being our living Guru  . 

We have already accepted that 

Bani Guru 

 Guru hai Bani 

Vich Bani Amrit saray

Thus  in a way we worship Bani , as recorded in SGGS ,our living Guru.

I hope this simple explanation  may help in solving this Conundrum creeping in our minds.

Some well known  writer has written long back 

Rub ik gunjaldhar bujharat 

Rub ik gorakh dhandha

Kholan lagya pech iss day 

Kafar ho jayay banda

We can get it on Google where it is reproduced in Urdu script.
Brig Jagjit Singh Ahuja

[Gurjeet Singh]

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On Tue., 9 Jun. 2020 at 22:31, 'Gurbaksh Oberoi' via Understanding Sikhism

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Dear holy souls,

Just to share my personal experience:

I get great Peace through my INVOLUNTARY recitation of Waheguru, Waheguru, Waheguru, all the time(audibly or silently). I have been doing it since the death of my beloved wife, 14 years ago.

To me, this holy word stands for God Almighty who is my Sole Protector and Mentor. Waheguru is Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent. 

Sarbat da Bhala!!!!

GS Oberoi, E 64, Sector 21, Noida(UP). 201301. INDIA.

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[Avtar Dhaliwal]

Guru pyaaree Sangat Jio,

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh.

A salutation for the Khalsa is for Sikh Sangat as well.

So long as we understand that this salutation was used by Bhat Gyand in admiration of Guru RamDas ji and not for God in any form or any manner; we can say it and even chant it if you like. But, keep in mind that you are admiring the Sikh Guru  Sahiban and the Guru Granth Sahib. Not any God. From Gurbani we have learnt that the Sikh Guru Sahiban and the exalted Bhagats were similar to God that we all praise Him.

So, please do chant or pray Waheguru for admiring Guru Sahiban and the Guru Granth Sahib. 

God in The Gurbani is featureless, formless, unfathomable, and indefinable. So long your soul understands it and accepts the happenings around you as the natural phenomena, you will be feeling the God is with you in every aspect.

Avtar Singh Dhaliwal, MD

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On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 8:31 AM, 'Gurbaksh Oberoi' via Understanding Sikhism <sikh-i...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dear holy souls,

Just to share my personal experience:

I get great Peace through my INVOLUNTARY recitation of Waheguru, Waheguru, Waheguru, all the time(audibly or silently). I have been doing it since the death of my beloved wife, 14 years ago.

To me, this holy word stands for God Almighty who is my Sole Protector and Mentor. Waheguru is Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent. 

Sarbat da Bhala!!!!

GS Oberoi, E 64, Sector 21, Noida(UP). 201301. INDIA.

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[DevinderSingh Gulati]

The two paths to finding God are laid out at page 1159 of Gurbani:

“My heart is pure, and so I have seen the Lord within. Searching, searching within the self, Kabeer has met the Lord. ||4||7|| I focus my meditation on my inner self, deep within. In the first chakra, the root chakra, I have grasped the reins and tied them. I have firmly placed the moon above the sun. The sun blazes forth at the western gate. Through the central channel of the Shushmanaa, it rises up above my head. ||2|| There is a stone at that western gate, and above that stone, is another window. Above that window is the Tenth Gate. Says Kabeer, it has no end or limitation. ||3||2||10||” Kabeer  https://www.searchgurbani.com/guru-granth-sahib/ang/1159

Kabir prefers to be guided by the Guru within. The soul is a portion of the divine and is therefore like a moon to the sun that blazes away above the head.

To break the obstruction between the mind and the all-knowledge beyond, one has to raise the kundalini force.

But Kabir has tied it down at its very first station. He is not at all allured by the all-knowledge. But he knows it - he is aware of that path too.

[Gulbarg Singh Basi]

Respected Jas Singh ji;

I am honored and humbled to be among Sikh scholars.

It is so nice to know that Sikhs are trying to understand Guru Nanak Sahib’s message in SGGS.

As est as I know Guru Nanak’s Bani enshrined in SGGS, Guru Nanak Sahib never used Many a names for the Creator , but not VAHIGURU.

In fact none of the Guru Sahib whose Bani is enshrined in SGGS refereed the Creator by VAHIGURU. 

So, I would very much like to know your basis to claim that by the word, “SABAD” in Sidh ghost, Guru Nanak Sahib implied VAHIGURU.

Please oblige.

