Acrylic Sun Shades - Isn't it an encrochement ?
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Vinay Jain
Feb 19, 2011, 10:27:34 AM2/19/11
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Dear All,
Can anyone advise me if placing Acrylic Sun Shades (3feet wide) in
front of Balconies (in CGHS) is allowed ? If not, where I can get the
relevant information on this.
Our neighbors (A floor below us) has placed 3 feet wide sun-shades in
front of all room balconies as well as extended sun-shade roof on
large balcony. This has not only blocked our down-side view but also
due to pigeon droppings on rooftop it is leading to unhygienic living
conditions for us.
Can we take any action to stop them. Society management has refused to
intervene in this case.
Can anyone advise me if placing Acrylic Sun Shades (3feet wide) in
front of Balconies (in CGHS) is allowed ? If not, where I can get the
relevant information on this.
Our neighbors (A floor below us) has placed 3 feet wide sun-shades in
front of all room balconies as well as extended sun-shade roof on
large balcony. This has not only blocked our down-side view but also
due to pigeon droppings on rooftop it is leading to unhygienic living
conditions for us.
Can we take any action to stop them. Society management has refused to
intervene in this case.
Atul
Feb 20, 2011, 12:05:49 AM2/20/11
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Since the management has refused to intervene you are left with no
option but approaching the police. Your neighbour has no right to
carry out any alterations to the exterior of the building. A simple
comlaint to the police should serve your purpose. I hope your
neighbour understands that the people on upper floors have better
options of making their neghbours' nights sleepless and your
courteousness is not your weakness. Think.
option but approaching the police. Your neighbour has no right to
carry out any alterations to the exterior of the building. A simple
comlaint to the police should serve your purpose. I hope your
neighbour understands that the people on upper floors have better
options of making their neghbours' nights sleepless and your
courteousness is not your weakness. Think.
Rajender_Shalini Arya
Feb 20, 2011, 9:57:42 PM2/20/11
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Mr Vinay Jain,
Kindly purchase Uniied Building Bye-laws which will tell you whether this kind of encroahcment is legal or not. If found therein some violation, you can approach the
concerned authority whether it may be DDA or MCD. I feel that DDA has yet not handed over charge of societes to MCD.
RAJENDER ARYA
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Vinay Jain
Feb 25, 2011, 9:13:23 PM2/25/11
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Dear Krishna,
I respect your views but don't agree with it as these are presented
without understanding the ground reality.
I would not have mind these shades if they were placed on windows
without shades. Also, I feel that the very purpose of providing
balconies is to protect your ACs and costly polish/paints you
mentioned. Many people in our society (including our neighbors) have
covered these balconies with aluminum framed glass windows. I don't
have any problem with this as well as it doesn't kill 'my' happiness.
However, placing shades in front of these covered balconies is where I
have the objection. It is not only obstructing the view, but the
situation is so bad that even I can't sit in my larger balcony because
it stinks due to pigeon droppings on this acrylic rooftop next to it.
One need to understand that CGHS are build on ground of equal rights.
You can't spoil other person's happiness for your own.
Do you really still support them ?
I want a healthy discussion around this. Request others to share their
views.
Regards,
Vinay
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Krishna <kms...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Vinay
Please try to cooperate with everyone lest you obviously wants to
fight with neighbours.. These shades are very very common everywhere
in Delhi and everywhere in India.. Nobody should crib about such small
these and spoil the environment we stay at..
I am not sure about legal angle but than I can say same about almost
all ACs that are hanging outside everyone homes.. Some view is blocked
due to that also :)... And you will agree such shades are useful as
well to protect from rains/sun inside the balconies or protecting the
wooden winodws, ACs etc from water..
So you should urself do self-analysis to see whether the gains of that
shade (Even to your neighbour) are more than the problem of your view
and if yes, lets forgive them for blocking your view.
