Dwarka-Forum: Weekly Market

[Thirumalesh, KV]

Dear All,

I fully support the suggestion made by Mr. Arvind.

We are really disturbed with the non-availability of fresh availability
of fruits & vegetables in Dwarka. Each sectors had its own weekly
markets which caters the fruits & vegetable need of lacs of residents in
Dwarka subcity. With the untimely closure of these weekly markets by the
high handedness of police & govt. machineries (in the name of sucurity
reasons), all are suffering from the daily needs. Due to lack of good
vegetable vendors, we have to compromise on sub-standard quality items
with higher cost.

Can anyone suggest how to bring these weekly market back to normal....

Regards
thirumalesh

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From: Dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:Dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arvind Agrawal
Sent: 17 December 2007 19:18
To: Dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Dwarka-Forum: Weekly Market

Dear All,
All of us suffering a lot due to closing of weekly market for fresh
vegetable, fruits and other daily need stuffs.

Any one has information about the re-start of the Weekly Market.

regards,

Arvind

[sushil kumar]

Dear all,
If you recall many members had expressed the view and shared the information on the cited subject.It was understood that on the request of some residents of Dwarka DDA had given refrence to Delhi Police to close these local market.I , on behalf of my RWA wrote a letter to SHO,Dwarka for restoration and simultaneously requested all members to write SHO.In my view only option available is to make them understand the necessity of these market otherwise they are at the view that it is not required for Dwarka People.Those who think it may be restored can take action . Otherwise, this is the end of our traditional Haat as we have developed enough perhaps?
 
Regards
Sushil

> Subject: Dwarka-Forum: Weekly Market
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:48:21 +0530
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[Soumen Biswas]

Dear members,

 

I am of the opinion that something should be done immediately to restore the weekly markets. These markets were the source of not only fresh fruits, vegetables etc but also provided many other necessities which are not available in established shops. The commodities there were cheaper compared to the regular shops. I see no reason why these markets should not be allowed. The market in my area (sector 7 sector 9) did not inconvenience anyone.

 

Closure of these markets has also damaged the livelihoods of the poor vendors. I also would like to strongly condemn the ill-treatment meted to them by police personnel when they try to set up their carts at the roadside (which earlier used to be their sitting place in the weekly market).

 

I strongly suggest that we initiate some actiosn to bring the weekly markets back.

 

Regards,

 

Soumen Biswas
 

[REJIMON Keshavan Chathanchirayil]

sushilji/biswas, thirumlesh/arvind,

This was discussed at length earlier also,, pls see the posting and well covered in the Dwarka Plus/HT West Delhi etc.

Yes, this required but there must be a SYSTEM. They must be given NOT on Roads Nor on the SERVICE ROADS.

Dwarka got enough open space which are not given to public/private.. Let DDA allot one place in each sector.

Give it a group of people with 6 Months Permission. NO PERMANENT CONSTRUCTION/ NO TEMPRORY CONSTRUCTION.

ONLY on TROLLY or on the GROUND.

In the meantime DDA must finalise a Vegetable/Fruit Market on Central Portion of Dwarka properlly arranged and give it those vendors or there may be soceities or NGO who run for them.

Current system where MAFIA people are running these vegetabel markets or Rikshaws are not in the interest of anyone in the LONGER RUN.

In sect 9 behind Motherdairy you will find place marked for Vegetable shops.. but NO one there WHY ??

 

A good number of Local Shopping Centre and Convenience Shopping Centre earmarked are NOT constructed or constructed not allotted by DDA to help private builders.

 

It is not the Police only stopped as per information it DDA also. Why they are not taking any action against illeagle encroachments and even those Eating Vans parked on PEDESTRAIN ways..

 

Please ensure we also help authorities to have a system. If we found something wrong then COMMUNICATE to them.

If the authorities are wrong mention it to them.

We all are part of the system.. Together we need to change..Atleast let make efforts to have Dwarka a better place.

 

So ask authorities to do it in proper way and systematically NOT by harassing like this by removing market one fine day while allowing it from day one without any restrictions.

This is what my personal view.

 

Thanking you,

Rejimon

 

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REJIMON C K.
Nav Sansad Vihar, Sector 22, Dwarka, New Delhi-110077
India.

[Rajeev Sood (Gmail)]

Hi

I agree with you as every wife or mother like mine does not have a car to go shopping , for them these markets were a heaven.

We should take decisions in the interest of all the people who stay in Dwarka.

