Re: Please send some DSTs

[Alito Siqueira]

Dear all,
Pardon my anxiety.
Please note that DSTs distributed thus far are personal productions of persons and we have permission to use them for educational purposes in the class. We cannot distribute them to students or put them in the public domain / youtube .

We need the consent of the persons to load it on youtube.

I myself am getting cold feet about asking for permission from the students as I feel their rights and privacy might be violated as some of them have made personal stories which also make references to others who may be identified.

Please think this through and come up with a some way of ensuring this. I am willing to talk to the students to seek their consent in a more robust format. But if some are not to be put on the public domain how do we ensure it after distributing if freely to all those who ask?

Please advise,
alito

On 9 July 2014 22:31, Vividh Pawaskar <vividhp...@gmail.com> wrote:

If DST cannot be uploaded on FBgroup...upload it on You Tube and send the link...

On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Alito Siqueira <alito.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually Shailaja is one of the best person to help you with downloading ahd she has a tech degree too.

My suggestion is to use google drive or drop box, But perhaps Vividh or the others are better placed to adivse you.

regards,
alito

On 9 July 2014 07:22, augusto pinto <pint...@gmail.com> wrote:

I tried downloading and sending to BComGameChangers a DST. Unfortunately it bounced with the message"The message you are sending is too large.  All messages must be less than 8.00 MBytes"

Can anyone please figure how to get round this and send some nice sample DSTs to either this or the FB gamechangers.

Alito, Salil, Vividh... are you listening? 

(BTW a misogynist asked why it is that only men can be expected to respond to such appeals? :)

Regards

Augusto

[Isabel Santa Rita Vas]

Hi Alito

Shown in the class seems fine, to be used as a sort of illustration. But if we distribute them to one and all, it does seem to me a kind of disrespect, specially when/if they are rather personal. It may even deter present students from doing something truthful, perhaps? Pardon me, just my view.

Isabel

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[Salil Konkar]

Just what I was thinking, Isabel. If we don't handle this properly, it might scare students off from telling their true stories, even the ones in Alito's Sociology class. 

Salil.

[Gasper D'souza]

I agree. DSTs may be used in a classroom for the viewing of other students committed to also making their own. May not be prudent to put them online or even distributed freely where there's no control of what happens to it or who views it.

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[augusto pinto]

Dear Alito who says:

"Please note that DSTs distributed thus far are personal productions of persons and we have permission to use them for educational purposes in the class."

I disagree very strongly with you. I am of the opinion that those who have offered their DSTs to us have done it very generously hoping that their DSTs will help others; and yet they have also done it with the knowledge that if they try to keep their DSTs which had put in a great amount of effort to make, hidden from the world, it will be soon forgotten just as many others which have hitherto been made have been. By denying access to students it is insulting the DST makers. (Remember, I reemphasize that we are talking of those DSTmakers who have already given permission for their DSTs to be used for educational purposes - the words 'in the class' are additions by others, please note)

It's bad enough that the teachers are not too well trained and are struggling for confidence with a new medium; with the horrible infrastructure; and the students in overcrowded classrooms adding to the misery. Bringing flimsy obstructions of a legalistic nature at this nascent stage is terribly frustrating and demoralising.

Try coming to our college (and ours is one of the places where an LCD is installed in each class mind you) and you will see our plight. Even with speakers the quality of the experience is awful. It has struck me that unless one has state of the art projection and audio equipment, DSTs will never compare with a theatre viewing experience.

Hence seeing the DST (especially if one wants to analyse how it is made), is best done on a PC at home or if with an LCD then it should be projected for a very intimate audience (unless of course one can come up with a Jay Joshi or Pamela D'Mello or Priya Naik kind of effort where the sound quality is pretty good.

Therefore I intend sending it to students as I believe those who have given permission are actually quite happy to help others with their work. But before I do that I am copying this to Priya, Pamela and Jay so in case there is any objection within a couple of days I will abide by that. Otherwise I will be posting it to them. If they have no objection then those who wish can upload it on You Tube as well.

Best regards,

Augusto

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Alito Siqueira <alito.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,
Pardon my anxiety.
Please note that DSTs distributed thus far are personal productions of persons and we have permission to use them for educational purposes in the class. We cannot distribute them to students or put them in the public domain / youtube .

We need the consent of the persons to load it on youtube.

... 

[Vividh Pawaskar]

Those who have made DSTs perhaps wanted a sort of catharsis (whatever it
means)...if this was the case they have achieved their purpose and perhaps
do not want their DSTs to be viewed at all by others. I would not want to
disturb their personal world. This would be like asking me to share my sex
clips (just joking...)

Those who wished to reach to a wider audience could and should have
uploaded their DSTs on You Tube and other platforms. If so, we could ask
them for the links.

There are many DSTs available on the net. And I have downloaded some to
suit my purpose.

How about sharing the DSTs we attempted at the workshop? If we have a
problem in doing so then it would be wrong to ask others...

I wonder how many of us created MORE DSTs after the workshop?

How about a basic question: Why create DSTs at all?

[augusto pinto]

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Vividh Pawaskar <vividhp...@gmail.com> wrote:

Those who have made DSTs perhaps wanted a sort of catharsis (whatever it
means)...if this was the case they have achieved their purpose and perhaps
do not want their DSTs to be viewed at all by others. I would not want to
disturb their personal world. This would be like asking me to share my sex
clips (just joking...)

Those who wished to reach to a wider audience could and should have
uploaded their DSTs on You Tube and other platforms. If so, we could ask
them for the links.

Dear Vividh,

What you say above is spot on. 

Who is the 'WE' who should ask them for the links (AND DO OTHER JOBS) is however a problem. I am ready and willing, and I can rely on you too. (What you have done on the FILES page of the Goa BCom GameChangers page of Facebook is very very good.) I really wish others would volunteer as readily because then work which is shared becomes easier. We did have a meeting at Dempo College in the holidays but the momentum that we gained there has not been maintained, and everyone is working on their own and nobody knows what is happening. Could this be revived? Vividh please try and get those who you can to form a team to help coordinate sharing our competences. I will try too...   

There are many DSTs available on the net. And I have downloaded some to
suit my purpose.

I tried doing this and found that many of the foreign ones are not very suitable,  The accents they speak are weird, and the historical contexts of others are not easy to understand.. The ones which Alito and Salil have shared are much more easy to relate to but ... never mind.

How about sharing the DSTs we attempted at the workshop? If we have a
problem in doing so then it would be wrong to ask others... 

I wonder how many of us created MORE DSTs after the workshop?

That'is a great idea!! However I'm afraid I have to put my hands up here being the duffer who had not completed the task, or followed it up. I am going to do this somehow... 

Other teachers should be more confident about answering this than I.  

How about a basic question: Why create DSTs at all?

There are answers around... I personally believe that if the students can create a DST on their own they will become more confident communicators than if they have not...

Remember, this was a question which we were supposed to answer as part of the 'flipped class' at the workshop but somehow it never happened. What is a 'flipped class' anyway? :-)

To conclude, I'm glad you've kept this conversation going Vividh. Otherwise what has happened with the Semester I & II syllabus may be repeated here. (That is to say, those who were uncomfortable with parts of the syllabus or even the Entire syllabus simply did not teach it at all! AND NOBODY WAS THE WISER. ;)

Augusto