Chardi Kalaa;

Gulbarg Singh Basi

On Jun 8, 2020, at 2:20 AM, 'raj dasanjh' via Understanding Sikhism <sikh-i...@googlegroups.com> wrote:



WaheguruJi ka Khalsa 🙏🏽

WaheguruJi ki Fateh Fateh 🙏🏽

Dear All,

Thank you all so much for your valued input, deeply appreciated. 🙏🏽

In my humble opinion, first and foremost is that we chant the Naam “Waheguru” with sacha pyaar and nimrata, je Satgur nadar kare🙏🏽

As our Beloved Kalgi Dhar Pathshah, Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj said,

“Sach kahun Sunle re Sabhe 

Jin Prem kiyo tinhi Prabh payo.”

I thought I’d share this Baba Bulleh Shah kalaam with you all.  I love it, puts things into perspective for me. 

If you like it, you can actually listen on YouTube.

I wish I had a singing voice 😊

Parh parh Alam fazal hoye

Kadhe apne aap nu pariye nahi

Bajh bajh bardna mandir masita

Kadhe man apne wich bardiya nahi
Larna roj shaitaan de naal

Kadhe NAFS apne naal lariye nahi

Bulleh Shah asmani udhdiya pharone 

Jerhda GHAR BAITHA onu Phariyay nahi.

With Much Love to All

Always Chardi Kala

Raj Singh

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Thanks Jas Singh ji

My only input that ardh urdh wouldn't mean that you can only say vahe while inhale and guru as you exhale... Per my understanding here it means while we breath we need to chant... We shouldn't be emphasising that our concentration shall remain on what we speak while we inhale or exhale.. rather it should be spontaneous that we chant all the time ... without a mental stress of what to utter when the breath goes in and what to utter as it comes out... Sehaj naal ho jave bus...

Bhul chukk maaf karni ji...

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[Avtar Dhaliwal]

Respected GLZ SADH SANGAT JIO.

G UR FATEH. Devinder Singh Gulati and like him are trying to misguide the Sikhs to follow Brahmanical interpretations that are incorporated into AGGS.

Bhai Gurdas ji is certainly a well educated and brilliant person  to understand and scribe the Aad Guru,

Granth Sahib. As pointed out that Sikhi has been attack by the Brahmans right from the outset, Fortunately Guru Arjan Sahib ji wrote Aad Guru Granth Sahib in such a manner that nothing. Could be added or removed without permission by the Guru or  the SADH Sangat.

 Composition style of Bhai Gurdas ji has been discussed in previous discussions on the subject of Vahiguru  being manipulated by the Braimans. Most of his Vars are in  even number of stanzas except for the first parred. First paurree is the one that contains composition of Vahiguru  based upon the names of Hindu deities like V for Vishnu and. H for Hari etc.etc. 

The paurree is number 49 which makes outside the style of composing Vars in even number-stanzas.

 

We have recently discussed what Nam is and how it should be realized to assimilate in Your memory for regular meditation.

As it has been pointed out that the term .’Vahiguru’ is reflecting admiration of the Guru Sahiban and not reflecting  God or any of Its derivative. 

Guru’s recommendation to utter is “ Bolo Sach Nam Kartar”

And whenever Guru ji has to address God they used the term ‘prabh, prabhu,prabh ji”.

Prabh ji Gunn Gaavaan nith taere

Prabh ji khasmaana ker piarae, burae bhalae hum theaare

I understand that everybody is reading GGS so e everybody can refer to the point of Guru ji subjecting God as Prabhji.

Avtar Singh Dhaliwal 

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Gulati ji wrote:

On Monday, June 8, 2020, 10:38:58 AM EDT, DevinderSingh Gulati devindersi...@gmail.com [hyderabadsikhs] <hyderab...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Gulati ji wrote; "The two paths to finding God are laid out at page 1159 of Gurbani:

“My heart is pure, and so I have seen the Lord within. Searching, searching within the self, Kabeer has met the Lord. ||4||7|| I focus my meditation on my inner self, deep within. In the first chakra, the root chakra, I have grasped the reins and tied them. I have firmly placed the moon above the sun. The sun blazes forth at the western gate. Through the central channel of the Shushmanaa, it rises up above my head. ||2|| There is a stone at that western gate, and above that stone, is another window. Above that window is the Tenth Gate. Says Kabeer, it has no end or limitation. ||3||2||10||” Kabeer  https://www.searchgurbani.com/guru-granth-sahib/ang/1159

Kabir prefers to be guided by the Guru within. The soul is a portion of the divine and is therefore like a moon to the sun that blazes away above the head.

To break the obstruction between the mind and the all-knowledge beyond, one has to raise the kundalini force.

But Kabir has tied it down at its very first station. He is not at all allured by the all-knowledge. But he knows it - he is aware of that path too.

