[Renoise 2.8
Julieann Rohde
IMHO having that reverse-sidechaing-with-automation-push-in-to-vst3-bus-master-sender-mixer will not help any musician to create the next billboard hit. Neither breaking down the initial barrier. Why not focus in bringing the Renoise to the mass? You can do that without losing your identify, but some adjustments are necessary. I think Renoise is technically superior to many DAWs, it may just need some new perspectives from outsiders.
My friend Renoise is like any other new software you encounter,it does not adopt to you ,you must adopt to it and spend some time to learn it.You spend one week with Renoise, thats clearly not enough time to develop a workflow and feel comfortable.I advise you to spend more time on it and soon things will make sense.I am using Renoise for 3 years now and i dont have a clue about hexadecimal but my tracks come out ok,you dont need a calculator to use Renoise.
1.there is no reason for renoise to rely on the hexadecimal numeral system (anymore).
2.renoise should be more accessible for less advanced users.
3. make renoise more appealing to more people.
4. make adjustments to renoise in order to increase its popularity
Why not focus in bringing the Renoise to the mass? You can do that without losing your identify, but some adjustments are necessary. I think Renoise is technically superior to many DAWs, it may just need some new perspectives from outsiders.
There is shortcomings in certain areas. But. Other DAWs have shortcomings too. Like working with samples. Renoise can do things other DAWs only can dream about. However, they can overcome their shortcomings with Redux. But then again. I guess the learning curve of Redux might be steep, for a user that is not already familiar with trackers.
I would NOT like to see Renoise change the way it works. It would defeat the purpose of the whole software suite. However. New functionality is always welcome. And then you can either choose to embrace it, or ignore it and go on with your day.
Take Logic Pro as an example. The pianoroll have always been the editor window. However. Some of their userbase have asked for other ways to edit. And now, it also features a built in step sequencer. Per said userbase request.
Theres a lot of videos by the renoise team explaining how to use effects, commands, and other features in a dnb track. But not much about how to use it to create sounds like flutes and trumpets and drums.
Im not new to a tracker and calling after Pianoroll too. I startet tracking on Amiga500. First Noisetracker with song format, later Protracker with mod format. That not the reason why i call for it. The reason is, that entering accords in renoise is much more efficient and easier with it for users that not own a physical midikeyboard. Ecspecially for complex accords.5. or 7. notes same time. And only because there would a pianoroll in, nobody is forced to use it. if you more prefer to hacking in the accords over trackcolumns, nobody will prevent you.
I am all for enticing new people into the world of Trackers but Hex is an integral part.
Personally I think the pattern matrix is where a completely new concept could be introduced that would help both beginners and advanced users.
Try a liverecording with pc keyboard then you will know whats meaned! Editing afterwards is not the problem. But the recording turns into a mess, and the repairing correcting after recording cost more time as to hacking in all by hand. Maybe you like manual hacking, sure you can write complete song only with hacking, but its not senseful on this part. And for me it limits my creativity too. often while replay and hear my composition i have and quick idea for additional melodypart and want to record it quickly to the playing song. And the best and most effective way for such workflow would be recording into a pianoroll, then correcting fixing play and recording errors with mouse and drag&drop and then overtake the corrected accords in the Pattern Trackcolumns. that would be effective and intuitive.
Naturally we can force every user to buy a midikeyboard for such usecase, but i would prefer a extention of the program. This and editable (moving/streching abilitys similar to the sampleslices) for audio recording tracks and Renoise would be pretty perfect i think.
The only downside in renoise midi routing system is that a midi plugin can only control one instrument .
Architect can control as many instruments as you like , but not in renoise , I have to load a new instance if I want to control a new instrument
I asked for this feature since the release of the midi routing way back
Think about it like this: what kind of dumb idea is it not to play with a turntable? I mean, you have a needle and the record can spin around.
But then you see a skilled person pick it up and you realize that it was you who had a limited imagination.