 

Regards

 

Rajeev

 

 

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[Mukul Verma]

Some hearsay recently came that such weekly markets were removed at the
instance of Reliance Fresh Stores soon to be opened in Dwarka sub-city.
They must have deployed all their might in ensuring that such markets do
not resurface in future. May be we put up this case with the local
counselor at Dwarka if anyone knows of them.

Mukul Verma
Sec-10

[anoop ghoshal]

i fully agree with the comments made by sushil ji , let us decide some agenda for the protest jointly

[pradeep k. ivon]

we can all write to the SHO through individual's RWA of each society to restart these essential market. it is indeed very unfair on the part of the DDA /Police to close them becuase they could not be nuisance to anybody especially when they are being held in the deserted service lanes particularly in our area, they were held at the service lane opposite to Gayatri aptmts sec.9, which does not have any residence. It is the buyers like us who park the cars wrongly on the roads while purchasing, which could have caused the problem to the residents or road users and not the vegetable vendors- if at all the hawkers have to be removed totally from delhi, then it is the thelas selling tea, cigarettes gutka etc. which are more of an ugly site that we have to see daily rather than weekly market.

rgds/pradeep k. ivon 

 

On 12/18/07, sushil kumar <sushi...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Dev]

I agree with you all. A market being organized for the benefit of masses can not be a nuisance. I was recently in Belgium and there also every Sunday there is a weekly market on the same pattern as we do have and that is not on the deserted roads/ service lanes but in the middle of the main city and its very very big as compared to our market. The only difference is that the traffic is managed by the police and people also behave in a disciplined way (do not enter from the wrong side of specially converted one way roads for the market) and also park their vehicles at the designated places only.

 

I have no reason to get convinced that the same practice can not be followed here with little customization to meet the local needs.

 

If some thing is to be removed then it is not these markets but the following:

 

1. Encroachments in the corridors by the Sweet shops and other shops
2. Encroachment by Dwarkadheesh temple (Sec 12)
3. Encroachment by hawkers on all the foothpaths
4. Encroachment by many shopkeepers in the markets by way of parking many many vehicles (tata sky shop in sector 4, car repair shops etc.)

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Devender K. Madan | Mobile: +91-98-18625899 | devend...@gmail.com | skype : devendermadan 

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From: Dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of pradeep k. ivon
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:34 PM
To: Dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Dwarka-Forum: Re: Weekly Market

 

we can all write to the SHO through individual's RWA of each society to restart these essential market. it is indeed very unfair on the part of the DDA /Police to close them becuase they could not be nuisance to anybody especially when they are being held in the deserted service lanes particularly in our area, they were held at the service lane opposite to Gayatri aptmts sec.9, which does not have any residence. It is the buyers like us who park the cars wrongly on the roads while purchasing, which could have caused the problem to the residents or road users and not the vegetable vendors- if at all the hawkers have to be removed totally from delhi, then it is the thelas selling tea, cigarettes gutka etc. which are more of an ugly site that we have to see daily rather than weekly market.

[p. menon]

Dear Sirs,

Due to the closure of weekly markets, yes,  there is a vacuum and there are problems to the residents, especially for ladies and senior citizens. 

But, why they were removed, who removed them. 

 

We are worried about the non availability of vegetables. 

But the authorities are worried about the resultant security problems, cleanliness, traffic diversions / jams during market days, non-availability of additional traffic & police personnel to man the area on those days, proximity of airport, recent thefts/ murder/ car jacking in the area, recent incidents  of sighting few terrorist connections in Dwarka, etc. etc.   Over & above, we always remind the authorities in our correspondence: "Dwarka a 'ZER0' tolerance zone".  Therefore, the authorities, probably wanted to show that "we are serious" and caught the poor vegetable vendors.

 

How can we take advantage out of the situation? 

 

To fill the vacuum, instead of calling the weekly market back, why can't we approach RELIANCE, NAFED, MOTHER DAIRY, etc. and ask them to come and open their outlet in each sector.  This will be a isciplined, clean,  permanet solution without any serious repuurcussions. 

 

Members may give a thought / comments.

 

P.Menon 

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[Johnson]

That is a good suggestion. we should all send off letters to the
stores you mentioned below and try to bring to their attention that a
store in dwarka would be good for both them and us. I think the whole
0 tolerance thing might have triggered this behavior with the DDA and
perhaps? they were getting too agitated at all the RTI filings and
felt that they could send out warning signals to the people of Dwarka
who dared challenge them. The closure of vegetable vendors would have
been great had there been alternate arrangements.

