Re: drinking-water-pakistan - 2 new messages in 2 topics - abridged

[A. Khurshid Bhatti]

Dear all

Safe drinking water issue will not be solved till their is unique and innovative solution for all rural and urban areas
at present safe drinking filters available in the market is expensive and needs to put or change elements after every three months
it is not possible in rural areas. regarding the tablets. the tablets also problem in rural areas
1. one its not easily available and 2. second it has some smell

the only option is sustainable, innovative and cheap and locally available "NADI FILTER" the safe drinking Nadi filter unit is promoted in about 2,400 families in lower Sindh and find useful to save rural poor families from Gastero and Diheria cases
while it is biological tests conducted in Delequa kit provided by Oxfam GB and the results useful in rural areas about 92 to 98% means the water is safe and clean
so please  find attached posters and plz contact is needs more information

we are looking to promote such model on mass sclae in rural areas of Pakistan

With best wishes

A. Khurshid Bhatti
President /CEO
Association for Humanitarian Development
House # 09/C, Block-A, Unit. No. 6,
Latifabad Hyderabad
Ph: +92-22-3860880, 2933236
Cell: 0333-2661682
E-mail: ahd...@yahoo.com

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Safe Water and Sanitation, Way Forward - 1 new
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Dear Farhad. Sorry for being late to response you on the topic of Household
treatment technology. actually i was at hom could not access to internet,
that's why i am responsing a bit latter. Dear Farhad! i have been a part in
the implementation process of this kind of innovative initiatives in chitral
since 2004. to be honest - Fri, May 22 2009 10:08 pm
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SAFE DRINKING WATER IS A PROBLEM. WHY WE DO NOT DONATE SAFE WATER DRINKING
TABLETS IN THE URUAL AREAS. I AM CONFIDENT THAT IT CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM B.
SHAH - Mon, May 25 2009 9:49 pm
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[errum javed]

Dear Khurshid Bhatti sb

my address is

04  main nazimudeen rd f-8/1 

Islamabad

 

thanx

errum javed shah

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[Kenneth Shakeel]

Dear All

 

It is true that filters I the market are not appropriate for the rural area because of unavailability of parts and elements and electric power.

 

Slow sand water filter is the ultimate solution to this problem. This filter operates at extreme temperatures.

 

No maintenance required. 

 

Regards

 

Kenneth Shakeel

Community Link Programme ( CLIP)

Islamabad

0345-5123791

[Muhammad Jhangir]

You may like to have a look at the Biosand Filters.
That is a well researched slow sand filter.
Have a good trainging set up.
does not need electricty.
Have trainers too.

http://www.cawst.org/index.php?id=128

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[Khurshid]

Dear M. Jahangir
Thanks for your sharing CAWST model
But AHD model is appropriate and no need material such cemented pipes
etc
the Bio-Sand NADI filter is made by Nadi (Mud made pot) is being for
the storing drinking water in rural areas all over Pakistan it is
price is very very low such as 500 to 1,000 Rs. only and life is more
than 5 to 10 years or more till you can care and maintian Nadi pot.
It is not slow sand filter, you can get 1 gallon water within a 15
minutes and for one family drinking water for 8 to 12 families can be
filtered within 1 hour.
The Sand NADI filter is amazing and working 100% to remove the
dangerous fecal coli forms.

I have go through the CAWST model that is not useful to promote as
compare to the Nadi filter unit
Nadi filter unit is innovation made in Sindh Pakistan and it is great
honor for us to promote such model
we promoted CAWST model in Gharo district Thatta and we did not
satisfied but Nadi filter water no take more time of the rural
families within 1 hours they can filter drinking water daily and use
all the day safe and clean
Hope to hear from you all, means to promote Nadi filter on mass scale

with best regards, A. Khurshid Bhatti, President, AHD Hyderabad
0333-2661682, E-mail; ahd...@yahoo.com, ahd...@gmail.com,

[Shams Ali Baig]

Dear All.

Very fruitful discussion for both Nadi and Biosand filter. As being a
student of Water and Sanitation i am really getting important
knowledge regarding this treatment technology at household level. As
far as my knowledge and experience regarding these innovative
technologies are concerned, the prople living in mountanous areas of
pakistan prefer the biosad filter as because of its sustainability to
tough climates.

Some of you have said that it remove all the coliform or e coli but i
can challenge you that if it romove more than 90% of the pathogens
from water. there are several reasons behind it, which i will discuss
when suitable time will comes. I have in contact all the pioneers of
this technology from Canada, Asia and Africa.

