Re: 刘因全狂批孙中山等于政治自杀

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洪為兵[SDP]

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Nov 15, 2011, 2:22:03 AM11/15/11
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刘路 <liulu...@gmail.com> 於 2011年11月15日上午3:42 寫道:

 刘因全狂批孙中山等于政治自杀

 

老路不认为孙中山不能批判,数年前老路的朋友王怡先生发表长文批判孙中山是“乱臣贼子”,老路就没有觉得不妥。盖因王怡是公共知识分子,以独立人士的身份在学术讨论中提出自己的意见,可以视作一种观点,无伤大雅。但是作为中国社会民主党(西翼)主要领导人(该党称其为主持人,好像该党是一台晚会节目)的刘因全先生,也拾别人牙慧,狂骂孙中山,这就让老路感到荒唐可笑了。

首先,孙中山不是圣人,不是上帝,作为近代革命的先行者,肯定有很多毛病,这是时代的局限所致。刘因全先生以近乎圣人的标准去攻击一个革命先行者好色、揽权、卖国,岂不荒唐?况且,即使圣人孔老夫子,难道就没有好色(子见南子)、揽权(杀害少正卯)、卖国(周游列国十几年,推行他的那套仁政,谁用他就给谁干,心怀天下,何曾独独关心过他的祖国鲁国?)的问题么?对待历史人物要从历史宏阔视界看待,不能拿着放大镜找毛病。老路相信,就是闭花羞月的大美女,你要拿个显微镜看她,也只能发现她满脸蠕动的细菌。

其次,孙中山首倡革命,推翻专制帝制,创建亚洲第一个人民共和国,其历史功绩彪炳千秋,无人可以比拟,连中共都不得不借他的大旗,偷卖自己的私货,而不敢公开炫耀专制独裁。正是由于他的五权宪法,奠定了进入台湾的宪政基础,这一切怎么可以一笔抹杀?特别是他首创的三民主义,其中民权、民生的主张,跟社会民主主义理念具有高度重合。刘因全先生作为社会民主党人,作为一个追求社会民主主义理念的政党领袖,却攻击首创三民主义的孙中山(他的搭档陈泱潮甚至公开攻击三民主义和五权宪法),这不等于在否定自己的政治理想么?不是在自掘祖坟么?

再次,刘因全先生攻击孙中山的动机殊为可笑,他自己亲口说,由于某次出访台湾,台湾拖了好久不给他签证,所以怒上心头,转而攻击孙中山,因为孙中山是中华民国国父!子孙对不起老刘,老刘就骂祖先,这跟任性使气的孩子有什么两样?

老路听说中国社会民主党分成东西两翼之后,西翼社民党尊刘因全先生为党主,号称“主持人”,准备于明年召开的社民党三大上登记成为党主席,老路哑然失笑,连连摇头。因为江湖上提到刘因全先生,首先想到的是参与张宏宝遗产大战的中功总部秘书长,是神神叨叨轮回转世的李广、洪仁轩和吴佩孚等风云人物,唯独不会想到他会是伟大的中国社会民主主义事业的继承人。莫非胸怀经世伟略、欲为三党(正义、民主、社民)教父的王希哲先生,身怀惊世奇才、壮志谋国的草庵居士,到头来居然会辅佐这等人物来建立不世之功?

刘因全先生辱骂孙中山,让老路想起杜甫的讥刺一些三流诗人攻击初唐四杰的一首诗:

 

王杨卢骆当时体,

轻薄为文哂未休。

尔曹身与名俱灭,

不废江河万古流。

 


洪為兵[SDP]

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shifangjin <sh...@live.com> 於 2011年11月15日下午9:53 寫道:

 

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