If you come to my society, the society president has extended his
balcony by 3 ft * 6 ft by consturcting and some people complained to
DDA etc but still nothing much happened.. Almost everyone has put 200+
liter water tanks in hanging outside kitchen winodw( its dangerous)
but no action.. Above two things should not have happened. But lots of
people have shades and covers of AC outside houses but I feel that is
fine as it protect much costlier things like wooden doors/windows
during rains, ACs etc..
regards
Krishna
I respect your views but don't agree with it as these are presented
without understanding the ground reality.
I would not have mind these shades if they were placed on windows
without shades. Also, I feel that the very purpose of providing
balconies is to protect your ACs and costly polish/paints you
mentioned. Many people in our society (including our neighbors) have
covered these balconies with aluminum framed glass windows. I don't
have any problem with this as well as it doesn't kill 'my' happiness.
However, placing shades in front of these covered balconies is where I
have the objection. It is not only obstructing the view, but the
situation is so bad that even I can't sit in my larger balcony because
it stinks due to pigeon droppings on this acrylic rooftop next to it.
One need to understand that CGHS are build on ground of equal rights.
You can't spoil other person's happiness for your own.
Do you really still support them ?
I want a healthy discussion around this. Request others to share their
views.
Regards,
Vinay
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Krishna <kms...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Vinay
Please try to cooperate with everyone lest you obviously wants to
fight with neighbours.. These shades are very very common everywhere
in Delhi and everywhere in India.. Nobody should crib about such small
these and spoil the environment we stay at..
I am not sure about legal angle but than I can say same about almost
all ACs that are hanging outside everyone homes.. Some view is blocked
due to that also :)... And you will agree such shades are useful as
well to protect from rains/sun inside the balconies or protecting the
wooden winodws, ACs etc from water..
So you should urself do self-analysis to see whether the gains of that
shade (Even to your neighbour) are more than the problem of your view
and if yes, lets forgive them for blocking your view.
If you come to my society, the society president has extended his
balcony by 3 ft * 6 ft by consturcting and some people complained to
DDA etc but still nothing much happened.. Almost everyone has put 200+
liter water tanks in hanging outside kitchen winodw( its dangerous)
but no action.. Above two things should not have happened. But lots of
people have shades and covers of AC outside houses but I feel that is
fine as it protect much costlier things like wooden doors/windows
during rains, ACs etc..
regards
Krishna
Ranjeet Kumar
Feb 26, 2011, 9:49:35 PM2/26/11
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If balcony is open and no natural shades from upper floor balcony then covering balcony with kachha shade is allowed. How ever in any condition that shade must not go beyong the balcony area. In your case chek if the shade is outside of balcony, then this should be removed. Ideally rwa must intervene this, but they found themselves helpless due to many reason. If possible, complain with assistance of rwa, ask rwa to prepare comolain on their letterhead etc...that will have more waitage as well as your relationship with neighbers which is important.
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Krishna
Feb 27, 2011, 1:49:50 PM2/27/11
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Dear Sir
Thanks for understanding that there should always be healthy
discussion on such topics.. Our flat is too on 4th floor and I don't
have any shades anywhere but some of our neighbours have it (thank god
not one below my flat else my balcony would also have been stinking
like urs :))..
I 100% agree with the pigeon drooping problem.. The person whose shade
is MUST take care of its cleanliness so that others don't get any
stink or problem due to that.. But I do have alumuniam frame windows
covering the balcony.. I would say if someone makes a small shade over
that (if u don't have water directly strikes those windows frame
bringing dirt etc inside) it should be ok provided he takes of
cleaning that as well once in a month or so by some means. Definitely
ur external balcony frames etc life increases if its protected from
rains etc..
So I feel you will agree if a small shade is there to protect frame
from rain its ok provided its cleaned regularly.... Above all, its
always good to talk friendly with your neighbour, ask him to come to
your big balcony and smell the same..And am sure if you ask him to
break out the stuff on which he might have invested like 8-10 thousand
he would resent but once in a month cleaning from society sweeper of
those sheds by paying 50-100Rs won't create any problem for him as
well..