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Kabir Ji was not a scientist, but his reflection on Soul and God in this Shabad aligns with the modern scientific understanding of conscious and super-conscious. Kabir ji did all the thinking with a concentration in the brain and realized the alignment of his mind with the Soul (Limbic System in the brain). In the Amygdala component of the Limbic system gathers our thoughts, analyzed further in the hippocampus area in the medial aspect of the temporal lobe of the brain. So what Kabir ji realized was in his medial aspect of the temporal lobe of the brain (that is, above the ear). It is the same description by the Yogies as well. Rarely an innocent person concentrating similarly gets the same realization. 

It is good to understand old philosophy scientifically in 2021.

Avtar Singh Dhaliwal, MD

USA

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[Harmander Singh]

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On Sunday, 7 June 2020, 03:20:07 BST, DevinderSingh Gulati devindersi...@gmail.com [sikh_news_discussion] <sikh_news_disc...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Balbinder Singh ji,

"Wonderful Guru" is a laughable explanation as my friend pointed out, whose email I have also quoted earlier -  a part of which I now repeat below:

Quote from ''The Riddles of God'' by Jalaludin Rumi (1207 - 1273), the Persian mystical poet, may help explain Wahe or Wahy. 
 
''So thou mayest understand His riddles and read both the covert and the overt.
Then upon thine ear will descend revelation (wahy).  What is Wahy?  A voice inaudible to sense-preception*.''

It is the inspiration of the prophets (wahy) .................. It is too deep for us mere mortals to understand.

The word, thus, pre-existed sikhism and is obviously borrowed from the islamic tradition and not your balle-balle.
 
Your man is using the contemporary wah = bravo / ''amazing'' to make up the rubbish explaination, when infact it is a lot deeper and more philosophical than this dumbed, whittled down explain. 

 

I'm not surprised he settled for amazing?? for he doesn't even seem to have checked the contemporary meanings in any lexicon.  

If he had, he might have concluded wah to stand for; strength, power, dealing/interaction, ploughing or even diarrhoea (in cattle).  Certainly smacks of the later in case of his selective, ill-informed idiocy - ie it is bull-shit. 

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This explanation is heartily embraced by Sikhi preachers today who themselves do not believe in soul (or rebirth).

Listen to Bhai Satpal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utRkJlDPCUo

Satpal says Sikhi is the practice of yoga and that Nanak is the king of yogis.

Yoga, he says, is union.

Union of what with what?

He doesn't have a clue: https://www..youtube.com/watch?v=keBP7AzSrjQ&t=600s

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[Gurbaksh Oberoi]

Dear holy souls,

Just to share my personal experience:

I get great Peace through my INVOLUNTARY recitation of Waheguru, Waheguru, Waheguru, all the time(audibly or silently). I have been doing it since the death of my beloved wife, 14 years ago.

To me, this holy word stands for God Almighty who is my Sole Protector and Mentor. Waheguru is Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent. 

Sarbat da Bhala!!!!

GS Oberoi, E 64, Sector 21, Noida(UP). 201301. INDIA.

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[Jagjit Ahuja]

God has been well described in Japji Sahib and by Mool Mantra  . 

As far as defination of Guru , we have to accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib as our living Guru. By reciting  

 Waheguru , we are preying for our living Guru .

Since commas are not used in SGGS , the contention as mentioned in the trailing mails is correct . 

Sabh tey wada satgur

    Nanak jin kal rakhi meri.

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[raj dasanjh]

WaheguruJi ka Khalsa 🙏🏽

WaheguruJi ki Fateh Fateh 🙏🏽

Dear All,

Thank you all so much for your valued input, deeply appreciated. 🙏🏽

In my humble opinion, first and foremost is that we chant the Naam “Waheguru” with sacha pyaar and nimrata, je Satgur nadar kare🙏🏽

As our Beloved Kalgi Dhar Pathshah, Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj said,

“Sach kahun Sunle re Sabhe 

Jin Prem kiyo tinhi Prabh payo.”

I thought I’d share this Baba Bulleh Shah kalaam with you all.  I love it, puts things into perspective for me. 

If you like it, you can actually listen on YouTube.

I wish I had a singing voice 😊

Parh parh Alam fazal hoye

Kadhe apne aap nu pariye nahi

Bajh bajh bardna mandir masita

Kadhe man apne wich bardiya nahi
Larna roj shaitaan de naal

Kadhe NAFS apne naal lariye nahi

Bulleh Shah asmani udhdiya pharone 

Jerhda GHAR BAITHA onu Phariyay nahi.

With Much Love to All

Always Chardi Kala

Raj Singh

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