Now i my MS Research work i have selected a topic that how i can
improve the efficiency of this treatment technology, for which i am
planing to use different media to filter water. very soon it will be
avialable at COMSATS University Abbottabad with all specification and
details.

Shams Ali Baig
MS (Sustainable Water Sanitation Health and Development)
COMSATS University Abbottabad

[Haider]

Dear Mr. Khushid Bhatti

AOA

You are doing a great job and personally I appreciate you and your
struggle for this cause. I am working on safe drinking water in the
rural area of District Rawalpindi, Punjab. Water for children project
is working to provide clean drinking water tools and equipment in the
government schools and for this we are using electric tools as
filters.

Now I am pleased to listen that you people are providing local made
tools for clean water and I am requesting you to send me some usefull
infomation in this context.

We the member of organization will focus to implement this idea in our
local rural area, If it is usefull.
waiting for your positive reply.

Best Wishes

Syed Semab Haider
Chairman
Shah Muqeem Trust (Water For Children Project)
semab....@gmail.com
0092-51-3571075 Office
0092-300-5099003 Cell

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> > Dear Farhad. Sorry for being late to response you on the topic of Household
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> > that's why i am responsing a bit latter. Dear Farhad! i have been a part in
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[samue...@yahoo.com]

Dear network members, dear Mr. Khurshid

Thank you for your input and the information on the NADI filter. I am
glad to hear that you have been promoting this system in Sindh
Province since we last exchanged e-mails, and that 2400 families are
now using it to decrease the pathogen levels in their water. I am sure
that this technology has many strengths in terms of its local design,
durability etc., and therefore has a potential for scaling up in
Pakistan.

I do not agree, however, with the conclusion that NADI filters are
“the only option” or “the ultimate solution” to achieve safe water
consumption. In the last decade of promoting household water treatment
and safe storage, it has become evident that there is no “silver
bullet” technology that can be easily disseminated to achieve total
coverage and sustainable application in any country. Much rather, we
should expect that different systems/technologies are suitable for
different segments of the population differing in income status,
cultural preferences, access to specific products etc. Websites such
as http://www.akvo.org/wiki/index.php/Portal:Water or
http://www.cawst.org/index.php?id=119 offer an overview of different
methods for household water treatment. You will find that different
systems vary in their efficiency in removing pathogens (biosand/NADI
filters are not among the most effective systems, but they also
achieve substantial reductions for different pathogen types), and in
other aspects regarding costs (up front and running costs), labor
inputs for operation and maintenance, robustness for different
qualities of raw water, protection of treated water from re-
contamination etc..

In my opinion, the most promising strategy is to promote different
technologies for household water treatment side by side in order to
give users a choice to select the most appropriate technology for
themselves. Even technologies that will be adopted and sustainably
applied by only 10% of the population are worth promoting, if these
10% could not afford or would not want to apply any of the other
available technologies and would consume raw water instead.

The Community Action Program CAP has been promoting solar water
disinfection (SODIS, www.sodis.ch) in Pakistan for several years,
mainly in districts around Faisalabad. Solar water disinfection
(SODIS) makes use of ultra-violet radiation in sunlight to inactivate
pathogens, and requires no resources other than ordinary glass or PET
bottles as well as sunlight. SODIS promotion has resulted in
considerable user levels in the target areas. I do not claim that
solar disinfection should or will be the technology of choice for each
and every household in Pakistan, and - as for any other method for
household water treatment - there are challenges in terms of the
dissemination of SODIS (e.g. the supply of a sufficient number of
bottles in remote areas, or the fact that the regular application of
SODIS essentially requires a behavior change - comparable to hand
washing - and therefore depends on the quality and intensity of
promotion campaigns). Still, considering the very low cost of this
technology for the users, and the positive results from pilot
projects, SODIS should be in the mix of technologies promoted in
Pakistan at larger scale. Others methods may include chlorine
additives: solution or tablets, pot filters, ceramic filters, biosand
filters, NADI filter, other new types of filters (e.g. Siphon filter:
http://www.nulpuntenergie.net/water/folder1.pdf), integrated treatment
units for more wealthy households (such as the Pureit system:
http://www.pureitwater.com), and boiling.

I’m not suggesting that every NGO should promote all possible methods
for household water treatment simultaneously, and efforts such as NADI
filter promotion through AHD are highly appreciated to find out more
about strengths and limitations of different systems. However, I think
we should be careful with statements that one technology is superior
to all the others, as every method has its advantages and
disadvantages, and every technology may have its place and be ideal
for specific segments of the population.

