2 Questions - NYC Formation and forced fold-in and Stagecoach token

[Jimmy Okolica]

We played a game of 18NY this weekend and were not sure on this point. When the 18NY forms, are all minors that are connected to it and whose presidents have sufficient cash REQUIRED to merge into the NYC or is it there option until after the next set of ORs. The wording in the first and second paragraph of the 0.99 rules makes this unclear.

If a minor company acquires the stagecoach private and Albany is upgraded to green, is that company able to use that token like a company token or does it only function as a blocking token until it's exchanged for a share company's token?

[cro...@rochester.rr.com]

My understanding is that only the 1 and 2 are obligated to fold in on the first round, the rest can wait one more set of ORs.

However, if they do so, they may lose out on the chance to convert to shares of the NYC (since they might well sell out in the intervening SR) and will get only cash value returned to the owner.

This might be a useful strategy, since if you're not exchanging for shares, the payment for the minors comes from the bank, rather than the NYC.

A similar question that came up during our last playtest: Pierre has clarified that he intended to allow stock sales by Presidents during Emergency Train Buying, but he has not specified that he intended (as most games do) to disallow sales that would change the presidency of the operating company. Explicit clarification on this point is welcomed.

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[Pierre LeBoeuf]

Jimmy,

Thanks for trying my game. As Chris pointed out, only minor 1 & 2 must fold into the NYC at the first opportunity. I'll have to check my wording on the NYC formation to clarify it. I have not said anything about using stock sales to transfer company ownership, but it was my intent to not allow it (as is the custom in most games).

The stagecoach token is meant to behave just like a regular (extra) token, so, for instance if the #6 minor acquires the Stagecoach private, it can place the token in Albany if it has been upgraded to green. Once it does so, it can run trains either from Buffalo or Albany. Note that owning the token does not automatically allow you to upgrade Albany to green, you must have a legal connection to do the upgrade (though it is unnecessary for the token placement itself).

Pierre LeBoeuf

[cro...@rochester.rr.com]

Thanks for clarifying that, Pierre.

The rules do seem to make some assumptions about "how 18xx games are usually played" that are more explicitly laid out in most rulebooks, but that seems to be the biggest one.

A question; how have things worked out with the NYC in other groups' games? I've seen it extraordinarily powerful in some early plays, but in more recent games it seems to have been a bit of a poison pill. It ends up with very little cash and usually forms before permanent trains are available, so the president usually ends up having to buy a 4H and either a 12H or a Diesel.

[Mike Britton]

G'day,

I just received 18NY and in looking it over and soloing the first little bit, found a question:

On Monday, April 29, 2013 at 10:42:44 PM UTC-4, Pierre LeBoeuf wrote:

The stagecoach token is meant to behave just like a regular (extra) token, so, for instance if the #6 minor acquires the Stagecoach private, it can place the token in Albany if it has been upgraded to green.  Once it does so, it can run trains either from Buffalo or Albany.  Note that owning the token does not automatically allow you to upgrade Albany to green, you must have a legal connection to do the upgrade (though it is unnecessary for the token placement itself).

Can the Stagecoach Token be placed before Albany is upgraded to green, effectively blocking formation of the minor, or must it wait for the tile to be upgraded to green so that there is a second (reserved) space for the token?

Thanks, and best regards,

Mike B.

[Pierre LeBoeuf]

Mike,

Thank you for acquiring 18NY.  My intent in the rules is that the stagecoach token has a reserved space in Albany, but only when it is upgraded to green.  An owning company does not also automatically get to upgrade Albany if it isn't legally able to do so without owning the Stagecoach private.  The Stagecoach private does not get to reserve a space in Albany when it is still yellow.

When the private is owned by a share company, the Stagecoach token is an extra token until the first 5DE train is purchased, at which point, the Stagecoach token must be traded for an available token of the share company.

Pierre LeBoeuf

[Chris Shaffer]

*Must* be, or *may* be? 99% of the time, it will be, but there are scenarios where the president may want to decline the token, or where the company has already placed all available tokens.

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[Pierre LeBoeuf]

You are correct, may be is correct.  There are situations where a RR (like the Hudson River Line, for example), has 2 better locations to put stations in than Albany.

[Mike Britton]

On Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:37:04 UTC-5, Pierre LeBoeuf wrote:

Thank you for acquiring 18NY.  My intent in the rules is that the stagecoach token has a reserved space in Albany, but only when it is upgraded to green.  An owning company does not also automatically get to upgrade Albany if it isn't legally able to do so without owning the Stagecoach private.  The Stagecoach private does not get to reserve a space in Albany when it is still yellow.
When the private is owned by a share company, the Stagecoach token is an extra token until the first 5DE train is purchased, at which point, the Stagecoach token must be traded for an available token of the share company.

I understand you as saying that the Stagecoach private cannot do anything until after Albany is upgraded to green, which is what I'd expect. Thanks!