Anyway its better not to call police for such small problem and
directly talk to the person so that you both understand each other
point (unless u are tenant or he is tenant and thus not going to live
together for long).. Such action definitely sour the relations for
long run which I am sure nobody likes to have..
Regards
krishna
On Feb 25, 9:13 pm, Vinay Jain <vinaj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Krishna,
>
> I respect your views but don't agree with it as these are presented
> without understanding the ground reality.
>
> I would not have mind these shades if they were placed on windows
> without shades. Also, I feel that the very purpose of providing
> balconies is to protect your ACs and costly polish/paints you
> mentioned. Many people in our society (including our neighbors) have
> covered these balconies with aluminum framed glass windows. I don't
> have any problem with this as well as it doesn't kill 'my' happiness.
> However, placing shades in front of these covered balconies is where I
> have the objection. It is not only obstructing the view, but the
> situation is so bad that even I can't sit in my larger balcony because
> it stinks due to pigeon droppings on this acrylic rooftop next to it.
>
> One need to understand that CGHS are build on ground of equal rights.
> You can't spoil other person's happiness for your own.
>
> Do you really still support them ?
>
> I want a healthy discussion around this. Request others to share their
> views.
>
> Regards,
> Vinay
>
Thanks for understanding that there should always be healthy
discussion on such topics.. Our flat is too on 4th floor and I don't
have any shades anywhere but some of our neighbours have it (thank god
not one below my flat else my balcony would also have been stinking
like urs :))..
I 100% agree with the pigeon drooping problem.. The person whose shade
is MUST take care of its cleanliness so that others don't get any
stink or problem due to that.. But I do have alumuniam frame windows
covering the balcony.. I would say if someone makes a small shade over
that (if u don't have water directly strikes those windows frame
bringing dirt etc inside) it should be ok provided he takes of
cleaning that as well once in a month or so by some means. Definitely
ur external balcony frames etc life increases if its protected from
rains etc..
So I feel you will agree if a small shade is there to protect frame
from rain its ok provided its cleaned regularly.... Above all, its
always good to talk friendly with your neighbour, ask him to come to
your big balcony and smell the same..And am sure if you ask him to
break out the stuff on which he might have invested like 8-10 thousand
he would resent but once in a month cleaning from society sweeper of
those sheds by paying 50-100Rs won't create any problem for him as
well..
Anyway its better not to call police for such small problem and
directly talk to the person so that you both understand each other
point (unless u are tenant or he is tenant and thus not going to live
together for long).. Such action definitely sour the relations for
long run which I am sure nobody likes to have..
Regards
krishna
On Feb 25, 9:13 pm, Vinay Jain <vinaj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Krishna,
>
> I respect your views but don't agree with it as these are presented
> without understanding the ground reality.
>
> I would not have mind these shades if they were placed on windows
> without shades. Also, I feel that the very purpose of providing
> balconies is to protect your ACs and costly polish/paints you
> mentioned. Many people in our society (including our neighbors) have
> covered these balconies with aluminum framed glass windows. I don't
> have any problem with this as well as it doesn't kill 'my' happiness.
> However, placing shades in front of these covered balconies is where I
> have the objection. It is not only obstructing the view, but the
> situation is so bad that even I can't sit in my larger balcony because
> it stinks due to pigeon droppings on this acrylic rooftop next to it.
>
> One need to understand that CGHS are build on ground of equal rights.
> You can't spoil other person's happiness for your own.
>
> Do you really still support them ?
>
> I want a healthy discussion around this. Request others to share their
> views.
>
> Regards,
> Vinay
>
Krishna
Feb 27, 2011, 1:58:27 PM2/27/11
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I was just thinking why people are so intolerant towards each
other..Its your neighbour and one should always first talk to them in
low voice, show what the problem you are facing, her/his viewpoint,
invite him over tea and show how the main balcony of yours stinks and
than work together for a solution.. Unless neighbour or u are a big
person, we all are middle class families who should try to make good
relations with atleast neighbours.. Nobody wants to fight be it in
personal relations or neighbours.. Its our ego that comes and prevents
to talk softly to resolve the issues as it indicates we are weak etc..