Side note: We must continue with the RTI filings as we have been doing
and not surrender to anyone regarding this and my speculation should
not be taken that I am discouraging that we not keep the authorities
on their toes regarding their duties.

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[Sudha Iyer]

Even I have heard the same thing. Relaince must have paid heavely to the cops to ensure these, weekly markets, which i would say essential market, since Dwarka does not have a subji mandi nor a proper vegetable market, does not come up. 
 
I read some of the mails that people have written, that people should approch the retail outlets. Would like to inform them that it sounds and looks very nice that these will be neat and clean outlets. But you will not get fresh vegetables here. We have tried reliance outlet...the vegetables doesnt last for more than a day...it starts shriking and sogging...because it is kept in cold storage and the prices are naturally high...so much for retail outets.
 
The weekly markets are nothing new. Even in Janakpuri and even in RK puram we have these weekly markets. So I cannot understand why so much of noise is made only in Dwarka.  If the traffic needs to be regulated then its the job of the traffic police to do it. So why are they shying away. And they are the first one to take "hafta" from these poor vegetable vendors.
 
So the bottom line is we need these weekly markets which is the only source of fresh veges.  And this needs to be taken up seriously with the police guys and respect authroties.  I know lot of efforts are being made by all of you.   Lets hope they are back soon and we all get fresh vegetables.
 
Regards,
 
Sudha

 
 

> Subject: Dwarka-Forum: Re: Weekly Market

> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:53:07 +0530
> From: mu...@artemishealthsciences.com
> To: Dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com

[Sabyasachi Roy]

I do support the idea of having some organised vends like Mother Dairy etc. If we can insist on the concerned authority for providing at least two Mother Dairy outlets in each sector of Dwarka. This will cater to our needs on a daily basis and almost 15 hours a day. Is it not a better way than having only weekly vegetable market ?

 

Regards,

 

Sabyasachi Roy

[SINHA Anurag]

Most of these retail stores (Reliance Fresh, Big Apple, to name few) do not have fresh stock all the time, mostly it is stale kept in deep freezers. This is the opinion of most of people who have visited these stores located at Kakrola Mor.

Adverse reviews about such stores are also available on the net.

Authorities must not have missed some designated place for these markets while planning Dwarka, it is only implementation part which is required.

I am not against ZERO tolerance, but this should be applicable universally to one and all. We have been tolerating Encroachments in front of shops, Wrong side driving (with high beam), Parking on roads, Garbage spilling off ill-maintained Green & Blue bins generating foul smell and attracting insects, Stray dogs, Digging of roads (by IGL) after fresh layer is laid, etc.

Also we have been tolerating the sleeping authorities.

Regards,

Anurag


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[anil nayal]

Yes,

 

there should be minimum 2 mother dairy in each Sector. Let's suggest how we can approach authorities / to whom should be approached for the same.

 

thanks

anil nayal

[REJIMON Keshavan Chathanchirayil]

its good idea,(transform your wish/view into ACTION),,,However, have any one takenup this with Mother Diary? Are we waiting for some1 to take up?

[Anand Shefali]

why some people r so enthusiastic abt reliance stores? most of the stores( including Subhiksha) have rotting vegetables lying about on a sorry state. and there is hardly any price difference except 4 a few types of veg.s . Weekly mkts shud be started again, they r a much better option than all these stores with stale vegies.

[Sudha Iyer]

 
It is definitely an alternative. But it is not a solution.  Because I have visited so many time the sector 9 and sector 7 mother diary..even there the prices are jacked up. There is another vendor who sites right opposite to this mother diary guy..and he will have the prices just about 50 paise or a 1 rupee more. 
 
As I have said..Mother diary is a good alternative than the retail outlets, but we would still need the weekly market.  As this is not a new concept in Delhi it should and cannot be outlawed by the vested interests. Thats my point.
 
If regulating the traffic is the concern, then this should be addressed. This is what happens in other areas in Janakpuri and RK Puram and by the way how long does the market function - 4 to 5 hours in late evenings so whats the issue. Its not a day long market where the lane/roads is blocked. I think these should be raised. I very much doubt that any one would have made complaint against these essential market. 
 
I am not sure if these have already been addressd the Police guys.  If not then I think a letter should be sent to them.
 
Best regards,
 
Sudha
 
 
 
 

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:41:49 +0530
From: reji...@gmail.com
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[Sabyasachi Roy]

Well, if some one has any reservations against Mother Dairy why don't we think of a permanent market place like Dabri market some where conveniently placed within Dwarka ?

[anil nayal]

Please suggest to whom we can approach so that concerned official can be approached.