In this sense, let us join forces and aim at rapidly achieving safe
water consumption in every family in Pakistan by disseminating the
knowledge of the multitude of household water treatment options!


Samuel Luzi, Ph.D.
Eawag
Water and Sanitation in Developing Countries (Sandec)
Ueberlandstrasse 133
8600 Duebendorf
Telefon +41 (0)44 823 54 98
samue...@eawag.ch
www.sodis.ch; www.sandec.ch; www.eawag.ch

Community Action Program
Shahid Mahmood
cap...@brain.net.pk
Office: 0092 41 878 13 77
Mobile: 0092 333 650 4532

On May 28, 10:35 am, Haider <semab_hai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Khushid Bhatti
>
> AOA
>
> You are doing a great job and personally I appreciate you and your
> struggle for this cause. I am working on safe drinking water in the
> rural area of District Rawalpindi, Punjab. Water for children project
> is working to provide clean drinking water tools and equipment in the
> government schools and for this we are using electric tools as
> filters.
>
> Now I am pleased to listen that you people are providing local made
> tools for clean water and I am requesting you to send me some usefull
> infomation in this context.
>
> We the member of organization will focus to implement this idea in our
> local rural area, If it is usefull.
> waiting for your positive reply.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Syed Semab Haider
> Chairman
> Shah Muqeem Trust (Water For Children Project)

> semab.hai...@gmail.com

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[Khurshid]

Samuel Luzi, Ph.D.
Eawag
Water and Sanitation in Developing Countries (Sandec)
Ueberlandstrasse 133
8600 Duebendorf
Telefon +41 (0)44 823 54 98

samuel.l...@eawag.ch

Thanks for your detail email to show that the Nadi filter is not
appropriate but i let you know that the slow sand filters fail to
clean the 100% virus while we experiments and find useful Nadi filter
to remove 100% faecal coli forms and viruses.

Nadi is one time activity which provide safe and clean drinking on
life time
but if someone want to work for one family many time than it is
possible
AHD concern is to provide sustainable solutions to the community where
poor communities pay less and get more benefits
any how you are welcome to visit our office and our communities and
see their record of children health after using Nadi filter water
we at AHD believe on the result from the poor communities not from the
reports of activities
we are busy in relief activities but we welcome you please come to our
office and see the response of communities and the Nadi filter
performance

if you find more about Nadi filter please tell, we will send you
details

with best wishes

A. Khurshid Bhatti
President
AHD Hyderabad
Ph: +92-22-3860880
Cell: +92-333-2661682
we are working on Nadi filter

On Jun 7, 11:22 am, samuell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Dear network members, dear Mr. Khurshid
>
> Thank you for your input and the information on the NADI filter. I am
> glad to hear that you have been promoting this system in Sindh
> Province since we last exchanged e-mails, and that 2400 families are
> now using it to decrease the pathogen levels in their water. I am sure
> that this technology has many strengths in terms of its local design,
> durability etc., and therefore has a potential for scaling up in
> Pakistan.
>
> I do not agree, however, with the conclusion that NADI filters are
> “the only option” or “the ultimate solution” to achieve safe water
> consumption. In the last decade of promoting household water treatment
> and safe storage, it has become evident that there is no “silver
> bullet” technology that can be easily disseminated to achieve total
> coverage and sustainable application in any country. Much rather, we
> should expect that different systems/technologies are suitable for
> different segments of the population differing in income status,
> cultural preferences, access to specific products etc. Websites such

> ashttp://www.akvo.org/wiki/index.php/Portal:Waterorhttp://www.cawst.org/index.php?id=119offer an overview of different

> methods for household water treatment. You will find that different
> systems vary in their efficiency in removing pathogens (biosand/NADI
> filters are not among the most effective systems, but they also
> achieve substantial reductions for different pathogen types), and in
> other aspects regarding costs (up front and running costs), labor
> inputs for operation and maintenance, robustness for different
> qualities of raw water, protection of treated water from re-
> contamination etc..
>
> In my opinion, the most promising strategy is to promote different
> technologies for household water treatment side by side in order to
> give users a choice to select the most appropriate technology for
> themselves. Even technologies that will be adopted and sustainably
> applied by only 10% of the population are worth promoting, if these
> 10% could not afford or would not want to apply any of the other
> available technologies and would consume raw water instead.
>
> The Community Action Program CAP has been promoting solar water

> disinfection (SODIS,www.sodis.ch) in Pakistan for several years,

> samuel.l...@eawag.chwww.sodis.ch;www.sandec.ch;www.eawag.ch