Its always good to resolve such small issues in as much cordial manner
as possible even if that means someone feels u can't behave like an
animal..
Most of us have to live with our neighbors for perhaps decades or more
and thus calling police for your own neighbour for small things anyway
won't help anything.. Police is not the authority to dictate shades
are allowed or not..In worst case, write to CGHS maangement in writing
with CC to MCD, DDA whatever and better not point to a single person
but take example of society as a whole..
But my gut feeling is this is legal as this is present everywhere in
Delhi be it DDA or societies I have mostly seen.
Regards
Krishna
other..Its your neighbour and one should always first talk to them in
low voice, show what the problem you are facing, her/his viewpoint,
invite him over tea and show how the main balcony of yours stinks and
than work together for a solution.. Unless neighbour or u are a big
person, we all are middle class families who should try to make good
relations with atleast neighbours.. Nobody wants to fight be it in
personal relations or neighbours.. Its our ego that comes and prevents
to talk softly to resolve the issues as it indicates we are weak etc..
Its always good to resolve such small issues in as much cordial manner
as possible even if that means someone feels u can't behave like an
animal..
Most of us have to live with our neighbors for perhaps decades or more
and thus calling police for your own neighbour for small things anyway
won't help anything.. Police is not the authority to dictate shades
are allowed or not..In worst case, write to CGHS maangement in writing
with CC to MCD, DDA whatever and better not point to a single person
but take example of society as a whole..
But my gut feeling is this is legal as this is present everywhere in
Delhi be it DDA or societies I have mostly seen.
Regards
Krishna
yogesh abbi
Feb 27, 2011, 9:48:32 PM2/27/11
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Dear Mr Vinay,
Your attention is drawn to the DDA Website http://www.dda.org.in/housing/permissible_alteration_housing.htm.
This gives out the details of additions/Alterations allowed,which is divided into three categoriesie Condonable,Permitted with intimation/permission and Additional coverage permitted with prior permisssion and it also lays down various procedures for seeking permissions.These are permitted by the Ministry of Urban Development and Poverty Allveiation,Government of India and are applicable to all flats built and alloted by DDA irrespective of whether they are in the notified or denotified areas.All the CGHS ,I presume also fall in this Category.However,I am putting in an RTI for the same to the building division of DDA for confirmation.We can have the views of all the people reading this.
Any views will be welcome and we can discuss the same in some forum.I would also request the "DWARKA FORUM" to take up this matter with the building section of DDA and Confirm the same as there cannot be different rules for DDA flats and CGHS in the same city.I have taken up this matter in the court also and my hearing is on 6 Apr 2011.
Rgds,
Col Yogesh Abbi (Retd)
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Sent: Sun, 20 February, 2011 6:57:42 PM
Subject: Re: [DwarkaForum] Acrylic Sun Shades - Isn't it an encrochement ?
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REJIMON C K
Feb 28, 2011, 7:36:27 AM2/28/11
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As far as I recall this is not permitted. If it is done, then need permission from agencies concerned(DDA Building) if its CGHS.
as I recall in one of the inspection report DDA has mentioned this kind of shading as objectionable and asked the MC to get it removed.
Additonal coverage of Balcony is diffrent in my view of this as it is PROJECT OUT side the Super Area(falling into common area???)
We would once again request all the CGHS Management/Members and RWA to adopt SHUBH CHINTAK GROUP within your four wall of boundary.attached may please be refer
The middle paths way to be adopted to find solution.
If the societies/rwa are not united wihin how can we get united dwarka ?
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Anil Rajput
Feb 28, 2011, 7:41:09 AM2/28/11
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Dear Friends
If any one have ever noticed that most of the flats
Using a window AC , during the summer the condensed
Water keeps dripping in the open .
