Dk Children 39;s Encyclopedia The Book That Explains Everything
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The ultimate illustrated children's encyclopedia full of information and amazing images on over 250 key topics arranged from A to Z. This is the book that explains everything for kids aged 7 to 9. Packed with thousands of incredible and essential facts on favourite - and KS2 - subjects, DK Children's Encyclopedia covers nine different colour coded subject areas: art, people, history, earth, nature, science, technology, space and human body. Arranged alphabetically, every page in this children's encyclopedia is packed with fun facts and amazing photographs. Your child can dive straight in working from the front to the back or jump to a page that catches their eye to discover all about our wonderful world. If they are not sure where to go next, the 'See also' boxes will suggest related topics.
This lets children make links across topics and subject areas and create their own journey through DK Children's Encyclopedia . There are also comprehensive content and index pages and a glossary which lists of some of the more difficult words with an explanation. While the reference section contains useful lists, diagrams and tables, including a map of the world and lists of great artists, scientists and writers. Finally there are 'The Story of...' pages which bring together information about different subjects to get children thinking about things from lots of different angles. Inspiring and informative, the DK Children's Encyclopedia is a classic encyclopedia and a book of wonder that will absorb and engage children for many hours.
I used to be a bit more active around here, but got bored of the constant warring over the points system and the process on the whole and went to do something more productive, like writing more FAs. :-) I've had one TFA (not requested... Raul just randomly popped by my talk page saying he'd put it up and asking for chocolate), and haven't made a request here before.
I know we have LOTS of hurricane featured articles, but do we really need to put all of them on the home page? There are so many interesting featured articles in subjects that we haven't beaten to death, that I don't see why we have to have a hurricane on the home page every month. Kaldari (talk) 00:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Complaints from users about topics that users perceive have repetitively appeared on Main Page are common on Talk:Main Page. Both Raul's own efforts and our scoring system prevent these from being more than perceptions. Both Raul and our scoring favour articles from topics under-represented at Main Page, and both penalise ones that have recency in appearing there. I've seen this charge thrown, without real truth, at articles about British royalty, cricket, football, "science" (science!), popular music, roads and now hurricanes. And anyone considering that it's easy to get any kind of article to FA is welcome to add to the numbers patrolling WP:FAC, giving article nominators an appropriately hard time. As well as being a typically pernickety FAC reviewer, I've been to FAC as a nominator on more than a couple of occasions, and it's not like shooting fish in a barrel. (in case you didn't notice, there are five "show"s to click in that link; it's 71K in size.) --Dweller (talk) 12:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The current rule states: Requestor has not previously had an article appear as Today's featured article and is a significant contributor of the article. 1 point. It has been stated in a comment on a request that an article should get this point even if someone else requests it. So do we want to change the rule to allow this? Halgin (talk) 23:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
1. I don't disagree with eliminating "notable", as it is a frequent source of contention and there was no consensus on a method to nail down the definition. But it might be worth discussing whether to keep the "core" and "vital" points. Notable and diversity were important goals of this page, but we may have to leave that to Raul, so points can be by tighter definitions.
2. Agree with belonging to same FA category (again, disagree in principle, but this is another issue of frequent discussion, so best to make it something concrete rather than leave it to community consensus), but disagree with lower time frames.
All else remains the same, this could solve the disputes that occur over points, but it leaves the community with less of a "voice" in determining consensus, by making points cut and dried; since I reluctantly concur that appears to be the only way to resolve the recurring issues and gaming of points that occur, I think it's a good proposal overall. I think it can be enacted as soon as there's a reasonable consensus. In summary, the only things I disagree with are the lower time frames on similar articles run, and I suggest three days discussion rather than four. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
If this proposal is implemented, what I suggest (others may have better ideas than me) are to list the top five articles, complete with blurb workup. They would also appear in the "points box". A list of other articles could appear at the bottom of the page, without blurb, just article name, proposed date, number of points, and promotion date (an article demoted and repromoted would have its most recent promotion date). Most discussion would take place here on talk page, reducing clutter. We could list either in order of points, or in date order, either I think would work fine. This would provide a clear and transparent process, easy for users to understand, and with little room for debate. That reduces Sandy's fear of gaming, and the concerns of users who have come to this page and said this is an incomprehensible, insider process.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Wehwalt, just a thought. Look at what is making it on the page, and look at the pending template ... a strong date connection on an older article almost always does the trick, which preferences bios and other article types that have built-in dates. Something to think about in terms of losing the notability point, which may be the only chance some more "educational" articles have. I sure wish we could make that "included in a children's encyclopedia" idea work. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
How about this. I can access my local library from home via the internet. I can search online their catalog of books in the children's portion of the library. The issue is whether a 12-yo would write a school report on the topic. This is where children go to research school projects. As an example, I get the following number of books in our children's library when searching on:
Is this idea working? If there are children's books written on the topic, then children can research the topic for a school report. All the editor has to do to justify the point is to produce, say, three to five children's books on the topic, and that could include a full encyclopedic entry (TOC, not index). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm curious about the whole 12 year old thing anyway. How did that come to be how we decide how fundamental (a word I'd prefer to notable, as everything in WP should be notable) a topic is? --Dweller (talk) 11:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Howdy! I've been considering nominating noitulovE for the October 3 slot, but I'd like a quick clarification on how how it would fall under the "Main page representation" criteria. As an advertisement, noitulovE appeared in both cinemas and in homes, so should it be classed as similar to films, television programmes, both, or neither?
If individual advertisements are distinct from other publications in the same medium, then by my reckoning, the article would have four points (date, contributor history, and two for no similar article, as no other article on an advertisement in any medium has yet been shown on the Main Page) If noitulovE is classed as a television programne, then it should be listed as having -1, 0, or 2 points depending on whether an article on a television programme is scheduled for September.
I'm too lazy busy to refresh my memory why we plumped for this period, but it seems to me that a simple solution to premature nominations clogging up slots for long periods would be... to reduce the number from 30 days. I don't have a figure in mind, but we could do 25 days? 3 weeks? 20 days? 15 days? 2 weeks? Anyone? --Dweller (talk) 15:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
A Proposal: A new section called something like social relevance with two options: 1-is the article topic likely to be featured in the media at a national level that day? (+1). 2- Is the article topic likely to be featured in the media at an international level that day. (+2)(A way to prove it would be to demonstrate it appeared the year before). With such criteria very relevant topics due to date, which are likely to be searched over internet that day will get more points as is the case of 11-S flight or Alzheimer's.--Garrondo (talk) 14:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
As I have stated at User_talk:SandyGeorgia#WP:TFAR, I would like to nominate Augustus. I am not sure what is on the bubble especially given the above section that is going to replace what is currently considered to be on the bubble. Its points are 1 for age, 1 for timing, 2 for importance, ? for main page relevance.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
We need a safe rule, to give guidance on when an article should not be replaced by an article with a higher point total. Something like if the number of supports plus three times the point total exceeds the sum of 25 plus the number of oppositions the article is in a safe range for articles with dates later than it or more than 10 days in the future. For closer dates and dates earlier than the contested article the number could be 30.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
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