But please, show my limited imagination how exactly two tracks can be mixed within Renoise like the OP asked, are you actually suggesting that the OP creates an instrument for every single song he wants to DJ with ?
My average DJing set of an hour will have upwards of forty songs not including cuts or sample drops, yeah maybe i am a bit more extreme a DJ because i am a turnbtablist, but come on, create an instrument for each song, then play it while cueing up, oh wait yeah you cant cue up in Renoise, well you could, but it would be the biggest massive ball ache in the history of ball aches, but maybe clicking on a waveform or dropping a needle is a bigger ball ache to you.
Problem here is not Bungle having a limited imagination, it is Bungle pointing out the facts, if you want to DJ (keeping in mind that the op asked about DJing, Mixing two tracks and messing with cue points) then use software that is designed for DJing, limited imagination or not, living in reality is actually quite handy sometimes.
Use a hammer to hit a nail and a screw driver to drive a screw, you could do it the other way round, and when you smash your thumb and gash your wrist, go speak to danoise and he will imagine a way for Renoise to work as a bandage too !!
By the way, if there was a DJ tracker other than the Amiga one i posted, i would have posted that, the truth is that it is ridiculously unique and also has little interest, so will never be ported to any other platform.
With 8 tracks, it is quite a big effort to setup a whole live set (took me a lot of days); it also requires a lot of training. But it works quite good. However I recommend to have 4 tracks per song, much easier to maintain.
Traktor is partially dead right now, very little development going on anywhere at NI, NI are more of a samplepack/content provider and all their development has been to push that agenda going forward.
Maschine got updated to v2 a long time ago, it became basically a huge browser for NI supplied content, and is now only getting updates after 5 years because there was so much noise from its users, but even these updates are crap that nobody asked for or even wants, expansions still sell real well so it will stay on the market with crappy updates to give the impression of support.
Reaktor gets updated every few years because it is NIs foundation product, it is used in house for development, pretty much all of their new releases of synths and effects are done in Reaktor, its cheaper than actual native development and gives the impression that NI are still in the game of developing synths/effects.
Traktor will be getting less and less updates unless something mad happens, they tried pushing Sample packs for use in the Remix Decks, nobody was really interested, they tried pushing content via stems, nobody was really interested, so unless they can find another way to shift samplepacks/content, then expect few updates of Traktor.
One thing to all my experiences above, although I already played some live sets but with my mates from group, but they already had their gear set up and ready to go, but Im quite new to messing with external synths with renoise, so please forgive my lack of knowledge and I may be doing simple mistakes that is obvious for you more experienced ones.
i hate windows and would rather run renoise in linux. can someone be kind to please help me configure this on my laptop. also please spare me the linux technicalities like how and why the certain terminal codes work the way they do. i could learn that later. i just want to start making music.
if you are not up to figuring out how to fix this yourself, you could, as kazakore suggested, try Ubuntu Studio or AV Linux, which are both more focused on doing linux audio, and might give you what you want right out of the box.
recently read about alsa dmix (i think), which allows alsa to have multiple signals. what i hate about my current setup is that only one piece of software can play audio at the same time, and that was the reason i installed jack. seems that is not necessary.
Unwanted glitch: terminated. Worked like a charm. Initially I set the period buffer to 3. It worked for some of the demo songs but one made a minor hiccup. Set it again at 6 and it now plays smoothly! Aaaallright.
and then something like midi output of course so you can layer redux with another vsti and use the same sequence / phrase (very powerful together with DAWs with advanced routing like Reaper, Tracktion, Mulab or Studio One V3).
having to load up/rewire renoise to do such a thing is unrealistic and missing the point, the point is you have just stumbled upon a killer combo of samples you are playing back via midi keyboard, the basis for a great hook or beat etc, and you want the guts of that to be inputted into the tracker/phrase so you can then edit and mangle it with all the redux/tracker toys. its win win.
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