I have used a plastic Pipe having concern about the
others living below my flat .
I also collect this water ( it is pure water) in a bottle
For irrigating my plants.
How may of us take care of this very small expense to
Take care of others and use this pure water.
Taking care of my neighbours has to start from self and
One should speak to them for any inconvenience to others
And I feel going in for complaint against someone creates
Bitterness and it should be avoided at any cost.
Regards
Anil Rajput
Goldcroft CGHS Sector 11 Dwarka
Regards
Krishna
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pradeep k. ivon
Feb 28, 2011, 8:12:44 AM2/28/11
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dear Vinay,
Yes i understand now your feeling because this neighbor has not just put shades on his balcony but instead, what i understand, has first covered up all his balcony and then he has gone further ahead to cover some more free space in front which i agree is not right . It is like the people who put first two three plants in front of their doors then some more & more and then an old cycle/scooter or junk etc. until they are occupying 4-5 feet of peripheral area around their house. One of our ground floor occupant has literally encroached the common peripheral area in this manner and has put shades and too much greenery to make it look like his private enclave.
we all must try to find a solution to these subtle attempts to invade and occupy open common areas by few wrong doers.
In our flats, the staircase have one bulb point on each floor to be lighted for convenience of all and this current is taken from one common wire from BSES feeder; we have noticed also some people take tapping from these points for their personal usage which must be checked & penalized by authorities. Any comments?
rgds/Pradeep K. Ivon
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Mar 1, 2011, 9:54:06 AM3/1/11
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Dear Pradeep
About electricity, I feel its pure stealing and there are some number
of BSES on which such stealing can be reported anonymously.. Govt.
won't come on own. Someone has to report it.. You can make call about
this even from some PCO if you feel your identity has to be kept
secret to avoid any -ve feelings with your neighbour. Above all, we
only need to clean the surroundings of such evils using the means
available..
Regards
Krishna
On Feb 28, 8:12 am, "pradeep k. ivon" <ivonprad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> dear Vinay,
> Yes i understand now your feeling because this neighbor has not just put
> shades on his balcony but instead, what i understand, has first covered up
> all his balcony and then he has gone further ahead to cover some more free
> space in front which i agree is not right . It is like the people who put
> first two three plants in front of their doors then some more & more and
> then an old cycle/scooter or junk etc. until they are occupying 4-5 feet of
> peripheral area around their house. One of our ground floor occupant has
> literally encroached the common peripheral area in this manner and has put
> shades and too much greenery to make it look like his private enclave.
> we all must try to find a solution to these subtle attempts to invade and
> occupy open common areas by few wrong doers.
> In our flats, the staircase have one bulb point on each floor to be lighted
> for convenience of all and this current is taken from one common wire from
> BSES feeder; we have noticed also some people take tapping from these points
> for their personal usage which must be checked & penalized by authorities.
> Any comments?
>
> rgds/Pradeep K. Ivon
>
About electricity, I feel its pure stealing and there are some number
of BSES on which such stealing can be reported anonymously.. Govt.
won't come on own. Someone has to report it.. You can make call about
this even from some PCO if you feel your identity has to be kept
secret to avoid any -ve feelings with your neighbour. Above all, we
only need to clean the surroundings of such evils using the means
available..
Regards
Krishna
On Feb 28, 8:12 am, "pradeep k. ivon" <ivonprad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> dear Vinay,
> Yes i understand now your feeling because this neighbor has not just put
> shades on his balcony but instead, what i understand, has first covered up
> all his balcony and then he has gone further ahead to cover some more free
> space in front which i agree is not right . It is like the people who put
> first two three plants in front of their doors then some more & more and
> then an old cycle/scooter or junk etc. until they are occupying 4-5 feet of
> peripheral area around their house. One of our ground floor occupant has
> literally encroached the common peripheral area in this manner and has put
> shades and too much greenery to make it look like his private enclave.