 

thanks

anil nayal

[REJIMON Keshavan Chathanchirayil]

today i found SAFAL(mother diary) opened veg shop in Sect 23, Vardhaman Mall. in addition to an existing pvt one.

welll you need to cotact mother diary office through website..

you may also file rti following a email/letter

thanks,

rejimon

 

[Pradeep K. Ivon]

you are right madam, weekly vegetable markets have always been there since our childhood and there is no way they should be scrapped away by the vested interests of some influential class. mother dairy and other types of outlets can be there in addition but not at the cost of these markets.

may be you are staying in sec. 9 then why not let us all from this sector make a joint complaint to the Police/DDA to restore the markets. when public is forced to bear inconvenience practically the whole day on the delhi roads due to some VIP movement or other then should we all silently tolerate that harassment which is more serious than few hours of traffic mgmt due to this essential markets.

 

On grounds of traffic chao then we should also remove the sector 6 and 10 markets as there is no bigger example of chaotic traffic in dwarka then in this small area.

Surely the reasons for closure of these market lie elsewhere than in just traffic mgmt.

 

Some one in media should seriously take up this genuine concern of the masses (dear mr johnson pls highlight this in HT or TOI) as this can set precedent in future suppression of our rights slowly slowly by the civic authorities and "leaders". This is indeed an unjust and unfair step taken by the Police on whose orders, we do not know!

 

regards: pradeep k. ivon

[Rakesh Sharma]

MY DEAR PRADIP,
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I FEEL THESE POLICE CHAPS ARE WORSE THAN TERRORISTS. TO EARN FAST BUCK , THEY CAN GO TO ANY LEVEL. 

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 Pradeep K.Ivon wrote :
>you are right madam, weekly vegetable markets have always been there since our childhood and there is no way they should be scrapped away by the vested interests of some influential class. mother dairy and other types of outlets can be there in addition but not at the cost of these markets.
>may be you are staying in sec. 9 then why not let us all from this sector make a joint complaint to the Police/DDA to restore the markets. when public is forced to bear inconvenience practically the whole day on the delhi roads due to some VIP movement or other then should we all silently tolerate that harassment which is more serious than few hours of traffic mgmt due to this essential markets.
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>On grounds of traffic chao then we should also remove the sector 6 and 10 markets as there is no bigger example of chaotic traffic in dwarka then in this small area.
>Surely the reasons for closure of these market lie elsewhere than in just traffic mgmt.
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>Some one in media should seriously take up this genuine concern of the masses (dear mr johnson pls highlight this in HT or TOI) as this can set precedent in future suppression of our rights slowly slowly by the civic authorities and "leaders". This is indeed an unjust and unfair step taken by the Police on whose orders, we do not know!
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>regards: pradeep k. ivon
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>  From: Sudha Iyer
>  To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
>  Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 12:47 PM
>  Subject: Dwarka-Forum: Re: Weekly Market
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>  It is definitely an alternative. But it is not a solution.  Because I have visited so many time the sector 9 and sector 7 mother diary..even there the prices are jacked up. There is another vendor who sites right opposite to this mother diary guy..and he will have the prices just about 50 paise or a 1 rupee more.
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>  As I have said..Mother diary is a good alternative than the retail outlets, but we would still need the weekly market.  As this is not a new concept in Delhi it should and cannot be outlawed by the vested interests. Thats my point.
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>  If regulating the traffic is the concern, then this should be addressed. This is what happens in other areas in Janakpuri and RK Puram and by the way how long does the market function - 4 to 5 hours in late evenings so whats the issue. Its not a day long market where the lane/roads is blocked. I think these should be raised. I very much doubt that any one would have made complaint against these essential market.
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>  I am not sure if these have already been addressd the Police guys.  If not then I think a letter should be sent to them.
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>  Best regards,
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>  Sudha
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Awaiting for your reply,

With regards,
your sincerely

Comdt Rakesh 

[P. Jayaram]

I am one of those who is vehemently opposed to these vegetable markets. My crib is not about the vegetable vendors, rather residents who go to these markets and park their vehicles with no concern for other road users. Some park right at a junction or in front of the gate of a nearby society. If you tell them to park elsewhere, the response is "I'll take only a few minutes." It cannot be our case that since these markets are there only for 4-5 hours in the evenings let those who live in nearby societies suffer a little so that others can have fresh vegetables.
 
I think we shuld be pressing the authorities to designate vacant grounds for these markets. After all, there are many open grounds in Dwarka which are easily accessible.
Cheers!
Jayaram  

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