> we all must try to find a solution to these subtle attempts to invade and
> occupy open common areas by few wrong doers.
> In our flats, the staircase have one bulb point on each floor to be lighted
> for convenience of all and this current is taken from one common wire from
> BSES feeder; we have noticed also some people take tapping from these points
> for their personal usage which must be checked & penalized by authorities.
> Any comments?
>
> rgds/Pradeep K. Ivon
>
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Vinay Jain <vinaj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Krishna,
>
> > I respect your views but don't agree with it as these are presented
> > without understanding the ground reality.
>
> > I would not have mind these shades if they were placed on windows
> > without shades. Also, I feel that the very purpose of providing
> > balconies is to protect your ACs and costly polish/paints you
> > mentioned. Many people in our society (including our neighbors) have
> > covered these balconies with aluminum framed glass windows. I don't
> > have any problem with this as well as it doesn't kill 'my' happiness.
> > However, placing shades in front of these covered balconies is where I
> > have the objection. It is not only obstructing the view, but the
> > situation is so bad that even I can't sit in my larger balcony because
> > it stinks due to pigeon droppings on this acrylic rooftop next to it.
>
> > One need to understand that CGHS are build on ground of equal rights.
> > You can't spoil other person's happiness for your own.
>
> > Do you really still support them ?
>
> > I want a healthy discussion around this. Request others to share their
> > views.
>
> > Regards,
> > Vinay
>
> > Dear Krishna,
>
> > I respect your views but don't agree with it as these are presented
> > without understanding the ground reality.
>
> > I would not have mind these shades if they were placed on windows
> > without shades. Also, I feel that the very purpose of providing
> > balconies is to protect your ACs and costly polish/paints you
> > mentioned. Many people in our society (including our neighbors) have
> > covered these balconies with aluminum framed glass windows. I don't
> > have any problem with this as well as it doesn't kill 'my' happiness.
> > However, placing shades in front of these covered balconies is where I
> > have the objection. It is not only obstructing the view, but the
> > situation is so bad that even I can't sit in my larger balcony because
> > it stinks due to pigeon droppings on this acrylic rooftop next to it.
>
> > One need to understand that CGHS are build on ground of equal rights.
> > You can't spoil other person's happiness for your own.
>
> > Do you really still support them ?
>
> > I want a healthy discussion around this. Request others to share their
> > views.
>
> > Regards,
> > Vinay
>
Anil Rajput
Mar 1, 2011, 11:46:45 AM3/1/11
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Dear Friends
CISF is given the responsibility to raid such
Premises and they act promptly
Regards
Anil Rajput
Goldcroft CGHS Sector11 Dwarka
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Sent: 01 March 2011 20:24
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Subject: [DwarkaForum] Re: Acrylic Sun Shades - Isn't it an encrochement ?
Dear Pradeep
Regards
Krishna
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Ranjeet Kumar
Mar 1, 2011, 8:02:51 PM3/1/11
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In such case making coplain by email is better. You can create new email and use that.. vigilence email address is given on bses we site.
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R. Dua
Jun 28, 2011, 4:05:43 AM6/28/11
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Pradeepji, Krishnaji,
Just flipping thru d mail, came across this thread.
Something which i personally observed that complaining against Theft of Electricity.. from a common point in staircase or from a electric wire running above a premises ( as is rampant in Palam area) or from a Ground floor DDA flat which has all the Electric meters installed on the outside of the interim wall. The complaint thru whatever means is going to fall on deaf ears as the people who we are addressing the complaint are themselves drenched in this corrupt practice.
The BSES staff, right from the chap who goes from door to door to, to the chaps who sit in their offices.. right to the top are well aware of this. Some formal sounds will be made on the complaint but NOTHING else will be done, except for some more money reaching BSES staff pockets.
Almost similar case in DDA. The only good we can hope from DDA is that some Good officer is posted, which is possible and some law and order maintained in the pocket as land grabbing is concerned.
Regards.
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